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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-25-07 09:51 PM
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69. We, as a society, have a responsibility to make decisions together about
what is in our communal best interests. For too long we've been sold a bill of goods that personal choice is the be-all-and-end-all of a happy life. Some choices we must make together and I believe that a lot of the choices that will be necessary to combat the climate crisis will involve reducing our hyper-consumptive ways. We all - you and I and everyone else - get to make personal decisions as we see fit within the context of a larger social compact. Right now I think we need to challenge each other to think in very dramatic ways about how we are going to accomplish the major changes required of us to address the climate crisis and create a just world. Dr. King said that materialism, racism, and militarism are triplets. We must reduce the materialism to reduce the other horrors.

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  -Wake Up! 99% of gifts will not be in use in 6 months. We must find a better way to love. IndyOp  Dec-25-07 09:44 AM   #0 
  - I watched a show on cspan yesterday where the guest was talking  napi21   Dec-25-07 09:51 AM   #1 
  - I recently saw something that made me laugh out loud,  tavalon   Dec-25-07 10:39 PM   #75 
  - But, corpomerica says buy a gift to show your love,,, so we buy gifts  bluerum   Dec-25-07 09:51 AM   #2 
  - I gave good wine. Let's hope it is gone in six months.  alfredo   Dec-25-07 09:58 AM   #3 
  - A couple could practice making a baby  liberalnurse   Dec-25-07 05:16 PM   #53 
     - They say that wine is proof God loves us.  alfredo   Dec-25-07 07:29 PM   #62 
        - I thought that it was beer, but not that wimpy stuff. motor oil lookin stuff.  bagrman   Dec-26-07 11:54 AM   #90 
           - Corporate beer does nothing for me. Give me some Samuel Smith  alfredo   Dec-26-07 12:03 PM   #91 
  - I hope the gifts I'm giving won't be in use 6 months from  cali   Dec-25-07 10:00 AM   #4 
  - Cal-  asdjrocky   Dec-25-07 02:25 PM   #27 
  - I enjoy wearing clothes that make me look nice  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 10:03 AM   #5 
  - This year some of my family from Europe came to visit...  Sarah Ibarruri   Dec-25-07 10:07 AM   #6 
  - Wow. I just love people who are honest to the point of being blunt.  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 10:16 AM   #11 
  - Christmas gifts are for kids. Corporations invented the adult gift giving and the U.S.  Sarah Ibarruri   Dec-25-07 10:25 AM   #15 
  - Is it any wonder I always see you saying good things about Edwards?  asdjrocky   Dec-25-07 02:27 PM   #28 
  - Some people do need it  sandnsea   Dec-25-07 02:49 PM   #34 
  - well, in 6 months those scarves/sweaters/coats will be out of season. The candy/cookies/fruit eaten  cryingshame   Dec-25-07 10:08 AM   #7 
  - Many consumer goods are meant to be consumed - food, cleaning products  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 10:21 AM   #13 
     - True, but it lasts a long time and so once you get it, you don't need more  treestar   Dec-26-07 12:15 PM   #92 
  - I asked for and received a pair of gloves. The kids? That is a different story.  wake.up.america   Dec-25-07 10:09 AM   #8 
  - unfortunately, our entire culture is based upon consumption  burythehatchet   Dec-25-07 10:11 AM   #9 
  - I agree with you completely. I would say that change our materialistic mindset  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 10:18 AM   #12 
     - There seems to be another, more insidious, aspect of the consumer culture that  burythehatchet   Dec-25-07 11:00 AM   #22 
        - And conforming... always conforming...  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 02:21 PM   #26 
  - I got some recycled plastic cups and ......  Uben   Dec-25-07 10:15 AM   #10 
  - Luxury!  mr_hat   Dec-25-07 10:31 AM   #18 
  - food is the best gift-I used to make food care packages w/all sorts of specialty items  fed-up   Dec-25-07 10:22 AM   #14 
  - Already done at my house  MindPilot   Dec-25-07 10:27 AM   #16 
  - Some of the gifts I give will, some won't  Irishonly   Dec-25-07 10:28 AM   #17 
  - Not the gifts I gave to my husband....  BlackVelvet04   Dec-25-07 10:36 AM   #19 
  - great post! important reminder about Gift Cards...  Whisp   Dec-25-07 10:46 AM   #20 
  - Easy solution: Christmas in July  bananas   Dec-25-07 10:57 AM   #21 
  - I am with you completely in regards to giving away things that I don't  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 03:02 PM   #38 
  - thank you for telling how we should live our lives  comradebillyboy   Dec-25-07 11:07 AM   #23 
  - We, as a society, have a responsibility to make decisions together about  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 09:51 PM   #69 
  - I have noticed the bigger problem is the people who listen and do as they are told  nolabels   Dec-25-07 09:59 PM   #71 
  - I just got a 5.1 surround sound, 650 Watt theater system.  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Dec-25-07 11:08 AM   #24 
  - wanna bet?  burythehatchet   Dec-25-07 02:40 PM   #29 
  - They build them to break down - did you watch "The Story of Stuff"...?  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 03:16 PM   #40 
  - You're not buying the right DVD players.  Touchdown   Dec-25-07 03:32 PM   #44 
