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pathansen Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-23-07 05:34 PM
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219. I don't agree with you cause people need to be aware of these issues
I was not "beating people over the head" but simply listing some important reasons for eating less meat.
And I also feel that it is no longer just a personal choice now that this affects the whole planet. Its directly linked to global warming , climate crisis and there's the added problems of world population explosion. Can we still afford to eat that steak if its at the top of the food chain? Also other issues such as being poisoned by all the toxic additives in meat, etc.
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  -8 Critical Reasons for a Vegetarian Diet pathansen  Dec-23-07 08:26 AM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-23-07 08:32 AM   #1 
  - Why?  sparosnare   Dec-23-07 08:39 AM   #3 
  - I do not raise animals for slaughter..  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:54 AM   #9 
  - All animals die eventually  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:59 PM   #150 
     - just what I said to Grandpa  G_j   Dec-24-07 08:01 PM   #501 
        - Well, you really gotta get'em before they get too old and stringy  jgraz   Dec-24-07 08:50 PM   #506 
  - I actually like your reasoning.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-24-07 11:40 AM   #460 
  - Wow.  Sparkly   Dec-23-07 08:44 AM   #6 
  - meat, eggs, cheese....  Locrian   Dec-23-07 08:51 AM   #8 
  - I agree but the real problem is  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:08 AM   #12 
  - So because you have a financial interest in something  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:10 AM   #14 
  - You maam/ sir need a clue,  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:26 AM   #24 
     - Which doesn't even come close to addressing  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:30 AM   #27 
        - Why thank you being irrellevant makes me feel like true Ried Dem.  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:39 AM   #34 
  - Those types of insults are not well tolerated around here  Lorien   Dec-23-07 11:40 AM   #61 
  - Actually, they are. nt  tofunut   Dec-23-07 01:10 PM   #121 
  - Hooray for Organic Farmers!  crikkett   Dec-23-07 12:03 PM   #71 
  - Cool! What/where do you produce?  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #146 
     - Eggs Veggies Milk for Family and friends  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:40 PM   #292 
  - Sorry, but you're wrong on number 5.  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 08:39 AM   #2 
  - Here is a reference to a scholarly book on the topic of hunting in apes  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 08:56 AM   #10 
  - And apes cooked their kill?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:13 AM   #53 
     - they would if they could.  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 12:06 PM   #75 
     - "Evolving" involves developing an animal-slaughter industry? Which, btw, harms nature?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 07:02 PM   #236 
     - LOTS of things that humans do "harms nature"- shouldn't we then stop ALL of them?  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 08:57 PM   #268 
        - Well, how about we begin with the things that are making us SICK and  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:29 PM   #362 
           - You don't understand how nature works  cyborg_jim   Dec-24-07 06:05 AM   #396 
           - Grain is far less natural than meat  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 07:56 AM   #415 
           - It's the vegetables themselves that destroyed the environment  Kerry4Kerry   Dec-24-07 08:54 AM   #427 
           - building houses harms nature- perhaps we should return to caves?  QuestionAll   Dec-24-07 10:55 AM   #446 
           - How are we destroying our species?  taught_me_patience   Dec-26-07 12:37 PM   #551 
     - They also don't farm their vegetables  Union Label   Dec-23-07 08:39 PM   #258 
     - I eat sushi a lot...  Dorian Gray   Dec-23-07 02:01 PM   #153 
     - Your post made me think of this  OhioBlues   Dec-23-07 03:30 PM   #188 
        - Of course no offense was intended....  Dorian Gray   Dec-23-07 07:37 PM   #238 
           - No the words he sang and the way you said you liked fish  OhioBlues   Dec-24-07 03:54 AM   #387 
           - Please...  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 09:08 AM   #430 
           - I tried to add this but my time was expired  OhioBlues   Dec-24-07 05:44 AM   #393 
              - Oh, don't worry...  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 09:07 AM   #429 
                 - LOL  OhioBlues   Dec-24-07 09:09 AM   #432 
                    - Cheers....  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 11:37 AM   #458 
     - When they evolve the intelligence to master fire, I'm sure they will  NickB79   Dec-23-07 02:01 PM   #154 
     - Yes, uncooked animals have disease and parasites --- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 07:07 PM   #237 
        - and the animals that eat them have immune systems to deal with that...  QuestionAll   Dec-24-07 10:57 AM   #447 
           - The fact that we now suffer so many diseases indicates that our humane systems  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:36 PM   #504 
              - they haven't been damaged- they've evolved.  QuestionAll   Dec-24-07 10:13 PM   #516 
              - So, damage is evolution, eh . . . ?  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 11:19 PM   #518 
                 - you're the one referring to it as damage, not i.  QuestionAll   Dec-25-07 12:04 AM   #520 
                    - You don't consider disease "damage" . . .? Obesity isn't "damage" . . . ?  defendandprotect   Dec-25-07 01:46 PM   #536 
                       - meat eating has been aroumd as long as there have been humans...  QuestionAll   Dec-25-07 01:57 PM   #537 
                          - And. . . you were there --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-25-07 02:11 PM   #538 
                          - obesity is caused by excess carbs, not meat eating  mainer   Dec-26-07 04:42 PM   #557 
              - That should be IMMUNE systems, of course ---  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 11:14 PM   #517 
     - Apes don't use computers either...should we not be posting here?  DuStrange   Dec-23-07 02:08 PM   #159 
     - Well, I didn't comment on cooking at all. I think that is a f*&cking non sequitur  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 04:32 PM   #199 
  - Yes, I was mistaken when I claimed that no other primate eats meat  pathansen   Dec-23-07 01:39 PM   #131 
     - Most intelligent animals are opportunistic carnivores  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:53 PM   #142 
     - Cows, horses, pigs, deer do not eat meat  pathansen   Dec-23-07 04:35 PM   #201 
        - pigs will eat anything...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 05:03 PM   #209 
        - And of that group, which is the most intelligent?  jgraz   Dec-23-07 05:53 PM   #229 
        - The native Americans used to call us the "pig people" because we are pink . . . etc.  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:12 PM   #276 
        - Well . . . "anything" which they might naturally get ahold of in nature ; but only  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:14 PM   #277 
        - Elk have been documented deliberately stomping and eating mice and similar small animals.  dicksteele   Dec-23-07 10:12 PM   #312 
