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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-27-07 04:24 PM
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53. At that time, that was the way it went --- but today it is different ---
that's why the 2nd Amendment is not so much anything but "archaic" --- !!

Re Supreme Court --- that's too much of an embarrassment throughout the world to be thought anything
but corrupt ....

From the disgusting rulings they've made on Capital punishment to the criminality of their
Bush vote --- not to mention Clarence Thomas' perversions --- and Scalia's insane religous
thinking --- and now two more GOP right-wing crazies . . .

No -- I don't think we'll get anything but "duck hunting rulings" and pro-NRA rulings from these
people.

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  -Russ Feingold and Right to Bear Arms --- 2nd Amendment defendandprotect  Dec-27-07 12:06 AM   #0 
  - I absolutely agree with that interpretation...  Mythsaje   Dec-27-07 12:20 AM   #1 
  - Then why didn't they simply say: "The right of the people to ...  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 12:30 AM   #3 
     - Because...  ingac70   Dec-27-07 12:32 AM   #4 
     - You just converted your point to one of COLLECTIVE rights ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 12:34 AM   #9 
     - See post 11. n/t.  ingac70   Dec-27-07 12:52 AM   #12 
     - That's not a response to COLLECTIVE rights . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:01 AM   #13 
     - Currently, "the militia" is all males between 17 and 45 years old  krispos42   Dec-27-07 03:24 AM   #28 
     - Yes sir!  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 12:39 AM   #11 
        - So only someone between the ages of 17 and 45 can have a gun -- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:04 AM   #14 
           - .....  ingac70   Dec-27-07 01:39 AM   #24 
           - Actually No...  Popol Vuh   Dec-27-07 03:40 PM   #48 
              - Excellent post!!  virginia mountainman   Dec-29-07 12:19 PM   #105 
     - The Collective Rights theory demands exclusivity, the Standard Model does not.  hansberrym   Dec-28-07 05:10 PM   #99 
  - Proud to claim Russ Feingold as my own  sjdnb   Dec-27-07 12:23 AM   #2 
  - Think Feingold has shown some real courage ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 12:33 AM   #6 
     - I think he's pretty solid on guns  maximusveritas   Dec-27-07 12:35 AM   #10 
        - Well, he's voted for gun-control measures . . . that seems sane!  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:09 AM   #18 
        - Voting for gun-control measures in and of itself does not indicate sanity  krispos42   Dec-27-07 03:32 AM   #29 
        - Two reasons people in Wisconsin trust Feingold  undeterred   Dec-27-07 01:28 PM   #34 
        - That's good enough for me  alarimer   Dec-29-07 10:27 PM   #109 
  - We need more like him..  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 12:32 AM   #5 
  - I'm hoping he'll endorse a candidate in the primaries  maximusveritas   Dec-27-07 12:33 AM   #7 
  - I doubt he will be endorsing Hillary --- !!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:09 AM   #19 
  - Its a slow process but we're getting correct on the 2nd.  aikoaiko   Dec-27-07 12:33 AM   #8 
  - Not likely . . . if that's what they intended, they would not have included MILITIA ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:05 AM   #16 
     - They intended individuals to keep and bear arms so that people could come together if neccesary  aikoaiko   Dec-27-07 01:21 AM   #20 
        - If INDIVIDUALS have the right to keep and bear arms . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:36 AM   #22 
           - The 2nd doesn't limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia, but it is A reason...  aikoaiko   Dec-27-07 01:52 AM   #26 
           - Maybe you could also correlate those states to gun injuries/fatalities  Toots   Dec-27-07 08:20 AM   #32 
           - If not limited to Militia, then why mention it --- ?  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:44 PM   #36 
              - because self-defense of yourself and community is of primary importance to many  aikoaiko   Dec-27-07 03:02 PM   #43 
                 - Rather confused rendering . . . however, when you argue "Militia" you are arguing  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 03:26 PM   #46 
                    - But citizens needed to be armed, individually, in order for the militia to exist.  aikoaiko   Dec-27-07 03:31 PM   #47 
                       - At that time, that was the way it went --- but today it is different ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 04:24 PM   #53 
                          - Ok this will be my last post in this thread because I think we're mostly done making our points  aikoaiko   Dec-28-07 12:45 PM   #97 
           - try this  Two Americas   Dec-27-07 02:27 AM   #27 
              - I really like that  spin   Dec-27-07 02:17 PM   #38 
              - Or how about this:  joe_sixpack   Dec-28-07 05:55 PM   #100 
              - Only in these times of Monsanto would Founders have thought of that one--!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 02:30 PM   #40 
                 - thanks for the response  Two Americas   Dec-27-07 04:41 PM   #55 
                    - Your post is very thoughtful, but I wonder what can be done about the very real  CTyankee   Dec-28-07 08:20 AM   #87 
  - Tricky since ...  BearSquirrel2   Dec-27-07 01:05 AM   #15 
  - Well, we've had a return to "Wild West America" . . . who does that benefit  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:07 AM   #17 
     - A return?  ingac70   Dec-27-07 01:35 AM   #21 
     - No -- it hasn't . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:38 AM   #23 
        - No amount of manufacturing standards...  ingac70   Dec-27-07 01:47 AM   #25 
        - Guns are manufactured safely.  krispos42   Dec-27-07 03:42 AM   #30 
           - How about safety locks to keep kids from killing themselves . . . ?  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 01:05 PM   #33 
              - It happens occasionally  krispos42   Dec-27-07 01:39 PM   #35 