  - I refuse to buy a $1000 DVD player, and I spend money on electronics....  ShaneGR   Dec-25-07 05:55 PM   #57 
  - Well my $50 APEX DVD player has lasted for 4 years now  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 03:54 PM   #47 
  - I have a $39 Apex 13" tv... 4 years this month.  Viva_La_Revolution   Dec-25-07 11:42 PM   #82 
  - No offense, but I've had the same 5.1 stereo from Sony for 7 years now....  ShaneGR   Dec-25-07 05:53 PM   #56 
  - It is an Onkyio.  TheFriendlyAnarchist   Dec-25-07 05:58 PM   #58 
     - Cool. My 30 year old Onkyo Receiver/Amp (60 WPC) is still powering my tunes.  burythehatchet   Dec-25-07 06:26 PM   #61 
  - I just threw one out before Xmas... died after two years and completely  JCMach1   Dec-25-07 11:12 PM   #77 
  - christmas is for ignorant suckers  L0oniX   Dec-25-07 11:21 AM   #25 
  - My family actually enjoys the day to spend time with one another.  Lex   Dec-25-07 02:45 PM   #31 
     - Too bad you have to use a lame holiday as the reason to get together with family.  L0oniX   Dec-25-07 04:03 PM   #48 
        - LOL. We get together often. Leap to conclusions much?  Lex   Dec-25-07 04:55 PM   #50 
           - They were.  L0oniX   Dec-25-07 05:05 PM   #51 
              - strange isn't it?  Skittles   Dec-25-07 09:11 PM   #65 
  - Books? Cookies & cakes I baked?  Lex   Dec-25-07 02:43 PM   #30 
  - I am still eager to have books available in a really comfortable electronic format -  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 02:51 PM   #35 
     - I always say "read it and pass it on"  Lex   Dec-25-07 02:53 PM   #36 
     - I do read books and pass them on --  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 03:13 PM   #39 
        - At least unwanted books...  girl gone mad   Dec-26-07 06:45 AM   #84 
           - I teach at a University - textbooks available as eBooks cost less than used hard copies.  IndyOp   Dec-26-07 09:05 AM   #85 
     - Easy - Bleached hemp paper books. I'm not sure e-books are ecologically  John Q. Citizen   Dec-25-07 10:39 PM   #74 
  - It sounds corny, but charitable donation is exactly what I did this year.  superduperfarleft   Dec-25-07 02:47 PM   #32 
  - I enjoy giving and receiving gifts for Christmas.  Akoto   Dec-25-07 02:47 PM   #33 
  - I've enjoyed giving and receiving gifts for Christmas in past, but I am  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 02:55 PM   #37 
     - That's usually not true for me, so I can't really answer. n/t  Akoto   Dec-25-07 03:30 PM   #42 
  - Off point but... Why is the iPod always the Devil of choice in these...  Touchdown   Dec-25-07 03:18 PM   #41 
  - I don't hate the iPod. I am typing this on my iMac, which I love and use  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 03:31 PM   #43 
  - Well, I guess you have a point. Popularity of it and all.  Touchdown   Dec-25-07 03:47 PM   #46 
  - I'm going to take issue with a couple of these  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 04:04 PM   #49 
     - I have an old Super Nintendo in my closet.  Touchdown   Dec-26-07 10:07 AM   #87 
  - Love has nothing to do with it.  Lilith Velkor   Dec-25-07 03:46 PM   #45 
  - That has GOT to be the sickest thing I ever read!  Raksha   Dec-25-07 05:10 PM   #52 
  - think about this a little bit  pitohui   Dec-25-07 05:17 PM   #54 
  - The 99% statistic is from the animation "The Story of Stuff" that is linked in the OP  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 06:13 PM   #59 
  - sorry but i don't click on animated "scripts"  pitohui   Dec-25-07 11:21 PM   #79 
  - how is paul hawken able to pull these numbers out of his ass, when his head is lodged do far up it?  QuestionAll   Dec-26-07 10:07 AM   #86 
  - One more thought -- yes, of course, it is natural for food and cleaning products  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 06:18 PM   #60 
  - When people ask me what to get, I always say artwork, kitchenware, or clothes  ShaneGR   Dec-25-07 05:52 PM   #55 
  - Ours will be used up in six months  spinbaby   Dec-25-07 08:31 PM   #63 
  - People just need to think before they spend  Marrah_G   Dec-25-07 08:41 PM   #64 
  - Think before we spend, yes. Ask others what they need, what they will use...  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 09:38 PM   #67 
  - K & R for Unorthodox Thinking!  CorpGovActivist   Dec-25-07 09:12 PM   #66 
  - K&R - and thanks for the intro to Kiva!  rucky   Dec-25-07 09:43 PM   #68 
  - Thanks Rucky! There is a feature about Kiva on Frontline -  IndyOp   Dec-25-07 09:55 PM   #70 
  - I will use everything I received for Christmas,  lonestarnot   Dec-25-07 10:06 PM   #72 
  - What I love about Corporatist  burrowowl   Dec-25-07 10:31 PM   #73 
  - where do you get the 99% figure from?  QuestionAll   Dec-25-07 10:42 PM   #76 
  - it appears to be pulled out of paul hawken's ass not the OPs  pitohui   Dec-25-07 11:23 PM   #80 
  - My son and I did Heifer International for my mother  Ellen Forradalom   Dec-25-07 11:17 PM   #78 
  - but most of the gifts I got were practical- tool roll-away, painting easel, wind up radio  kineneb   Dec-25-07 11:37 PM   #81 
  - My family and I have always been big into practical gifts  Lorien   Dec-26-07 12:04 AM   #83 
  - I love to buy gifts at Christmas, but I am careful with what I buy  gollygee   Dec-26-07 10:33 AM   #88 
  - I guess it depends on how you spend.  LWolf   Dec-26-07 11:05 AM   #89 
  - I kind of like knowing that the people who make that junk have jobs  Egalitariat   Dec-26-07 12:48 PM   #93 

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