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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-29-07 11:14 AM
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119. he explained "misbehaving" and it wasn't for simply breaking a rule you have for your kitty
that he used the term "misbehaving" when it was clear at the start and explicitly clear in later posts that it was when you are confronted with a cat that whether meaning harm or not, presented a serious or potentially serious danger to you --and what you should do in that situation.

flvegan you are absolutely being unfair to the poster because you are using his word which he used artfully but certainly explained then and subsequently what was meant as if he was advocating beating an animal for scratching the furniture.

you should stop and try another argument. in a situation of self-defense if your position is that you should not do something to stop/prevent the injury to yourself if it means violent force against the animal, then state that opinion, but you won't do that, but you are arguing against a poster who is saying, "hey, that's how you handle it". yet when asked you won't simply say, "yeah, don't harm the animal even in that instance" or pretending not to know that dawg was talking about when confronted with injurious force by a large, wild animal.

like i said, you aren't making a fair argument because you are projecting an opinion on the person you are arguing against that that poster did not make nor intend (i'm not reading his mind, he explained himself).

play fair flvegan.
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  -I used to work with large cats (Lions) and I really have to wonder Dawggie  Dec-26-07 04:26 PM   #0 
  - A sad affair all around. An innocent guest at the zoo cafe gets mauled to death  truedelphi   Dec-26-07 04:27 PM   #1 
  - It is a tragic affair and it's one that didn't need to happen.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 04:29 PM   #2 
  - very sad  judaspriestess   Dec-26-07 04:29 PM   #3 
  - I don't know a thing about big cats  goodgd_yall   Dec-26-07 04:30 PM   #4 
  - I was lucky, I only once had a cat "go wild" on me and that was entirely my fault.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 04:38 PM   #7 
  - this is now being investigated as a crime scene  pitohui   Dec-26-07 04:31 PM   #5 
  - Well, it for sure is a homicide-by a tiger.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 04:36 PM   #6 
  - Homicide by...tiger?  iconoclastic cat   Dec-26-07 04:40 PM   #8 
  - I just meant, the tiger killed the guy. That much is known.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 04:42 PM   #10 
  - Well, downthread the word is that a human set the tiger loose  iconoclastic cat   Dec-26-07 04:54 PM   #21 
  - i found the link  pitohui   Dec-26-07 04:45 PM   #12 
     - Latest reports  MonkeyFunk   Dec-26-07 04:55 PM   #23 
  - the tiger would have had to leap higher than any tiger has been to known to be able to do  pitohui   Dec-26-07 04:41 PM   #9 
     - I don't know. Some of these tiger experts were on tv saying  lizzy   Dec-26-07 04:45 PM   #11 
        - our wall in nola is about that high and none of the tigers have ever leapt out  pitohui   Dec-26-07 04:47 PM   #16 
        - Hah? They already ID the guy. He was 17 years old.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 05:06 PM   #25 
           - um i just believed what the coroner said in the above news reports  pitohui   Dec-26-07 05:44 PM   #39 
              - Oh he's got family.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 10:14 PM   #106 
        - That would be my guess. I don't know how many times in CA  truedelphi   Dec-26-07 04:52 PM   #20 
  - I'm hoping it wasn't a deliberate action in that someone opened access  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 04:49 PM   #17 
  - I Get The Feeling  Crisco   Dec-26-07 04:50 PM   #19 
  - I have an active imagination  MS Liberal   Dec-26-07 04:46 PM   #13 
  - They were saying on MSNBC that all the guys knew each other  malaise   Dec-26-07 04:49 PM   #18 
  - Murder?  snailly   Dec-26-07 09:03 PM   #74 
  - I imagine whoever opened the door would have been most  lizzy   Dec-26-07 05:12 PM   #29 
  - This is such a tragic story.  cat_girl25   Dec-26-07 04:46 PM   #14 
  - If you ever do, find the biggest 2x4 you can and knock the shit out of it.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 04:54 PM   #22 
     - Thanks for advocating animal abuse.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 07:51 PM   #52 
     - Pray tell, is this practice why you're no longer caring for big cats?  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 08:28 PM   #60 
     - Check downthread.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:35 PM   #64 
     - Good god, I wish I were.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:40 PM   #65 
        - Good god, I'm glad you're not.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:45 PM   #67 
        - Which is why captivity is a bad idea.  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 08:45 PM   #68 
     - Lol! You've never worked with big cats. If you had, you'd already have  Lorien   Dec-29-07 09:18 AM   #117 
  - Is anyone on this thread from SF area?  PeaceNikki   Dec-26-07 04:47 PM   #15 
  - BEST local TV in the Bay Area is KTVU dot com nt  fed-up   Dec-26-07 08:54 PM   #71 
  - my nephew had zoo volunteer training....  grasswire   Dec-26-07 05:06 PM   #24 