                 - Since we have something called "human error" . . . the logical thing to do is to put locks on guns.  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 02:33 PM   #41 
                 - Yea, let the women have there own gun!  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 05:27 PM   #57 
                 - And they are on there  krispos42   Dec-28-07 02:41 AM   #81 
                 - Sad but true that you don't need a gun to kill an infant which is why your point  CTyankee   Dec-28-07 08:25 AM   #89 
     - The "wild west" was actually the "mild west".  spin   Dec-27-07 02:12 PM   #37 
        - We don't need Hollywood to explain gun violence to us --- it's on our streets ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 03:22 PM   #45 
           - I live in Florida,  spin   Dec-27-07 08:40 PM   #66 
              - Yes, I'm aware that Florida has "concealed" weapons . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 10:12 PM   #71 
              - An idea I've had for years  spin   Dec-28-07 10:01 AM   #91 
              - All but two states allow licensed individuals to carry a gun for lawful purposes...  benEzra   Dec-28-07 10:10 AM   #92 
  - the problem here, D&P, is that...  krispos42   Dec-27-07 03:59 AM   #31 
  - dupe  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 04:07 PM   #49 
  - I am not arguing in any way for the 2nd Amendment. . . it is archaic ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 04:15 PM   #50 
  - what about the 4th and the 5th?  Two Americas   Dec-27-07 07:21 PM   #61 
  - You are offering two points which make no sense . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 08:48 PM   #69 
     - no  Two Americas   Dec-27-07 10:32 PM   #74 
        - ? ? ?  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 10:56 PM   #77 
  - That Guardian article is very stupid.  krispos42   Dec-28-07 02:28 AM   #80 
  - not so  Two Americas   Dec-27-07 07:08 PM   #60 
  - Anyone who has spent so much as an hour looking up the relevant history would agree  ThomWV   Dec-27-07 02:28 PM   #39 
  - What is some of that history --- enlighten us --  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 04:17 PM   #51 
     - For starters one might look at how the right to keep and bear arms  hansberrym   Dec-27-07 08:42 PM   #67 
     - Therefore, there has ALWAYS been disagreement on what this amendment means --- right???  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 09:51 PM   #70 
        - There was also agreement - it was seen as an individual right  hansberrym   Dec-28-07 12:20 AM   #79 
        - Your final point is excellent. I am no Constitutional authority but it seems to me  CTyankee   Dec-28-07 08:42 AM   #90 
     - Try Google  ThomWV   Dec-28-07 07:55 AM   #83 
  - An Obama/Feingold ticket would be excellent.  Alexander   Dec-27-07 02:38 PM   #42 
  - No..  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 03:14 PM   #44 
     - Good for him--! Evidently he doesn't think that every citizen needs a semi-automatic ....  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 04:18 PM   #52 
        - Too bad..  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 04:46 PM   #56 
           - A HUGE NUMBER of voters want repeating weapons . . . ???  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 08:28 PM   #62 
              - Rather, police offers are for gun control ---  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 08:30 PM   #63 
              - So many straw-men, so little time  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 11:00 PM   #78 
              - Yes police are for gun control  Thothmes   Dec-28-07 07:30 AM   #82 
              - Want???  virginia mountainman   Dec-27-07 10:55 PM   #76 
  - The earliest courts found it more than an "interesting premise"...  hansberrym   Dec-27-07 04:35 PM   #54 
  - Basically, everyone can have a repeating automatic weapon?  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 08:32 PM   #64 
     - Strawmen are easier targets than Feingold's thesis.  hansberrym   Dec-27-07 08:46 PM   #68 
     - So you're for gun-control -- ???  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 10:14 PM   #72 
     - A "repeating automatic weapon"?  spin   Dec-27-07 10:21 PM   #73 
     - This is what you said ---  defendandprotect   Dec-28-07 10:22 AM   #93 
        - "Semi auto" weapons are common  spin   Dec-28-07 02:45 PM   #98 
        - The only way Bush got into the White House was a STEAL --  defendandprotect   Dec-29-07 12:20 AM   #101 
           - I also agree with you on many points,  spin   Dec-29-07 03:27 PM   #106 
              - We share nightmares . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-29-07 10:04 PM   #108 
        - D&P....  krispos42   Dec-29-07 10:52 AM   #104 
     - The Constitution was not written to insure your version of society  ThomWV   Dec-28-07 07:57 AM   #84 
        - The "Wild West" had a version of society . . . which required gun control --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-28-07 10:23 AM   #94 
  - feingold is CORRECT...again.  QuestionAll   Dec-27-07 05:37 PM   #58 
  - Feingold is wrong in his premise . . . and any one else's premise that believes  defendandprotect   Dec-27-07 08:34 PM   #65 
     - Not true at all and clearly you do not understand the basic nature of tyrany  ThomWV   Dec-28-07 07:58 AM   #86 
     - They seem to be doing a hell of a job of it in Iraq.  Wcross   Dec-28-07 08:24 AM   #88 
  - Don't give up your guns ...  avenger64   Dec-27-07 06:39 PM   #59 
  - Gonna throw it out there that the 2nd amendment says nothing about the right to sell arms  Hippo_Tron   Dec-27-07 10:38 PM   #75 
  - Actually it would be much simpler to use legislation to give a definition to "Arms"  ThomWV   Dec-28-07 07:58 AM   #85 
  - Works for me --- let's extend that to all nations, as well---!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-28-07 10:25 AM   #95 
  - Ideas like that make me more glad than ever that I own a milling machine  slackmaster   Dec-28-07 10:31 AM   #96 
  - No more effective than banning the sale of pot, cocaine, and heroin...  benEzra   Dec-29-07 09:40 AM   #102 
  - What specifically causes you to reject Feingold's premise ?  hansberrym   Dec-29-07 10:26 AM   #103 
  - Russ Feingold for President!  Swamp Rat   Dec-29-07 03:32 PM   #107 
 

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