     - Humans, Gorillas, Chimps and Orangs are known to eat meat  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 04:43 PM   #202 
        - I was going to type what you said.  Snarkturian Clone   Dec-23-07 08:12 PM   #245 
  - Don't forget buckwheat groats.  screembloodymurder   Dec-23-07 08:40 AM   #4 
  - Is the book "Diet for a Small Planet" still around?  Sparkly   Dec-23-07 08:41 AM   #5 
  - by Frances Moore Lappé -- right?  Idealist Hippie   Dec-23-07 09:50 AM   #41 
  - There's also Jane Goodall's book "Harvest for hope; a guide for mindful  Lorien   Dec-23-07 12:03 PM   #72 
  - Preparing fields for vegetable farming kills...  Cassandra   Dec-23-07 08:45 AM   #7 
  - Save the moles!!  proud2Blib   Dec-23-07 09:37 AM   #33 
  - Do rabbits glean the fields?  Cassandra   Dec-23-07 09:49 AM   #39 
     - They are all in my backyard  proud2Blib   Dec-23-07 10:00 AM   #45 
     - we have adapted to your puny human machines  flying rabbit   Dec-23-07 01:14 PM   #122 
  - Here's why I've never understood that argument:  tofunut   Dec-23-07 10:19 AM   #47 
  - I was responding to #3 in the OP...  Cassandra   Dec-23-07 10:42 AM   #48 
  - A distinction needn't be drawn.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 12:56 PM   #116 
  - 3 words: grass fed beef  piedmont   Dec-23-07 10:15 PM   #314 
     - The whole world?  tofunut   Dec-23-07 10:34 PM   #325 
  - Preparing fields for corn feed  Madam Mossfern   Dec-23-07 06:01 PM   #234 
  - Well. . . the particular way we are "preparing fields" ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:17 PM   #279 
  - What a load of bullshit  Champion_Jack   Dec-23-07 09:05 AM   #11 
  - almost everything in the OP is true  garybeck   Dec-24-07 01:29 PM   #479 
  - Oh this should be good.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:08 AM   #13 
  - Humans are omnivores.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:15 AM   #17 
  - I rest my case. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:17 AM   #19 
  - See, that's exactly what I mean.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:30 AM   #28 
     - I'm not trying to control anything.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:36 AM   #31 
     - Then why do you act like you have the only way to a  China_cat   Dec-23-07 11:08 AM   #51 
     - I'm pointing out why I think an omnivorous diet is...  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:25 AM   #57 
     - Do you always start off an enlightening discussion with the phrase, "  Joe Fields   Dec-23-07 03:40 PM   #190 
        - Sure, just as much as a first post that reads  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 03:50 PM   #191 
           - I see. So, you follow the crowd then, right?  Joe Fields   Dec-23-07 04:01 PM   #193 
              - Are you channeling Miss Manners?  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 04:10 PM   #195 
                 - something as elegant as "fundie carnivores?" No, sadly, I have  Joe Fields   Dec-23-07 04:34 PM   #200 
                    - Gee, I wondered how long that would take.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:22 PM   #216 
                    - And I'm giving odds and taking bets on how long...  LanternWaste   Dec-26-07 02:51 PM   #554 
     - Oh, please. I've ridden plenty of combines,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 01:50 PM   #137 
     - .  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 01:52 PM   #139 
     - In mid-June, we see huge numbers of wildlife run through the hay baler  NickB79   Dec-23-07 02:08 PM   #158 
     - I've had deer run in front of the combine, but never hit one  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:12 PM   #163 
        - Yeah, it's not like a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie, that's for sure  NickB79   Dec-23-07 02:19 PM   #165 
           - It takes 16 pounds of grain to produce a pound of beef.  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:22 PM   #475 
     - I grew up in PA  China_cat   Dec-24-07 01:15 PM   #473 
     - Well, maybe the combines should go --- and we should stop overpopulating --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:20 PM   #281 
  - They would NEVER use an icky, polluting, fossil-fueled farm MACHINE!!  MindPilot   Dec-23-07 09:29 AM   #26 
  - True, but they'd still have to cut it by sickle.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:33 AM   #29 
     - Congrats!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:36 AM   #32 
  - Well said... and they should all look at FDA regulations on the...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 11:39 AM   #459 
  - You're right. I've never been able to figure out  truth2power   Dec-23-07 12:35 PM   #98 
  - I don't think it's defensiveness. I think it's plain old annoyance.  Marr   Dec-23-07 05:14 PM   #212 
  - No --- there's a unevoked suggestion of "superiority" which animal-eaters feel --  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 08:24 PM   #253 
  - You feel that you're more enlightened, compassionate, and informed- but  Marr   Dec-23-07 09:01 PM   #273 
  - No, you haven't seen any discussion of "superiority" because it's as hidden as the violence ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:25 PM   #284 
  - Please tell me you're not equating war or murder with  Marr   Dec-24-07 12:58 AM   #378 
     - I am suggesting "violence begins with the fork" . . /Ghandi  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:57 PM   #507 
  - I believe that a Mathematics Professor  LanternWaste   Dec-26-07 02:59 PM   #556 
  - "I feel more aware, more informed, more compassionate, more enlightened"  kineta   Dec-24-07 01:01 AM   #379 
  - No, I would disagree that animal-eaters think they are "superior" ---  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:02 PM   #509 
  - Really?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:06 AM   #416 
  - No, It Really Is Annoyance  Crisco   Dec-24-07 05:54 PM   #498 
     - So -- you don't understand the connections between animal-exploitation and  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:11 PM   #511 
  - many holier-than-thou vegans, there's just as many meat-eaters  LanternWaste   Dec-26-07 02:57 PM   #555 
     - I see those as different, not both holier than though, though yes, both uncivil  uppityperson   Dec-26-07 06:39 PM   #560 
  - It's because of the violence involved in animal eating ... which must be denied --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:22 PM   #282 
     - There are Kosher means...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 11:53 AM   #464 
        - yes  druidity33   Dec-24-07 05:35 PM   #497 
        - So . .. if there's no pain then there's no violence --- ??? Are you kidding?  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:16 PM   #512 
           - When every hungry human being on the planet is fed  Juniperx   Dec-26-07 10:30 AM   #548 
              - Evidently you don't understand that animals have to be FED . . . in other words,  defendandprotect   Dec-26-07 12:19 PM   #549 
                 - You are missing the point  Juniperx   Dec-26-07 12:48 PM   #552 
                 - Let's just eat the crops --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-26-07 07:55 PM   #561 
                 - Wrong again, at best too simplistic. Poor resource distribution creates hunger.  uppityperson   Dec-26-07 02:01 PM   #553 
                    - Propaganda works . . ..  defendandprotect   Dec-26-07 07:57 PM   #562 
  - No, see, "fundies" are usually the ones DOING the preaching.  impeachdubya   Dec-24-07 01:13 AM   #381 
  - The "gods" come and go --- however, we have only one planet --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:23 PM   #513 