  - That sure doesn't sound very safe or smart.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 05:09 PM   #27 
  - Here's some interesting information of recommended Tiger enclosures  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 05:12 PM   #28 
  - Boys were taunting tiger  Uben   Dec-26-07 05:09 PM   #26 
  - Because if they taunted the tiger  sleebarker   Dec-26-07 05:22 PM   #34 
  - When I go to the zoo, I expect the tigers and lions to stay in their  lizzy   Dec-26-07 05:43 PM   #38 
  - When we go to the zoo,  MrsMatt   Dec-26-07 06:42 PM   #47 
  - Well don't act like an ass and taunt them  classicfilmfan   Dec-26-07 09:29 PM   #86 
  - Doesn't this kind of thing happen at least once a year?  classicfilmfan   Dec-26-07 06:01 PM   #43 
     - I hope you realize that it's a complete speculation that  lizzy   Dec-26-07 07:37 PM   #50 
        - Read post 26  classicfilmfan   Dec-26-07 09:28 PM   #84 
  - It's relevant  LWolf   Dec-26-07 05:40 PM   #37 
  - They weren't "boys"--the news report says "men" since they were 19 and 23 years old.  paxmusa   Dec-26-07 05:50 PM   #40 
  - silly! Don't you know the rules? If they shot someone, they'd be men.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 05:56 PM   #42 
  - The one that was killed was 17.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 07:49 PM   #51 
  - When I heard the story, my first assumption was that some idiot  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-26-07 06:44 PM   #48 
  - know what's so sad?  CatWoman   Dec-26-07 05:14 PM   #30 
  - The tiger has been killed yesterday.  lizzy   Dec-26-07 05:16 PM   #31 
  - Sadly, it has been destroyed already.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 05:16 PM   #32 
  - Of course police should have just given it some milk and cookies,  lizzy   Dec-26-07 05:19 PM   #33 
     - It's hard to say, not knowing the keeper, but the only folks I have ever  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 05:27 PM   #35 
     - Jesus Christ- the tiger was doing what tigers do for fuck's sake  Beaverhausen   Dec-26-07 05:52 PM   #41 
     - I agree, tigers are not good zoo/show animals.  uppityperson   Dec-26-07 06:50 PM   #49 
     - Killing something that is  Raine   Dec-26-07 08:07 PM   #54 
  - This thread has brought back some of my best memories.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 05:38 PM   #36 
     - A Georgia politician has a lion refuge?  OzarkDem   Dec-26-07 06:10 PM   #44 
        - Might have been Max Cleland -- I can see him running an actual refuge.  seawolf   Dec-26-07 06:32 PM   #46 
        - This was back in the seventies...  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:07 PM   #53 
  - dawggie, i'm getting really jealous of your experiences!  maxsolomon   Dec-26-07 06:21 PM   #45 
  - I'd give my left nut just to wrestle with Hutch one more time.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:09 PM   #55 
     - Why wrestle when a 2x4 is so convenient.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:22 PM   #56 
        - Ummmm... if you have a cat attacking you?  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:24 PM   #57 
        - "when a lion misbehaves"  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:25 PM   #58 
           - And I'll stand by that.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:31 PM   #61 
              - So then smashing an animal with a 2x4 is cool with you?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:33 PM   #63 
                 - Personally, I never have (hit an animal with a 2x4).  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:43 PM   #66 
                 - When are you going to define "misbehaving" Dawggie?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:47 PM   #69 
                    - Biting.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:01 PM   #73 
                       - A lion biting?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:04 PM   #75 
                          - WTF's you problem?  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:07 PM   #77 
                             - Stop advocating animal abuse, and I'm gone.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:09 PM   #79 
                                - Okay, you have a 300 pound cat charging you with hunger in its eyes... Whatya gonna do?  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:20 PM   #82 
                                - Why is that cat charging me?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:22 PM   #83 
                                   - You smell like food?  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:30 PM   #87 
                                      - But it's an acceptable training method, yes, at least in your circle?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:33 PM   #88 
                                         - No, you idgit! It's a method of defense!  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:35 PM   #89 
                                         - Oh, do go on.  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 09:41 PM   #91 
                                         - Sorry, what would you suggest against an attacking lion?  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 10:12 PM   #104 
                                         - Defense?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:42 PM   #92 
                                         - this was stated i dunno how many times upthread?  CreekDog   Dec-29-07 11:19 AM   #121 
