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162. I realize DU is a progressive board,
Edited on Sun Dec-23-07 02:24 PM by CrispyQGirl
but you'll never be able to have a reasoned discussion on this topic. I've been here since '04 & every time someone posts a similar thread as yours, it gets mean, nasty & hostile. People will give up their SUVs before they give up their meat.

I've been vegetarian since '86, my husband since '72, we've been vegan since '00. ;) We both work out regularly doing cardio & weight lifting - no weakling vegans here! Strangers constantly tell me what lovely skin I have. Last year at my annual checkup, my doctor commented that she wished all her patients were as healthy as I am. :thumbsup:

We are vegan for ethical reasons; we care about how we treat our planet & fellow beings. A few of my favorite justifications for our diet:

I like to eat as low on the food chain as possible.

I want to leave as small a footprint as possible.

I want to eat as far from my DNA as possible. ;) (I especially like this one!)


Welcome to DU, pathansen. :hi: Visit like minded DUers here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... There is a recipe thread that is pinned at the top of the forum with some great tasting recipes!

BTW, I have noticed at corporate functions that when there is a variety of pizza available the veggie pizza always gets eaten first. ;)

on edit: I certainly don't mean to discourage you from posting about this topic, but as you can see, you should have a very thick skin!

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  -8 Critical Reasons for a Vegetarian Diet pathansen  Dec-23-07 08:26 AM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-23-07 08:32 AM   #1 
  - Why?  sparosnare   Dec-23-07 08:39 AM   #3 
  - I do not raise animals for slaughter..  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:54 AM   #9 
  - All animals die eventually  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:59 PM   #150 
     - just what I said to Grandpa  G_j   Dec-24-07 08:01 PM   #501 
        - Well, you really gotta get'em before they get too old and stringy  jgraz   Dec-24-07 08:50 PM   #506 
  - I actually like your reasoning.  hiaasenrocks   Dec-24-07 11:40 AM   #460 
  - Wow.  Sparkly   Dec-23-07 08:44 AM   #6 
  - meat, eggs, cheese....  Locrian   Dec-23-07 08:51 AM   #8 
  - I agree but the real problem is  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:08 AM   #12 
  - So because you have a financial interest in something  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:10 AM   #14 
  - You maam/ sir need a clue,  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:26 AM   #24 
     - Which doesn't even come close to addressing  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:30 AM   #27 
        - Why thank you being irrellevant makes me feel like true Ried Dem.  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:39 AM   #34 
  - Those types of insults are not well tolerated around here  Lorien   Dec-23-07 11:40 AM   #61 
  - Actually, they are. nt  tofunut   Dec-23-07 01:10 PM   #121 
  - Hooray for Organic Farmers!  crikkett   Dec-23-07 12:03 PM   #71 
  - Cool! What/where do you produce?  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #146 
     - Eggs Veggies Milk for Family and friends  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:40 PM   #292 
  - Sorry, but you're wrong on number 5.  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 08:39 AM   #2 
  - Here is a reference to a scholarly book on the topic of hunting in apes  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 08:56 AM   #10 
  - And apes cooked their kill?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:13 AM   #53 
     - they would if they could.  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 12:06 PM   #75 
     - "Evolving" involves developing an animal-slaughter industry? Which, btw, harms nature?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 07:02 PM   #236 
     - LOTS of things that humans do "harms nature"- shouldn't we then stop ALL of them?  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 08:57 PM   #268 
        - Well, how about we begin with the things that are making us SICK and  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:29 PM   #362 
           - You don't understand how nature works  cyborg_jim   Dec-24-07 06:05 AM   #396 
           - Grain is far less natural than meat  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 07:56 AM   #415 
           - It's the vegetables themselves that destroyed the environment  Kerry4Kerry   Dec-24-07 08:54 AM   #427 
           - building houses harms nature- perhaps we should return to caves?  QuestionAll   Dec-24-07 10:55 AM   #446 
           - How are we destroying our species?  taught_me_patience   Dec-26-07 12:37 PM   #551 
     - They also don't farm their vegetables  Union Label   Dec-23-07 08:39 PM   #258 
     - I eat sushi a lot...  Dorian Gray   Dec-23-07 02:01 PM   #153 
     - Your post made me think of this  OhioBlues   Dec-23-07 03:30 PM   #188 
        - Of course no offense was intended....  Dorian Gray   Dec-23-07 07:37 PM   #238 
           - No the words he sang and the way you said you liked fish  OhioBlues   Dec-24-07 03:54 AM   #387 
           - Please...  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 09:08 AM   #430 
           - I tried to add this but my time was expired  OhioBlues   Dec-24-07 05:44 AM   #393 
              - Oh, don't worry...  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 09:07 AM   #429 
                 - LOL  OhioBlues   Dec-24-07 09:09 AM   #432 
                    - Cheers....  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 11:37 AM   #458 
     - When they evolve the intelligence to master fire, I'm sure they will  NickB79   Dec-23-07 02:01 PM   #154 