  - Probably because of the fundie Veggie spreading bullshit  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:02 AM   #401 
  - #8 Soy alternative  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:11 AM   #15 
  - Try "Yves Good Ground"  K8-EEE   Dec-23-07 09:17 PM   #278 
     - I have tried enough, of enough different kinds to know  China_cat   Dec-24-07 05:56 AM   #395 
  - Thanks for posting  Annces   Dec-23-07 09:11 AM   #16 
  - How did Ice Age man survive as vegetarians?  mainer   Dec-23-07 09:15 AM   #18 
  - Humans have, of course, eaten meat for a long time  pathansen   Dec-23-07 04:43 PM   #203 
     - My point is, carnivorous behavior is NATURAL for humans  mainer   Dec-24-07 09:56 AM   #435 
  - What about seafood? Is it ok?  MindPilot   Dec-23-07 09:17 AM   #20 
  - Seafood? I think there are veggies who eat seafood. I don't ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:34 PM   #288 
     - LOL  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:10 AM   #417 
  - To each his own...  Stump   Dec-23-07 09:19 AM   #21 
  - Exactly.... Enjoy and Merry Christmas.  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:34 AM   #30 
  - Would be eating "ham" if you had to slaughter the pig and "process" it --- ????  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:35 PM   #289 
     - Yes. I'd rather raise my own than buy commercial meat.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:29 PM   #323 
     - Probably so...  Stump   Dec-24-07 07:07 AM   #403 
  - Expanding on #1:  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:22 AM   #22 
  - Confessions of an ex-meat eater  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 09:23 AM   #23 
  - Now I have a friend who had exactly the opposite experience  MindPilot   Dec-23-07 09:45 AM   #37 
  - Nutrition is nutrition  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:07 PM   #76 
  - There's good protein from fresh fruits and vegs; and bad protein from animal souces ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:39 PM   #291 
     - According to some studies, soy protien is bad for you.  Kerry4Kerry   Dec-24-07 07:47 AM   #412 
     - Would you do me a favour?  HannibalBarca   Dec-24-07 09:17 AM   #434 
  - I'm halfway between you and post #25  DFW   Dec-24-07 02:37 AM   #385 
  - I'm also a vegetarian due to cholesterol.  JanMichael   Dec-23-07 10:02 AM   #46 
  - It is very disturbing  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:08 PM   #78 
  - and the best cholesterol numbers I ever had in my life  MonkeyFunk   Dec-23-07 01:34 PM   #129 
  - How were your kidney numbers?  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 01:55 PM   #143 
     - No problem at all  MonkeyFunk   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #145 
  - Are you raising the question of whether animal-eating causes . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:44 PM   #295 
     - Hardly. If so I would have been just as much of a jerk as I've seen...  JanMichael   Dec-24-07 09:16 AM   #433 
  - confessions of an ex-vegan - opposite experience.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:01 PM   #340 
  - 25 years ago. I have to give you credit.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:32 PM   #363 
     - Did I say 25 years ago? I lied.  kineta   Dec-24-07 12:39 AM   #375 
  - My anger is for the same reason religious preachies piss me off  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:08 AM   #404 
     - Who is telling you what to eat?  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 11:32 AM   #456 
        - Again your post sounds like someone trying to save me  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 11:47 AM   #462 
           - Then don't click on a post about vegetarianism  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 01:23 PM   #476 
              - I don't have negative reactions to Vegetarians  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 03:30 PM   #489 
                 - Thank you Marrah, I agree. Propaganda posts, no matter what the subject.  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 03:57 PM   #491 
  - #5 is the biggest crock of shite I have ever heard  matcom   Dec-23-07 09:28 AM   #25 
  - Most of the whole list is  alarimer   Dec-23-07 09:49 AM   #38 
  - "there are certain amino acids that are only found in animal protein which are required."  Boojatta   Dec-23-07 11:35 AM   #59 
     - You're going to be waiting a LONG time for that answer.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:02 PM   #70 
  - Nah those are for chomping on that ear of corn, dontcha know?  proud2Blib   Dec-23-07 09:50 AM   #40 
  - But Matt, our teeth are not canine-like. If you look at a dog's mouth  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 09:53 AM   #44 
  - So let me get his straight...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-23-07 09:43 AM   #35 
  - I've always wondered about that too.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 11:13 AM   #54 
  - Many vegans/vegetarians do not eat the super-processed meat analogs.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:29 AM   #58 
  - You might not  China_cat   Dec-23-07 11:38 AM   #60 
     - How is it hypocritical?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:44 AM   #62 
     - "taste wasn't part of the issue"  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 11:55 AM   #64 
     - What the hell does that have to do with what I posted?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:01 PM   #68 
        - everything...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:20 PM   #87 
           - Few? "Long haul"?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:24 PM   #91 
              - Well, "some people say."  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:26 PM   #93 
              - 2006 Harris poll  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:36 PM   #99 
              - it's not all anecdotal. There's a study on this...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:37 PM   #100 
              - "the survey found that only 42% of vegetarians stuck to a diet w/ no red meat, poultry, or fish"...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:34 PM   #96 
                 - So  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:39 PM   #104 
                 - Ex vegetarian here...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 11:48 AM   #463 
                    - My health has improved since giving up meat,  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:17 PM   #474 
                       - You are welcome to your beliefs and your opinions...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 01:38 PM   #483 
     - Why call it bacon?  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:39 PM   #130 
        - Why not call bacon "processed slaughtered pig parts" then?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 02:50 PM   #180 
     - History of seitan:  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:08 PM   #77 
        - It, by itself, isn't called by a MEAT name.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:41 PM   #132 
  - been a vegetarian for going on 31 years  cynthia   Dec-23-07 03:09 PM   #183 
  - Live food? Of course.  China_cat   Dec-24-07 01:02 PM   #467 
  - I find ideas like that disgusting . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:47 PM   #297 
  - Mock duck is made out of wheat. It's also called seitan.  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 01:58 PM   #149 
  - The last thing the pro-vegetarian point of view needs  elocs   Dec-23-07 09:43 AM   #36 
  - This is really humorous consider the aggression coming from the pro-animal-eating side here --- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:01 AM   #49 