                                         - he didn't say it was a training method  CreekDog   Dec-29-07 11:18 AM   #120 
                                - he explained "misbehaving" and it wasn't for simply breaking a rule you have for your kitty  CreekDog   Dec-29-07 11:14 AM   #119 
                 - I think he's saying if you are about to get killed or seriously injured  CreekDog   Dec-29-07 11:05 AM   #118 
        - I'm not bullshitting man.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:27 PM   #59 
           - You advocated smashing an animal with a 2x4 for "misbehaving"  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:31 PM   #62 
              - Look, I've let Macaws gnaw on my arm to show them I'm their equal.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 08:52 PM   #70 
                 - You have yet to define "misbehaving" which begets a slam with a 2x4.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:59 PM   #72 
                    - Actually, I have. Biting.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:05 PM   #76 
                       - How does APHIS feel about the 2x4 training method, eh?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:07 PM   #78 
                          - Dear Moronica...  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:17 PM   #80 
                             - Post #22, your words  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:19 PM   #81 
                                - "Misbehaving" Essentially refers to ATTACKING or chowing down  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:28 PM   #85 
                                   - Seems that mortally wounding someone is more than "misbehaving"  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:40 PM   #90 
                                      - Okay, you want a pissing contest? Post your receipt from your most recent ASPCA donation  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:46 PM   #93 
                                         - Oh. My. Gawd.  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 09:47 PM   #94 
                                         - LOL! Really!  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:48 PM   #95 
                                         - You have no, idea.  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 09:49 PM   #96 
                                            - I don't think so....  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:51 PM   #98 
                                               - You're right, I don't. But I know flvegan pretty well, and you just busted out the "I care more  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 10:14 PM   #105 
                                               - Now tell me what kind of experience you have with non-indigenous animals  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 10:23 PM   #108 
                                               - *spoken to a vegan*  flvegan   Dec-26-07 10:25 PM   #109 
                                               - Oh, I thought this was about writing checks to (domesticated) animal welfare groups.  LeftyMom   Dec-26-07 10:34 PM   #112 
                                               - I promise, if htere is a hungry bear or large cat coming after you with food in mind...  Dawggie   Dec-27-07 12:04 AM   #113 
                                               - I have the good sense not to imprison or otherwise fuck with one.  LeftyMom   Dec-27-07 12:39 AM   #116 
                                               - it's not illegal if you are defending yourself from an attack  CreekDog   Dec-29-07 01:15 PM   #124 
                                               - How cute.  Dawggie   Dec-27-07 12:23 AM   #115 
                                         - i need a refill, with extra butter this time  CreekDog   Dec-29-07 11:24 AM   #122 
                                         - Are you serious?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:50 PM   #97 
                                            - You betcha. this is something that's important to me.  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:52 PM   #99 
                                               - So, in addition to a pissing contest, you really don't know what APHIS is?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:53 PM   #100 
                                                  - National Animal Health Monitoring System?  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 09:57 PM   #101 
                                                  - So then your answer is "no" you have no clue as to what APHIS is  flvegan   Dec-26-07 09:59 PM   #102 
                                                  - OTOH, it's my bedtime at the moment and I've been down with pneumonia  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 10:02 PM   #103 
                                                     - I'm sorry for your illness.  flvegan   Dec-26-07 10:17 PM   #107 
                                                     - Hey, search my posts and you wil find that I'm not calling `the pneumonia  Dawggie   Dec-26-07 10:26 PM   #110 
                                                     - And?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 10:31 PM   #111 
                                                     - it bothered me so much I came back.  Dawggie   Dec-27-07 12:11 AM   #114 
  - Surveillance camera still released.  rug   Dec-29-07 11:53 AM   #123 
 

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