     - Yes, uncooked animals have disease and parasites --- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 07:07 PM   #237 
        - and the animals that eat them have immune systems to deal with that...  QuestionAll   Dec-24-07 10:57 AM   #447 
           - The fact that we now suffer so many diseases indicates that our humane systems  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:36 PM   #504 
              - they haven't been damaged- they've evolved.  QuestionAll   Dec-24-07 10:13 PM   #516 
              - So, damage is evolution, eh . . . ?  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 11:19 PM   #518 
                 - you're the one referring to it as damage, not i.  QuestionAll   Dec-25-07 12:04 AM   #520 
                    - You don't consider disease "damage" . . .? Obesity isn't "damage" . . . ?  defendandprotect   Dec-25-07 01:46 PM   #536 
                       - meat eating has been aroumd as long as there have been humans...  QuestionAll   Dec-25-07 01:57 PM   #537 
                          - And. . . you were there --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-25-07 02:11 PM   #538 
                          - obesity is caused by excess carbs, not meat eating  mainer   Dec-26-07 04:42 PM   #557 
              - That should be IMMUNE systems, of course ---  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 11:14 PM   #517 
     - Apes don't use computers either...should we not be posting here?  DuStrange   Dec-23-07 02:08 PM   #159 
     - Well, I didn't comment on cooking at all. I think that is a f*&cking non sequitur  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 04:32 PM   #199 
  - Yes, I was mistaken when I claimed that no other primate eats meat  pathansen   Dec-23-07 01:39 PM   #131 
     - Most intelligent animals are opportunistic carnivores  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:53 PM   #142 
     - Cows, horses, pigs, deer do not eat meat  pathansen   Dec-23-07 04:35 PM   #201 
        - pigs will eat anything...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 05:03 PM   #209 
        - And of that group, which is the most intelligent?  jgraz   Dec-23-07 05:53 PM   #229 
        - The native Americans used to call us the "pig people" because we are pink . . . etc.  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:12 PM   #276 
        - Well . . . "anything" which they might naturally get ahold of in nature ; but only  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:14 PM   #277 
        - Elk have been documented deliberately stomping and eating mice and similar small animals.  dicksteele   Dec-23-07 10:12 PM   #312 
     - Humans, Gorillas, Chimps and Orangs are known to eat meat  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 04:43 PM   #202 
        - I was going to type what you said.  Snarkturian Clone   Dec-23-07 08:12 PM   #245 
  - Don't forget buckwheat groats.  screembloodymurder   Dec-23-07 08:40 AM   #4 
  - Is the book "Diet for a Small Planet" still around?  Sparkly   Dec-23-07 08:41 AM   #5 
  - by Frances Moore Lapp -- right?  Idealist Hippie   Dec-23-07 09:50 AM   #41 
  - There's also Jane Goodall's book "Harvest for hope; a guide for mindful  Lorien   Dec-23-07 12:03 PM   #72 
  - Preparing fields for vegetable farming kills...  Cassandra   Dec-23-07 08:45 AM   #7 
  - Save the moles!!  proud2Blib   Dec-23-07 09:37 AM   #33 
  - Do rabbits glean the fields?  Cassandra   Dec-23-07 09:49 AM   #39 
     - They are all in my backyard  proud2Blib   Dec-23-07 10:00 AM   #45 
     - we have adapted to your puny human machines  flying rabbit   Dec-23-07 01:14 PM   #122 
  - Here's why I've never understood that argument:  tofunut   Dec-23-07 10:19 AM   #47 
  - I was responding to #3 in the OP...  Cassandra   Dec-23-07 10:42 AM   #48 
  - A distinction needn't be drawn.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 12:56 PM   #116 
  - 3 words: grass fed beef  piedmont   Dec-23-07 10:15 PM   #314 
     - The whole world?  tofunut   Dec-23-07 10:34 PM   #325 
  - Preparing fields for corn feed  Madam Mossfern   Dec-23-07 06:01 PM   #234 
  - Well. . . the particular way we are "preparing fields" ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:17 PM   #279 
  - What a load of bullshit  Champion_Jack   Dec-23-07 09:05 AM   #11 
  - almost everything in the OP is true  garybeck   Dec-24-07 01:29 PM   #479 
  - Oh this should be good.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:08 AM   #13 
  - Humans are omnivores.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:15 AM   #17 
  - I rest my case. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:17 AM   #19 
  - See, that's exactly what I mean.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:30 AM   #28 
     - I'm not trying to control anything.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:36 AM   #31 
     - Then why do you act like you have the only way to a  China_cat   Dec-23-07 11:08 AM   #51 
     - I'm pointing out why I think an omnivorous diet is...  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:25 AM   #57 
     - Do you always start off an enlightening discussion with the phrase, "  Joe Fields   Dec-23-07 03:40 PM   #190 
        - Sure, just as much as a first post that reads  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 03:50 PM   #191 
           - I see. So, you follow the crowd then, right?  Joe Fields   Dec-23-07 04:01 PM   #193 
              - Are you channeling Miss Manners?  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 04:10 PM   #195 
                 - something as elegant as "fundie carnivores?" No, sadly, I have  Joe Fields   Dec-23-07 04:34 PM   #200 
                    - Gee, I wondered how long that would take.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:22 PM   #216 