  - I don't agree with you cause people need to be aware of these issues  pathansen   Dec-23-07 05:34 PM   #219 
  - Your teeth and your gut make you an omnivore. If your head believes otherwise its wrong.  ThomWV   Dec-23-07 09:52 AM   #42 
  - Tjhat would only be true if you were eating uncooked RAW animals ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:03 AM   #50 
  - it's called evolution- look it up.  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 12:41 PM   #105 
  - I read an interesting book that touched on this.  Marr   Dec-23-07 05:44 PM   #223 
  - I adore steak tartare.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:43 PM   #133 
  - Isn't that raw ground meat?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:48 PM   #299 
     - Simple. You wash it then grind it.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:54 PM   #302 
     - I grind my own.  China_cat   Dec-24-07 05:55 AM   #394 
  - dupe post  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 08:53 AM   #426 
  - No other Herbivore cultivates crops.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 08:55 AM   #428 
  - Lets take a look at that argument.  Lorien   Dec-23-07 11:53 AM   #63 
     - !!  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:58 AM   #65 
     - alrighty: my teeth are pointier than horse teeth...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:01 PM   #69 
     - I'd have to go with the raccoon  foo_bar   Dec-23-07 02:24 PM   #168 
     - We don't have to kill our meat with claws and our teeth.  ileus   Dec-23-07 02:43 PM   #176 
     - But that's what nature has to make you capable of doing in order to proclaim the label --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:51 PM   #300 
     - We replaced those assets with tools through evolution, a natural process  NickB79   Dec-24-07 12:34 AM   #374 
     - "We can't out run any animal faster than a turtle" is slightly misleading...  baby_mouse   Dec-24-07 04:44 AM   #392 
     - I don't understand how people can argue that we aren't omnivores.  Marr   Dec-23-07 05:37 PM   #220 
        - People have eaten snakes and cockroaches when they're starving . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:52 PM   #301 
        - I'd say it proves we're omnivores.  Marr   Dec-24-07 01:10 AM   #380 
        - Honestly?  tofunut   Dec-24-07 09:09 PM   #510 
  - meet your meat !  HuffleClaw   Dec-23-07 09:52 AM   #43 
  - Great need for a thread like this --- though we can see very emotional reactions!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:10 AM   #52 
  - Excellent food for thought.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:14 AM   #55 
  - the dirty little secret of vegetarianism: cheating and backsliding galore!  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 11:15 AM   #56 
  - I know many, many people who dislike the taste of meat  Lorien   Dec-23-07 11:58 AM   #66 
  - I've known people who've claimed a formidable distaste for meat...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:15 PM   #82 
  - You have stats to support this,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:00 PM   #151 
     - don't worry, I'm not about to follow people to see whether they're cheating...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 02:20 PM   #166 
     - I eat at steakhouses when friends aske me to.  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:14 PM   #472 
     - oh, and yeah -- I do have some stats...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 02:23 PM   #167 
     - Why don't vegetarians supply stats for their beliefs  MattSh   Dec-24-07 02:19 AM   #384 
  - I've seen the same  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:16 PM   #83 
  - Bravo Sierra  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:24 AM   #419 
     - Myth  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 10:17 AM   #439 
        - Right the diet humans have been eating for thousands of years is unnatural  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 11:13 AM   #450 
           - Oh I see, so it is natural to pump your body full of animal fat  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 11:22 AM   #452 
           - LOL all or nothing with some people..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 01:06 PM   #468 
              - Bravo  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 01:25 PM   #477 
                 - lol  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 04:25 PM   #492 
           - Once again, soy milk is not a new thing.  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 11:25 AM   #454 
              - Ive got no bones with vegans  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 01:10 PM   #469 
                 - What the hell does that have to do with what I posted?  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 02:49 PM   #488 
                    - Oh pshaw and over react much? Try these sites.  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 03:48 PM   #490 
                    - Um, where did I suggest that soy formula is a good replacement for breast milk?  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 05:15 PM   #496 
                       - Who is claiming/arguing you are a ninfant nutrition expert?  uppityperson   Dec-25-07 08:03 PM   #540 
                    - Ok maybe I missed the context..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 04:27 PM   #493 
                       - No, you gave me an upchuck of a post that was arguing with something I never said.  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 05:11 PM   #495 
  - But by the same token I know kids who have a FIT over eating veggies  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:18 AM   #409 
  - There us no such thing as a true vegitarian. This is why.  Wizard777   Dec-23-07 05:08 PM   #211 
  - It's spelled "vegetarian."  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:44 PM   #222 
  - !!!  flvegan   Dec-23-07 05:46 PM   #225 
  - B12 comes from bacterial action.  LeftyMom   Dec-24-07 11:15 AM   #451 
  - Funny . . . I thought the "dirty little secret" was 17% fecal matter on animal carcasses ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:55 PM   #303 
  - Vegetarians remind me a lot of fundamentalist Christians....they're RIGHT and you're WRONG....  Rowdyboy   Dec-23-07 12:01 PM   #67 
  - So close!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:03 PM   #73 
  - Hitler was a vegan!  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:11 PM   #80 
     - Stalin was an atheist!!!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:12 PM   #81 
     - Oh, yeah, well I'll tell you  TheBorealAvenger   Dec-24-07 11:33 AM   #457 
     - Hitler was a vegetarian.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:22 PM   #88 
     - No he wasn't.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:24 PM   #90 
     - He may have done some backsliding.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:35 PM   #97 
        - Eh. I've heard differently.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:38 PM   #102 
        - Claims meant to portray himself as some kind of ascetic.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 12:39 PM   #103 
           - The funny thing is, and this goes along with the poster above....  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:45 PM   #110 
              - The Right Wing Will Have to Find another Slam against Vegetarians  fascisthunter   Dec-26-07 12:24 PM   #550 
     - Pssst...  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:44 PM   #108 