                    - And I'm giving odds and taking bets on how long...  LanternWaste   Dec-26-07 02:51 PM   #554 
     - Oh, please. I've ridden plenty of combines,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 01:50 PM   #137 
     - .  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 01:52 PM   #139 
     - In mid-June, we see huge numbers of wildlife run through the hay baler  NickB79   Dec-23-07 02:08 PM   #158 
     - I've had deer run in front of the combine, but never hit one  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:12 PM   #163 
        - Yeah, it's not like a Texas Chainsaw Massacre movie, that's for sure  NickB79   Dec-23-07 02:19 PM   #165 
           - It takes 16 pounds of grain to produce a pound of beef.  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:22 PM   #475 
     - I grew up in PA  China_cat   Dec-24-07 01:15 PM   #473 
     - Well, maybe the combines should go --- and we should stop overpopulating --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:20 PM   #281 
  - They would NEVER use an icky, polluting, fossil-fueled farm MACHINE!!  MindPilot   Dec-23-07 09:29 AM   #26 
  - True, but they'd still have to cut it by sickle.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:33 AM   #29 
     - Congrats!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:36 AM   #32 
  - Well said... and they should all look at FDA regulations on the...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 11:39 AM   #459 
  - You're right. I've never been able to figure out  truth2power   Dec-23-07 12:35 PM   #98 
  - I don't think it's defensiveness. I think it's plain old annoyance.  Marr   Dec-23-07 05:14 PM   #212 
  - No --- there's a unevoked suggestion of "superiority" which animal-eaters feel --  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 08:24 PM   #253 
  - You feel that you're more enlightened, compassionate, and informed- but  Marr   Dec-23-07 09:01 PM   #273 
  - No, you haven't seen any discussion of "superiority" because it's as hidden as the violence ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:25 PM   #284 
  - Please tell me you're not equating war or murder with  Marr   Dec-24-07 12:58 AM   #378 
     - I am suggesting "violence begins with the fork" . . /Ghandi  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:57 PM   #507 
  - I believe that a Mathematics Professor  LanternWaste   Dec-26-07 02:59 PM   #556 
  - "I feel more aware, more informed, more compassionate, more enlightened"  kineta   Dec-24-07 01:01 AM   #379 
  - No, I would disagree that animal-eaters think they are "superior" ---  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:02 PM   #509 
  - Really?  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:06 AM   #416 
  - No, It Really Is Annoyance  Crisco   Dec-24-07 05:54 PM   #498 
     - So -- you don't understand the connections between animal-exploitation and  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:11 PM   #511 
  - many holier-than-thou vegans, there's just as many meat-eaters  LanternWaste   Dec-26-07 02:57 PM   #555 
     - I see those as different, not both holier than though, though yes, both uncivil  uppityperson   Dec-26-07 06:39 PM   #560 
  - It's because of the violence involved in animal eating ... which must be denied --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:22 PM   #282 
     - There are Kosher means...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 11:53 AM   #464 
        - yes  druidity33   Dec-24-07 05:35 PM   #497 
        - So . .. if there's no pain then there's no violence --- ??? Are you kidding?  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:16 PM   #512 
           - When every hungry human being on the planet is fed  Juniperx   Dec-26-07 10:30 AM   #548 
              - Evidently you don't understand that animals have to be FED . . . in other words,  defendandprotect   Dec-26-07 12:19 PM   #549 
                 - You are missing the point  Juniperx   Dec-26-07 12:48 PM   #552 
                 - Let's just eat the crops --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-26-07 07:55 PM   #561 
                 - Wrong again, at best too simplistic. Poor resource distribution creates hunger.  uppityperson   Dec-26-07 02:01 PM   #553 
                    - Propaganda works . . ..  defendandprotect   Dec-26-07 07:57 PM   #562 
  - No, see, "fundies" are usually the ones DOING the preaching.  impeachdubya   Dec-24-07 01:13 AM   #381 
  - The "gods" come and go --- however, we have only one planet --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 09:23 PM   #513 
  - Probably because of the fundie Veggie spreading bullshit  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:02 AM   #401 
  - #8 Soy alternative  China_cat   Dec-23-07 09:11 AM   #15 
  - Try "Yves Good Ground"  K8-EEE   Dec-23-07 09:17 PM   #278 
     - I have tried enough, of enough different kinds to know  China_cat   Dec-24-07 05:56 AM   #395 
  - Thanks for posting  Annces   Dec-23-07 09:11 AM   #16 
  - How did Ice Age man survive as vegetarians?  mainer   Dec-23-07 09:15 AM   #18 
  - Humans have, of course, eaten meat for a long time  pathansen   Dec-23-07 04:43 PM   #203 
     - My point is, carnivorous behavior is NATURAL for humans  mainer   Dec-24-07 09:56 AM   #435 
  - What about seafood? Is it ok?  MindPilot   Dec-23-07 09:17 AM   #20 
  - Seafood? I think there are veggies who eat seafood. I don't ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:34 PM   #288 
     - LOL  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:10 AM   #417 
  - To each his own...  Stump   Dec-23-07 09:19 AM   #21 
  - Exactly.... Enjoy and Merry Christmas.  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:34 AM   #30 