        - I agree Hitler has no place in the argument.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:47 PM   #112 
     - No he wasn't. this is a common stated myth, or lie,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:03 PM   #155 
        - Oh Jesus Christ!  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 04:15 PM   #197 
           - Sorry, You have no idea how often people really throw that at us.nt  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:13 PM   #470 
              - It's cool  Stuckinthebush   Dec-25-07 12:14 AM   #521 
  - Surely you mean *some* vegetarians, right?  tofunut   Dec-23-07 12:42 PM   #106 
  - Absolutely...half the guests at my last small party were vegetarian.....  Rowdyboy   Dec-23-07 04:10 PM   #196 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-23-07 08:03 PM   #241 
  - That looks like confirmation of my "superiority" observation . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:58 PM   #304 
  - I was married to a food Nazi once. Once.  mwb970   Dec-25-07 07:16 AM   #524 
  - Thats all utter (or udder) bullshit, or a lot of it at any rate.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:05 PM   #74 
  - "I don't care about a pigs feelings, or a chicken, etc"  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:09 PM   #79 
  - I could care less how they are treated.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:17 PM   #84 
  - Stab a pig and a plant with a fork.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:19 PM   #86 
  - Maybe plants show pain in other ways.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:23 PM   #89 
     - And if my grandmother had balls  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:25 PM   #92 
        - I don't care about your grandmothers balls.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:43 PM   #107 
           - Plants have no CNS.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 01:22 PM   #125 
              - Nope.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 01:30 PM   #127 
                 - I put "aware" in quotes for a reason. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 01:48 PM   #135 
  - Plants don't have central nervous systems,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:06 PM   #156 
  - May you get the same in return n/t  Annces   Dec-24-07 06:56 AM   #399 
  - It's the major point which has to be denied . . .violence in animal-eating!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:59 PM   #305 
  - I'll buy meat from you, but not from Hatfield.  GoneOffShore   Dec-23-07 12:50 PM   #114 
     - You mean Smithfield? nt  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:07 PM   #157 
        - Hatfield here in Philly.  GoneOffShore   Dec-23-07 02:38 PM   #173 
  - Chimpanzees eat meat. Humans eat a lot of insects.  alfredo   Dec-23-07 12:19 PM   #85 
  - 1 reason to eat meat:  rAVES   Dec-23-07 12:26 PM   #94 
  - What if someone put part of your body on a grill?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:01 PM   #306 
     - Frankly it wouldn't bother me in the least bit since I'd already be dead  Hippo_Tron   Dec-24-07 12:50 AM   #377 
     - Enjoy. Meanwhile I'll feast on succulent Honeybaked Ham and med. rare Prime Rib.  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-24-07 01:27 PM   #478 
  - "Human beings are the only primates that eat meat. "  madeline_con   Dec-23-07 12:28 PM   #95 
  - As I said before, this was an error. However, . . .  pathansen   Dec-23-07 04:58 PM   #207 
     - How about leaving the animals to live in peace ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:02 PM   #308 
  - i'm going to try a vegetarian diet in January, i don't think i can go vegan but i  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-23-07 12:38 PM   #101 
  - You should visit the DU Veg Forum  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:44 PM   #109 
  - i will be for sure. My daughter is down to having chicken about 2 times a week  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-23-07 12:50 PM   #115 
     - Wow, big steps already.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 01:04 PM   #118 
  - I didn't think I'd make Vegan either, but it happened --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:07 PM   #309 
  - 1 critical reason for eating meat- it tastes so fucking good.  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 12:46 PM   #111 
  - EATING MEAT IS ANTI-GAY!!  matcom   Dec-23-07 12:48 PM   #113 
  - LOL!  supernova   Dec-23-07 01:05 PM   #119 
  - I'm an omnivore who eats well  supernova   Dec-23-07 01:04 PM   #117 
  - Oh boy a PETA factsheet...  Feron   Dec-23-07 01:05 PM   #120 
  - I don't understand the people who will question everything  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:46 PM   #134 
  - Animal-exploitation will go the way of our other problems if we all live long enough ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:11 PM   #311 
     - Factory farms producing grain  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-25-07 08:28 AM   #527 
  - Effects of meat on cognitive ability - Kenya study  kineta   Dec-23-07 01:15 PM   #123 
  - Um, we're talking about people with very poor nutrition.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 01:33 PM   #128 
     - You seem to have misread, or misinterpreted the information in the article  kineta   Dec-23-07 01:57 PM   #148 
        - It also raises question: did meat eating boost human intelligence  mainer   Dec-23-07 03:22 PM   #187 
        - It Certainly Involved More Problem-Solving Skills  Crisco   Dec-24-07 09:57 PM   #515 
        - No, I didn't.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 04:50 PM   #204 
        - Good luck at the grocery store - I just got back and it was a madhouse..  kineta   Dec-23-07 06:56 PM   #235 
           - I had to go to two stores.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 08:12 PM   #246 
              - My sympathies - after *one* store I felt like having a good cry.  kineta   Dec-23-07 10:10 PM   #310 
        - If true, this may be an advantage which shouldn't be taken and which does harm  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:13 PM   #313 
           - so it's better to be stupid and vegetarian?  mainer   Dec-24-07 07:15 AM   #407 
           - those children in Kenya are worth more than cows...  NorthernSpy   Dec-24-07 08:31 AM   #421 
           - Wow. I have to say that was one of the most disturbing posts I have read in a long time.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 11:41 AM   #461 
  - I agree with many points in this post, but from a consumer's standpoint,  Vinca   Dec-23-07 01:17 PM   #124 
  - What if an animal/dairy based diet kills you ? How expensive is that?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:16 PM   #315 
     - I'm not pimping meat, but a person has to eat something.  Vinca   Dec-24-07 07:10 AM   #405 
     - What a crock!  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:32 AM   #422 
  - Right on schedule.  smoogatz   Dec-23-07 01:29 PM   #126 
  - How many steaks is one child worth?  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:49 PM   #136 
  - Yes, I don't have kids either  pathansen   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #147 
  - I agree.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 02:01 PM   #152 
  - However, for those already here . . . animal-based diets are harmful for the planet ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:17 PM   #317 
     - "animal based"? Most of us omnivores don't base our diet on animals.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:19 PM   #319 
        - The levels of illnesses which stem from animal-based diets seem to suggest  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:24 PM   #360 