  - Would be eating "ham" if you had to slaughter the pig and "process" it --- ????  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:35 PM   #289 
     - Yes. I'd rather raise my own than buy commercial meat.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:29 PM   #323 
     - Probably so...  Stump   Dec-24-07 07:07 AM   #403 
  - Expanding on #1:  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 09:22 AM   #22 
  - Confessions of an ex-meat eater  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 09:23 AM   #23 
  - Now I have a friend who had exactly the opposite experience  MindPilot   Dec-23-07 09:45 AM   #37 
  - Nutrition is nutrition  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:07 PM   #76 
  - There's good protein from fresh fruits and vegs; and bad protein from animal souces ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:39 PM   #291 
     - According to some studies, soy protien is bad for you.  Kerry4Kerry   Dec-24-07 07:47 AM   #412 
     - Would you do me a favour?  HannibalBarca   Dec-24-07 09:17 AM   #434 
  - I'm halfway between you and post #25  DFW   Dec-24-07 02:37 AM   #385 
  - I'm also a vegetarian due to cholesterol.  JanMichael   Dec-23-07 10:02 AM   #46 
  - It is very disturbing  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:08 PM   #78 
  - and the best cholesterol numbers I ever had in my life  MonkeyFunk   Dec-23-07 01:34 PM   #129 
  - How were your kidney numbers?  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 01:55 PM   #143 
     - No problem at all  MonkeyFunk   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #145 
  - Are you raising the question of whether animal-eating causes . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:44 PM   #295 
     - Hardly. If so I would have been just as much of a jerk as I've seen...  JanMichael   Dec-24-07 09:16 AM   #433 
  - confessions of an ex-vegan - opposite experience.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:01 PM   #340 
  - 25 years ago. I have to give you credit.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:32 PM   #363 
     - Did I say 25 years ago? I lied.  kineta   Dec-24-07 12:39 AM   #375 
  - My anger is for the same reason religious preachies piss me off  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:08 AM   #404 
     - Who is telling you what to eat?  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 11:32 AM   #456 
        - Again your post sounds like someone trying to save me  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 11:47 AM   #462 
           - Then don't click on a post about vegetarianism  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 01:23 PM   #476 
              - I don't have negative reactions to Vegetarians  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 03:30 PM   #489 
                 - Thank you Marrah, I agree. Propaganda posts, no matter what the subject.  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 03:57 PM   #491 
  - #5 is the biggest crock of shite I have ever heard  matcom   Dec-23-07 09:28 AM   #25 
  - Most of the whole list is  alarimer   Dec-23-07 09:49 AM   #38 
  - "there are certain amino acids that are only found in animal protein which are required."  Boojatta   Dec-23-07 11:35 AM   #59 
     - You're going to be waiting a LONG time for that answer.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:02 PM   #70 
  - Nah those are for chomping on that ear of corn, dontcha know?  proud2Blib   Dec-23-07 09:50 AM   #40 
  - But Matt, our teeth are not canine-like. If you look at a dog's mouth  HereSince1628   Dec-23-07 09:53 AM   #44 
  - So let me get his straight...  Dead_Parrot   Dec-23-07 09:43 AM   #35 
  - I've always wondered about that too.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 11:13 AM   #54 
  - Many vegans/vegetarians do not eat the super-processed meat analogs.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:29 AM   #58 
  - You might not  China_cat   Dec-23-07 11:38 AM   #60 
     - How is it hypocritical?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:44 AM   #62 
     - "taste wasn't part of the issue"  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 11:55 AM   #64 
     - What the hell does that have to do with what I posted?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:01 PM   #68 
        - everything...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:20 PM   #87 
           - Few? "Long haul"?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:24 PM   #91 
              - Well, "some people say."  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:26 PM   #93 
              - 2006 Harris poll  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:36 PM   #99 
              - it's not all anecdotal. There's a study on this...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:37 PM   #100 
              - "the survey found that only 42% of vegetarians stuck to a diet w/ no red meat, poultry, or fish"...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:34 PM   #96 
                 - So  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:39 PM   #104 
                 - Ex vegetarian here...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 11:48 AM   #463 
                    - My health has improved since giving up meat,  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:17 PM   #474 
                       - You are welcome to your beliefs and your opinions...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 01:38 PM   #483 
     - Why call it bacon?  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:39 PM   #130 
        - Why not call bacon "processed slaughtered pig parts" then?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 02:50 PM   #180 
     - History of seitan:  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:08 PM   #77 
        - It, by itself, isn't called by a MEAT name.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:41 PM   #132 
  - been a vegetarian for going on 31 years  cynthia   Dec-23-07 03:09 PM   #183 
  - Live food? Of course.  China_cat   Dec-24-07 01:02 PM   #467 
  - I find ideas like that disgusting . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:47 PM   #297 
  - Mock duck is made out of wheat. It's also called seitan.  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 01:58 PM   #149 
  - The last thing the pro-vegetarian point of view needs  elocs   Dec-23-07 09:43 AM   #36 
  - This is really humorous consider the aggression coming from the pro-animal-eating side here --- !!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:01 AM   #49 
  - I don't agree with you cause people need to be aware of these issues  pathansen   Dec-23-07 05:34 PM   #219 
  - Your teeth and your gut make you an omnivore. If your head believes otherwise its wrong.  ThomWV   Dec-23-07 09:52 AM   #42 
  - Tjhat would only be true if you were eating uncooked RAW animals ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:03 AM   #50 
  - it's called evolution- look it up.  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 12:41 PM   #105 
  - I read an interesting book that touched on this.  Marr   Dec-23-07 05:44 PM   #223 
  - I adore steak tartare.  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:43 PM   #133 
  - Isn't that raw ground meat?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:48 PM   #299 
     - Simple. You wash it then grind it.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:54 PM   #302 
     - I grind my own.  China_cat   Dec-24-07 05:55 AM   #394 
  - dupe post  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 08:53 AM   #426 
  - No other Herbivore cultivates crops.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 08:55 AM   #428 
  - Lets take a look at that argument.  Lorien   Dec-23-07 11:53 AM   #63 
     - !!  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:58 AM   #65 
     - alrighty: my teeth are pointier than horse teeth...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:01 PM   #69 
     - I'd have to go with the raccoon  foo_bar   Dec-23-07 02:24 PM   #168 
     - We don't have to kill our meat with claws and our teeth.  ileus   Dec-23-07 02:43 PM   #176 
     - But that's what nature has to make you capable of doing in order to proclaim the label --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:51 PM   #300 
     - We replaced those assets with tools through evolution, a natural process  NickB79   Dec-24-07 12:34 AM   #374 
     - "We can't out run any animal faster than a turtle" is slightly misleading...  baby_mouse   Dec-24-07 04:44 AM   #392 
     - I don't understand how people can argue that we aren't omnivores.  Marr   Dec-23-07 05:37 PM   #220 
        - People have eaten snakes and cockroaches when they're starving . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:52 PM   #301 
        - I'd say it proves we're omnivores.  Marr   Dec-24-07 01:10 AM   #380 
        - Honestly?  tofunut   Dec-24-07 09:09 PM   #510 
  - meet your meat !  HuffleClaw   Dec-23-07 09:52 AM   #43 
  - Great need for a thread like this --- though we can see very emotional reactions!!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:10 AM   #52 
  - Excellent food for thought.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:14 AM   #55 
  - the dirty little secret of vegetarianism: cheating and backsliding galore!  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 11:15 AM   #56 
  - I know many, many people who dislike the taste of meat  Lorien   Dec-23-07 11:58 AM   #66 
  - I've known people who've claimed a formidable distaste for meat...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 12:15 PM   #82 
  - You have stats to support this,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:00 PM   #151 
     - don't worry, I'm not about to follow people to see whether they're cheating...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 02:20 PM   #166 
     - I eat at steakhouses when friends aske me to.  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:14 PM   #472 
     - oh, and yeah -- I do have some stats...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 02:23 PM   #167 
     - Why don't vegetarians supply stats for their beliefs  MattSh   Dec-24-07 02:19 AM   #384 
  - I've seen the same  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:16 PM   #83 
  - Bravo Sierra  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:24 AM   #419 
     - Myth  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 10:17 AM   #439 
        - Right the diet humans have been eating for thousands of years is unnatural  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 11:13 AM   #450 
           - Oh I see, so it is natural to pump your body full of animal fat  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 11:22 AM   #452 
           - LOL all or nothing with some people..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 01:06 PM   #468 
              - Bravo  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 01:25 PM   #477 
                 - lol  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 04:25 PM   #492 
           - Once again, soy milk is not a new thing.  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 11:25 AM   #454 
              - Ive got no bones with vegans  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 01:10 PM   #469 
                 - What the hell does that have to do with what I posted?  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 02:49 PM   #488 
                    - Oh pshaw and over react much? Try these sites.  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 03:48 PM   #490 