  - Vegetarians may actually contribute more to global warming  mainer   Dec-23-07 01:52 PM   #138 
  - The key is just to educate yourself about what you eat  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #144 
  - I'm veg*n and I eat seasonally.  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:09 PM   #160 
  - Completely unsupported speculation.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 04:53 PM   #206 
  - No feed need be transported -- wild game is local.  mainer   Dec-24-07 07:13 AM   #406 
  - Yeah . . . having everyone out shooting animals would help us all --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:21 PM   #320 
  - I'm not a vegetarian, and I agree with alot of this  LostinVA   Dec-23-07 01:53 PM   #140 
  - Was this a mistake: "IF the humans are treated humanely in both life and death."  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:24 PM   #321 
     - Personally -- I can't hardly eat human veal, anymore  LostinVA   Dec-24-07 08:10 AM   #418 
  - Point by point  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 01:53 PM   #141 
  - No one has to eat soy to be a veggie ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:39 PM   #327 
     - e-coli is a bacteria which is found in fecal matter.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:58 PM   #336 
        - Fecal matter should not be used as fertilizer... and this is another problem  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:21 PM   #358 
           - Fecal matter can be used properly as a good fertilizer.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:25 PM   #361 
              - Why would you want anyone's fecal matter thrown on your veggie garden?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:48 PM   #368 
                 - You don't understand it very well. Manure is used in gardens, on farms.  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 12:17 AM   #371 
                    - Are you suggesting there aren't overall objections to using fecal matter as fertilizer?  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:31 PM   #503 
                       - No. I'm saying that there are ways of dealing with using manure for fertilizer.  uppityperson   Dec-25-07 07:59 PM   #539 
  - It's natural for people to eat bugs. But people don't eat bugs.  Evoman   Dec-23-07 02:10 PM   #161 
  - Some do  Retrograde   Dec-23-07 02:33 PM   #171 
  - Poutine is fucking awesome.  Evoman   Dec-23-07 02:41 PM   #174 
     - Nothing better on a cold, cold night  mainer   Dec-23-07 03:19 PM   #184 
  - Lots of people eat bugs.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 02:50 PM   #179 
     - I would definitely try escamoles...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 05:16 PM   #213 
        - I'd try them as well.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 05:58 PM   #232 
  - I realize DU is a progressive board,  CrispyQGirl   Dec-23-07 02:11 PM   #162 
  - Rather, we need more information on vegetarian/vegan lifestyles than not ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:42 PM   #330 
  - Two words: BOWEL CANCER.  Perry Logan   Dec-23-07 02:15 PM   #164 
  - Let me add another: PROSTATE  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:45 PM   #331 
  - That runs in my family  slackmaster   Dec-25-07 10:07 AM   #532 
  - Agreed that our food supply is not healthy~  windoe   Dec-23-07 02:24 PM   #169 
  - well stated...prolly the best response yet.  ileus   Dec-23-07 02:54 PM   #181 
  - What of the planet --- can you address that? What of the violence?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:46 PM   #332 
  - Why is man so blood thristy?  Xenotime   Dec-23-07 02:25 PM   #170 
  - it is our nature  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 02:48 PM   #177 
  - That's a nonsense argument: What you would be saying is that nature is suicidal --- she's not!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:47 PM   #333 
     - No, it's saying that we learned an association between Red and edible.  nemo137   Dec-24-07 11:55 PM   #519 
  - Why do we have binocular vision?  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-24-07 01:35 PM   #481 
     - I believe we're omnivores too, but...  Kerry4Kerry   Dec-24-07 07:33 PM   #500 
  - #5 is wrong and #8 is just bullshit shoved down our throats by the food industry  AZBlue   Dec-23-07 02:35 PM   #172 
  - I don't think this post is offensive. It's just a list. I don't think the poster is telling anyone  Mountainman   Dec-23-07 02:41 PM   #175 
  - Except for the OP's subject line, you'd have a point  kineta   Dec-23-07 03:19 PM   #185 
     - Theres the truth right there.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 04:52 PM   #205 
  - I'm feeling more and more guilty every burger I eat. I'll cut down but christmas turkey is must.  cooolandrew   Dec-23-07 02:50 PM   #178 
  - Did you read/watch Bill Maher's comments on turkey --- ????  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:00 PM   #338 
     - Do you wear leather or wool or silk?  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:03 PM   #341 
        - I try not to . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:16 PM   #356 
           - It is all compromises.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:22 PM   #359 
              - No -- it's a matter of living with unpleasant compromises until you can find a better way ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:53 PM   #369 
  - Chimps eat meat. They even sometimes hunt the infants of other  tblue37   Dec-23-07 03:03 PM   #182 
  - Human beings the only primates that eat meat? Time to read up on biology, friend.  jpgray   Dec-23-07 03:21 PM   #186 
  - I'm a vegetarian and I find two of your points to be blatantly WRONG.  Alexander   Dec-23-07 03:37 PM   #189 
  - The Chinese seemed to do okay. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 03:51 PM   #192 
     - The Chinese eat a wider variety of animals than Americans.  Alexander   Dec-23-07 04:18 PM   #198 
     - Well, the China Study is an excellent book.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:22 PM   #215 
     - Yup. But it doesn't claim that all Chinese people are vegetarians.  Alexander   Dec-23-07 08:13 PM   #249 
     - You're right, it doesn't claim that the Chinese are vegetarians.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 08:41 PM   #260 
     - Mainland China's life expectancy is lower than in the US though  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:14 PM   #250 
        - But they also aren't turning gay or growing breasts in record numbers  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 08:42 PM   #261 
           - OMG, that is seriously retarded.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:06 PM   #345 
              - Beware thyroid issues and soy.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:08 PM   #347 
              - Having been in Asia, I can state categorically that East Asians do NOT eat as much soy as American  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-24-07 10:36 AM   #441 
              - Lay off the meat and put more effort into the soy.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:13 PM   #354 
                 - LOL. So beer will help? I can do that.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:34 PM   #364 
                    - And as George Castanza would say  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:36 PM   #365 
     - It's true.  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:09 PM   #244 
     - The Chinese eat a VERY small amount of soy.  AZBlue   Dec-23-07 10:38 PM   #326 
        - Funny, my Chinese wife begs to differ. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 10:48 PM   #334 
           - Off subject . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:03 PM   #342 
              - She says it's a black tea.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:10 PM   #349 
                 - Thank you!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:14 PM   #355 
  - "If demand was greater, the cost would go down" -- Since when??  SmokingJacket   Dec-23-07 04:06 PM   #194 
  - Bull shit! A vegitarian diet is unnatural for humans and I can prove it. Vitamin B12  Wizard777   Dec-23-07 05:03 PM   #208 
  - Go read a book.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 05:07 PM   #210 
  - You can use supplements or yeast, soy milk is fortified with B12  pathansen   Dec-23-07 05:17 PM   #214 
  - Key point: its Fortified  provis99   Dec-23-07 09:28 PM   #286 
     - Brewer's Yeast is a vegetable source of B-12  kineta   Dec-23-07 10:16 PM   #316 
        - How do you use it --- is it sprinkled on other foods?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:05 PM   #343 
           - Popcorn. Yum.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:08 PM   #348 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-23-07 05:25 PM   #217 
  - "Jesus Christ" is thought by many to have been a vegetarian ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:05 PM   #344 
     - Do you really want to get into "Jesus Christ is thought by many..." here?  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:11 PM   #351 
     - Christ was an Essene.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:37 PM   #366 
     - Many are then incorrect..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:42 AM   #424 
     - Like you could prove he exitisted in the first place let alone make me give a f***  YOY   Dec-24-07 10:45 AM   #444 
  - ZOMG! I R INSANE N DYING. KTHXBAI.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 05:48 PM   #226 
  - BUT ZOMG HE PROVED IT!!!!! n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:50 PM   #227 
  - e-coli in our intestines makes some B12. nt  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:10 PM   #350 
  - Please don't force your values on me!  JamesA1102   Dec-23-07 05:30 PM   #218 
  - Was there a vegan holding you at gunpoint forcing you to open this thread?  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:45 PM   #224 
  - You know, if the thread title was 8 Critical Reasons for a Higher Mileage Auto  flvegan   Dec-23-07 05:52 PM   #228 
     - IT'S MY CHOICE TO DRIVE A HUMMER!!!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:54 PM   #230 
  - You misunderstood my intentions  pathansen   Dec-23-07 05:58 PM   #233 
     - You should change your original subject line then  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:01 PM   # 
        - Maybe I should have just suggested eating less meat  pathansen   Dec-24-07 04:26 AM   #388 
  - Couldn't live off of veggies alone.  Rex   Dec-23-07 05:38 PM   #221 
  - I'll continue to enjoy beef.  MrSlayer   Dec-23-07 05:54 PM   #231 
  - Same here.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-07 08:02 PM   #240 
  - Thanks for your post. I have been Censored. Bye bYe DU no more $  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:01 PM   #239 
  - Don't let it get to you DB1  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:06 PM   #242 
  - Thanks but I am gone.  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:12 PM   #247 
     - misplaced  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:11 PM   #352 
  - Didn't you say something like  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:13 PM   #248 
     - uh-oh. that's not very nice...  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:16 PM   #251 
     - **** Is what I said  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:20 PM   #252 
     - Oh, well that's MUCH different.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:26 PM   #254 
        - So the tone needs to be censored? Vote repug???  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:32 PM   #255 
           - JCOATH, most of us get a post deleted for going overboard for mods.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 08:36 PM   #256 
           - I find it ironic...  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:41 PM   #259 
              - It's not censorship.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:45 PM   #262 
              - Shame on you, you said shit.  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:52 PM   #265 
                 - Shame on me too.  Blue-Jay   Dec-23-07 09:28 PM   #285 
                    - Excellent! N?T  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:33 PM   #287 
              - This is a private and moderated website. Here's a link for you...  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 08:57 PM   #269 
                 - Thanks for the redundancy.  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:36 PM   #290 
                    - You are welcome  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:40 PM   #293 
           - Grow up.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:37 PM   #257 
           - Did you read my post before it was deleted?  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:50 PM   #264 
           - Yes I did. Would I take offense?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:55 PM   #266 
           - OK I But that does not make it right. I pay for this. The rules are too strict.  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:59 PM   #271 
              - Whoa. Wait a minute...you pay for what?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 09:10 PM   #275 
                 - OK OK OK  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:19 PM   #280 
           - take it up with the mods in a pm or email.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:01 PM   #272 
           - well, good think you didn't post something like that.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 08:59 PM   #270 
           - No...  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 12:20 AM   #372 
     - That's what they said  LostinVA   Dec-24-07 08:25 AM   #420 
  - I'll stick with my red meat, thanks.  karlrschneider   Dec-23-07 08:07 PM   #243 
  - Well said, and totally correct!  MyPetRock   Dec-23-07 08:45 PM   #263 
  - You've given some reasons, certainly,  LWolf   Dec-23-07 08:55 PM   #267 
  - Reason 9... Sanctimony  cgrindley   Dec-23-07 09:07 PM   #274 
  - Projection. Next?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 09:22 PM   #283 
  - No... believing in number 3 and 5 really do expose you as unedumacated  cgrindley   Dec-24-07 06:53 AM   #398 
  - LOL  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:49 AM   #425 
  - Great post. Judging from the flames, just remember . . .  The Stranger   Dec-23-07 09:40 PM   #294 
  - Seriously? Even with scientific backing proving wrong?  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:44 PM   #296 
  - As an aside:  tofunut   Dec-23-07 11:01 PM   #339 
  - Yes, there are benefits, aside from OP toutingness.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:06 PM   #346 
  - That is practically the history of science -- proving prior scientific findings wrong.  The Stranger   Dec-24-07 08:42 AM   #423 
     - I'm not attacking "one element" but a bunch of it is wrong. If you're going to  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 02:07 PM   #486 
  - What part of that Ghandi quote covers "discussing some inaccuracies"?  Blue-Jay   Dec-23-07 09:48 PM   #298 
  - Oh great, not this shit again.  CRF450   Dec-23-07 10:01 PM   #307 