                    - Um, where did I suggest that soy formula is a good replacement for breast milk?  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 05:15 PM   #496 
                       - Who is claiming/arguing you are a ninfant nutrition expert?  uppityperson   Dec-25-07 08:03 PM   #540 
                    - Ok maybe I missed the context..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 04:27 PM   #493 
                       - No, you gave me an upchuck of a post that was arguing with something I never said.  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 05:11 PM   #495 
  - But by the same token I know kids who have a FIT over eating veggies  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:18 AM   #409 
  - There us no such thing as a true vegitarian. This is why.  Wizard777   Dec-23-07 05:08 PM   #211 
  - It's spelled "vegetarian."  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:44 PM   #222 
  - !!!  flvegan   Dec-23-07 05:46 PM   #225 
  - B12 comes from bacterial action.  LeftyMom   Dec-24-07 11:15 AM   #451 
  - Funny . . . I thought the "dirty little secret" was 17% fecal matter on animal carcasses ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:55 PM   #303 
  - Vegetarians remind me a lot of fundamentalist Christians....they're RIGHT and you're WRONG....  Rowdyboy   Dec-23-07 12:01 PM   #67 
  - So close!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:03 PM   #73 
  - Hitler was a vegan!  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:11 PM   #80 
     - Stalin was an atheist!!!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:12 PM   #81 
     - Oh, yeah, well I'll tell you  TheBorealAvenger   Dec-24-07 11:33 AM   #457 
     - Hitler was a vegetarian.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:22 PM   #88 
     - No he wasn't.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:24 PM   #90 
     - He may have done some backsliding.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:35 PM   #97 
        - Eh. I've heard differently.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:38 PM   #102 
        - Claims meant to portray himself as some kind of ascetic.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 12:39 PM   #103 
           - The funny thing is, and this goes along with the poster above....  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:45 PM   #110 
              - The Right Wing Will Have to Find another Slam against Vegetarians  fascisthunter   Dec-26-07 12:24 PM   #550 
     - Pssst...  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 12:44 PM   #108 
        - I agree Hitler has no place in the argument.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:47 PM   #112 
     - No he wasn't. this is a common stated myth, or lie,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:03 PM   #155 
        - Oh Jesus Christ!  Stuckinthebush   Dec-23-07 04:15 PM   #197 
           - Sorry, You have no idea how often people really throw that at us.nt  mycritters2   Dec-24-07 01:13 PM   #470 
              - It's cool  Stuckinthebush   Dec-25-07 12:14 AM   #521 
  - Surely you mean *some* vegetarians, right?  tofunut   Dec-23-07 12:42 PM   #106 
  - Absolutely...half the guests at my last small party were vegetarian.....  Rowdyboy   Dec-23-07 04:10 PM   #196 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Dec-23-07 08:03 PM   #241 
  - That looks like confirmation of my "superiority" observation . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:58 PM   #304 
  - I was married to a food Nazi once. Once.  mwb970   Dec-25-07 07:16 AM   #524 
  - Thats all utter (or udder) bullshit, or a lot of it at any rate.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:05 PM   #74 
  - "I don't care about a pigs feelings, or a chicken, etc"  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:09 PM   #79 
  - I could care less how they are treated.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:17 PM   #84 
  - Stab a pig and a plant with a fork.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:19 PM   #86 
  - Maybe plants show pain in other ways.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:23 PM   #89 
     - And if my grandmother had balls  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 12:25 PM   #92 
        - I don't care about your grandmothers balls.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 12:43 PM   #107 
           - Plants have no CNS.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 01:22 PM   #125 
              - Nope.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 01:30 PM   #127 
                 - I put "aware" in quotes for a reason. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 01:48 PM   #135 
  - Plants don't have central nervous systems,  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:06 PM   #156 
  - May you get the same in return n/t  Annces   Dec-24-07 06:56 AM   #399 
  - It's the major point which has to be denied . . .violence in animal-eating!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 09:59 PM   #305 
  - I'll buy meat from you, but not from Hatfield.  GoneOffShore   Dec-23-07 12:50 PM   #114 
     - You mean Smithfield? nt  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:07 PM   #157 
        - Hatfield here in Philly.  GoneOffShore   Dec-23-07 02:38 PM   #173 
  - Chimpanzees eat meat. Humans eat a lot of insects.  alfredo   Dec-23-07 12:19 PM   #85 
  - 1 reason to eat meat:  rAVES   Dec-23-07 12:26 PM   #94 
  - What if someone put part of your body on a grill?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:01 PM   #306 
     - Frankly it wouldn't bother me in the least bit since I'd already be dead  Hippo_Tron   Dec-24-07 12:50 AM   #377 
     - Enjoy. Meanwhile I'll feast on succulent Honeybaked Ham and med. rare Prime Rib.  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-24-07 01:27 PM   #478 
  - "Human beings are the only primates that eat meat. "  madeline_con   Dec-23-07 12:28 PM   #95 
  - As I said before, this was an error. However, . . .  pathansen   Dec-23-07 04:58 PM   #207 
     - How about leaving the animals to live in peace ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:02 PM   #308 
  - i'm going to try a vegetarian diet in January, i don't think i can go vegan but i  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-23-07 12:38 PM   #101 
  - You should visit the DU Veg Forum  flvegan   Dec-23-07 12:44 PM   #109 
  - i will be for sure. My daughter is down to having chicken about 2 times a week  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-23-07 12:50 PM   #115 
     - Wow, big steps already.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 01:04 PM   #118 
  - I didn't think I'd make Vegan either, but it happened --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:07 PM   #309 
  - 1 critical reason for eating meat- it tastes so fucking good.  QuestionAll   Dec-23-07 12:46 PM   #111 
  - EATING MEAT IS ANTI-GAY!!  matcom   Dec-23-07 12:48 PM   #113 
  - LOL!  supernova   Dec-23-07 01:05 PM   #119 
  - I'm an omnivore who eats well  supernova   Dec-23-07 01:04 PM   #117 
  - Oh boy a PETA factsheet...  Feron   Dec-23-07 01:05 PM   #120 
  - I don't understand the people who will question everything  China_cat   Dec-23-07 01:46 PM   #134 
  - Animal-exploitation will go the way of our other problems if we all live long enough ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:11 PM   #311 
     - Factory farms producing grain  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-25-07 08:28 AM   #527 
  - Effects of meat on cognitive ability - Kenya study  kineta   Dec-23-07 01:15 PM   #123 
  - Um, we're talking about people with very poor nutrition.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 01:33 PM   #128 
     - You seem to have misread, or misinterpreted the information in the article  kineta   Dec-23-07 01:57 PM   #148 
        - It also raises question: did meat eating boost human intelligence  mainer   Dec-23-07 03:22 PM   #187 
        - It Certainly Involved More Problem-Solving Skills  Crisco   Dec-24-07 09:57 PM   #515 
        - No, I didn't.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 04:50 PM   #204 
        - Good luck at the grocery store - I just got back and it was a madhouse..  kineta   Dec-23-07 06:56 PM   #235 
           - I had to go to two stores.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 08:12 PM   #246 
              - My sympathies - after *one* store I felt like having a good cry.  kineta   Dec-23-07 10:10 PM   #310 
        - If true, this may be an advantage which shouldn't be taken and which does harm  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:13 PM   #313 
           - so it's better to be stupid and vegetarian?  mainer   Dec-24-07 07:15 AM   #407 
           - those children in Kenya are worth more than cows...  NorthernSpy   Dec-24-07 08:31 AM   #421 
           - Wow. I have to say that was one of the most disturbing posts I have read in a long time.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 11:41 AM   #461 
  - I agree with many points in this post, but from a consumer's standpoint,  Vinca   Dec-23-07 01:17 PM   #124 
  - What if an animal/dairy based diet kills you ? How expensive is that?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:16 PM   #315 
     - I'm not pimping meat, but a person has to eat something.  Vinca   Dec-24-07 07:10 AM   #405 
     - What a crock!  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:32 AM   #422 
  - Right on schedule.  smoogatz   Dec-23-07 01:29 PM   #126 
  - How many steaks is one child worth?  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:49 PM   #136 
  - Yes, I don't have kids either  pathansen   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #147 
  - I agree.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 02:01 PM   #152 
  - However, for those already here . . . animal-based diets are harmful for the planet ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:17 PM   #317 
     - "animal based"? Most of us omnivores don't base our diet on animals.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:19 PM   #319 
        - The levels of illnesses which stem from animal-based diets seem to suggest  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:24 PM   #360 
  - Vegetarians may actually contribute more to global warming  mainer   Dec-23-07 01:52 PM   #138 
  - The key is just to educate yourself about what you eat  jgraz   Dec-23-07 01:56 PM   #144 
  - I'm veg*n and I eat seasonally.  mycritters2   Dec-23-07 02:09 PM   #160 
  - Completely unsupported speculation.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 04:53 PM   #206 
  - No feed need be transported -- wild game is local.  mainer   Dec-24-07 07:13 AM   #406 
  - Yeah . . . having everyone out shooting animals would help us all --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:21 PM   #320 
  - I'm not a vegetarian, and I agree with alot of this  LostinVA   Dec-23-07 01:53 PM   #140 
  - Was this a mistake: "IF the humans are treated humanely in both life and death."  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:24 PM   #321 
     - Personally -- I can't hardly eat human veal, anymore  LostinVA   Dec-24-07 08:10 AM   #418 
  - Point by point  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 01:53 PM   #141 
  - No one has to eat soy to be a veggie ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:39 PM   #327 
     - e-coli is a bacteria which is found in fecal matter.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:58 PM   #336 