  - don't you find you're more fearful after eating meat??? LOL  ileus   Dec-23-07 10:24 PM   #322 
     - Honestly I dont see the point in these type of discussions  CRF450   Dec-23-07 11:45 PM   #367 
  - Where did you find these facts?  laurelbunny   Dec-23-07 10:19 PM   #318 
  - Here are some links  pathansen   Dec-24-07 04:35 AM   #390 
  - The biggest problem is factory farming  jgraz   Dec-23-07 10:31 PM   #324 
  - Potentially, that's possible best/worst scenario considered.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 10:42 PM   #329 
  - I agree with you that that is the biggest problem  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:59 PM   #337 
  - Learn to hunt and most of these points evaporate. nt  piedmont   Dec-23-07 10:42 PM   #328 
  - Brilliance. Nothing more, nothing less.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 10:57 PM   #335 
     - How about just be able to buy wild game?  mainer   Dec-24-07 07:17 AM   #408 
  - The threads two main points: harm to the planet and HEALTH issues . . . woefully neglected --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:13 PM   #353 
  - I will admit, quite a few points in the OP are seriously flawed.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:17 PM   #357 
     - The illnesses were developing around animal/dairy eating seem to suggest that  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:56 PM   #370 
        - That's so dumb it hurts  cgrindley   Dec-24-07 09:57 AM   #436 
           - Perhaps you've noticed that we've made other species extinct --- ????  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:21 PM   #502 
              - Get back to the commune, you dirty hippy  cgrindley   Dec-25-07 10:03 AM   #530 
  - I tried the vegetarian diet for a while  silverojo   Dec-24-07 12:21 AM   #373 
  - Maybe try B12 supplements or brewers yeast?  pathansen   Dec-24-07 04:29 AM   #389 
  - We should discuss growing CORN for 'bio-fuel'  kineta   Dec-24-07 12:42 AM   #376 
  - GoVeg.com - THAT sounds like a neutral resource...  MattSh   Dec-24-07 01:38 AM   #382 
  - With all the havoc that we as humans bring upon the earth,  Mendocino   Dec-24-07 01:39 AM   #383 
  - Why is hamburger meat so cheap when it takes that much fuel to make it?  Incitatus   Dec-24-07 03:33 AM   #386 
  - Government subsidies. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 11:26 AM   #455 
  - I am primarily vegetarian...  and-justice-for-all   Dec-24-07 04:37 AM   #391 
  - Modern people today are alienated from meat farming.  quantessd   Dec-24-07 06:09 AM   #397 
  - it goes further than that  Retrograde   Dec-24-07 01:13 PM   #471 
  - If you do not want to eat meat then don't  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:00 AM   #400 
  - You are probably not  Annces   Dec-24-07 07:02 AM   #402 
  - I usually like your answers  MrWiggles   Dec-24-07 07:24 AM   #410 
  - Good morning Mr. Wiggles!  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:31 AM   #411 
  - thank you. nt  lionesspriyanka   Dec-24-07 09:09 AM   #431 
  - "If you don't want to vote Republican, then don't."  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 10:03 AM   #437 
  - Wow that is quite a stretch there.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 10:35 AM   #440 
     - It's not a stretch just because you say so. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 10:49 AM   #445 
        - It is a stretch because it is a stretch-  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 11:11 AM   #449 
           - Okay, since this is the way you want to argue.  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 11:23 AM   #453 
           - You're a better person than I am...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 12:48 PM   #465 
              - I'm going off on a completely different tangant now.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 12:55 PM   #466 
                 - Me too!  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 01:41 PM   #484 
  - As an agnostic, non religious meat eater, I'd say you are about half right.  quantessd   Dec-25-07 12:44 AM   #522 
     - I do actually give a shit  Marrah_G   Dec-25-07 10:07 PM   #543 
  - As a proud omnivore I feel the need to refute some of this  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 07:48 AM   #413 
  - K & R & Bookmarked.  TheGoldenRule   Dec-24-07 07:49 AM   #414 
  - It's the pesticides, petrol chemical fertilizers and  B Calm   Dec-24-07 10:13 AM   #438 
  - My strongest disagreement is with #5  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-24-07 10:41 AM   #442 
  - Shhhh dont let facts get in the way  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 09:49 PM   #514 
  - Buddhist monks are not all vegans either  slackmaster   Dec-25-07 09:58 AM   #529 
     - True. And the fact that the Dali Lama eats meat really sticks in *some* people's craw  kineta   Dec-25-07 09:35 PM   #541 
     - I attended a lecture by the Dalai Lama in about 1978 when I was an undergrad at UCSD  slackmaster   Dec-26-07 10:05 AM   #546 
     - Double true! The Tibetan monks we hosted LOVE meat  mainer   Dec-26-07 04:48 PM   #558 
  - Sorry. I'll eat whatever the hell I want  YOY   Dec-24-07 10:44 AM   #443 
  - Damn right!!!  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 01:34 PM   #480 
     - Who the f*** said anything about an SUV?  YOY   Dec-25-07 07:08 AM   #523 
  - Bollocks.  TheWraith   Dec-24-07 11:07 AM   #448 
  - From now on, every time someone posts something like this  Snarkturian Clone   Dec-24-07 01:37 PM   #482 
  - "Human beings are the only primates that eat meat." Bzzrt. Wrong!  Akoto   Dec-24-07 02:01 PM   #485 
  - Does increased demand really drive prices down?  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 02:36 PM   #487 
  - incease competition and economy of scale  bettyellen   Dec-24-07 04:44 PM   #494 
     - You're assuming that economies of scale hold true for the agriculture market  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 07:44 AM   #526 
        - well that's how things have been shaking out with organic produce in the last 15 years...  bettyellen   Dec-25-07 10:04 AM   #531 
           - That's because until recently the organic market was very small  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 10:22 AM   #533 
              - so what would be stopping technology all of a sudden from innovating?  bettyellen   Dec-25-07 11:27 AM   #534 
                 - I think the original point was about what would happen if everybody became a vegetarian  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 11:59 AM   #535 
  - Been a veg for the last 2 1/2 years. Still doing okay, but I had  Ilsa   Dec-24-07 06:11 PM   #499 
  - But pepperoni is soooo good!  Breeze54   Dec-24-07 08:37 PM   #505 
  - How does that work in Canada?  Orwellian_Ghost   Dec-24-07 08:58 PM   #508 
  - I get hassled over this issue by a waitress at my favorite restaurant.  mwb970   Dec-25-07 07:28 AM   #525 
  - To tell someone they will 'sicken and die' is very EVIL juju.  kineta   Dec-25-07 09:42 PM   #542 
  - I would speak to the manager  Marrah_G   Dec-25-07 10:11 PM   #544 
  - Item #5 is not correct  slackmaster   Dec-25-07 09:52 AM   #528 
  - Please don't tell me what to eat. No soy for health reasons,  48percenter   Dec-26-07 02:22 AM   #545 
  - Eating meat causes harm the way we do it now  OnionPatch   Dec-26-07 10:27 AM   #547 
  - friends mother went vegan, now has health problems  Prefer   Dec-26-07 05:10 PM   #559 
     - Good enough evidence for me!  Blue-Jay   Dec-26-07 07:58 PM   #563 
     - Could be a lack of nutritional knowledge, yes?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:07 PM   #564 
 

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