        - Fecal matter should not be used as fertilizer... and this is another problem  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:21 PM   #358 
           - Fecal matter can be used properly as a good fertilizer.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:25 PM   #361 
              - Why would you want anyone's fecal matter thrown on your veggie garden?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:48 PM   #368 
                 - You don't understand it very well. Manure is used in gardens, on farms.  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 12:17 AM   #371 
                    - Are you suggesting there aren't overall objections to using fecal matter as fertilizer?  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:31 PM   #503 
                       - No. I'm saying that there are ways of dealing with using manure for fertilizer.  uppityperson   Dec-25-07 07:59 PM   #539 
  - It's natural for people to eat bugs. But people don't eat bugs.  Evoman   Dec-23-07 02:10 PM   #161 
  - Some do  Retrograde   Dec-23-07 02:33 PM   #171 
  - Poutine is fucking awesome.  Evoman   Dec-23-07 02:41 PM   #174 
     - Nothing better on a cold, cold night  mainer   Dec-23-07 03:19 PM   #184 
  - Lots of people eat bugs.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 02:50 PM   #179 
     - I would definitely try escamoles...  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 05:16 PM   #213 
        - I'd try them as well.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 05:58 PM   #232 
  - I realize DU is a progressive board,  CrispyQGirl   Dec-23-07 02:11 PM   #162 
  - Rather, we need more information on vegetarian/vegan lifestyles than not ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:42 PM   #330 
  - Two words: BOWEL CANCER.  Perry Logan   Dec-23-07 02:15 PM   #164 
  - Let me add another: PROSTATE  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:45 PM   #331 
  - That runs in my family  slackmaster   Dec-25-07 10:07 AM   #532 
  - Agreed that our food supply is not healthy~  windoe   Dec-23-07 02:24 PM   #169 
  - well stated...prolly the best response yet.  ileus   Dec-23-07 02:54 PM   #181 
  - What of the planet --- can you address that? What of the violence?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:46 PM   #332 
  - Why is man so blood thristy?  Xenotime   Dec-23-07 02:25 PM   #170 
  - it is our nature  NorthernSpy   Dec-23-07 02:48 PM   #177 
  - That's a nonsense argument: What you would be saying is that nature is suicidal --- she's not!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 10:47 PM   #333 
     - No, it's saying that we learned an association between Red and edible.  nemo137   Dec-24-07 11:55 PM   #519 
  - Why do we have binocular vision?  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-24-07 01:35 PM   #481 
     - I believe we're omnivores too, but...  Kerry4Kerry   Dec-24-07 07:33 PM   #500 
  - #5 is wrong and #8 is just bullshit shoved down our throats by the food industry  AZBlue   Dec-23-07 02:35 PM   #172 
  - I don't think this post is offensive. It's just a list. I don't think the poster is telling anyone  Mountainman   Dec-23-07 02:41 PM   #175 
  - Except for the OP's subject line, you'd have a point  kineta   Dec-23-07 03:19 PM   #185 
     - Theres the truth right there.  ThePowerofWill   Dec-23-07 04:52 PM   #205 
  - I'm feeling more and more guilty every burger I eat. I'll cut down but christmas turkey is must.  cooolandrew   Dec-23-07 02:50 PM   #178 
  - Did you read/watch Bill Maher's comments on turkey --- ????  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:00 PM   #338 
     - Do you wear leather or wool or silk?  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:03 PM   #341 
        - I try not to . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:16 PM   #356 
           - It is all compromises.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:22 PM   #359 
              - No -- it's a matter of living with unpleasant compromises until you can find a better way ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:53 PM   #369 
  - Chimps eat meat. They even sometimes hunt the infants of other  tblue37   Dec-23-07 03:03 PM   #182 
  - Human beings the only primates that eat meat? Time to read up on biology, friend.  jpgray   Dec-23-07 03:21 PM   #186 
  - I'm a vegetarian and I find two of your points to be blatantly WRONG.  Alexander   Dec-23-07 03:37 PM   #189 
  - The Chinese seemed to do okay. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 03:51 PM   #192 
     - The Chinese eat a wider variety of animals than Americans.  Alexander   Dec-23-07 04:18 PM   #198 
     - Well, the China Study is an excellent book.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:22 PM   #215 
     - Yup. But it doesn't claim that all Chinese people are vegetarians.  Alexander   Dec-23-07 08:13 PM   #249 
     - You're right, it doesn't claim that the Chinese are vegetarians.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 08:41 PM   #260 
     - Mainland China's life expectancy is lower than in the US though  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:14 PM   #250 
        - But they also aren't turning gay or growing breasts in record numbers  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 08:42 PM   #261 
           - OMG, that is seriously retarded.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:06 PM   #345 
              - Beware thyroid issues and soy.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:08 PM   #347 
              - Having been in Asia, I can state categorically that East Asians do NOT eat as much soy as American  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-24-07 10:36 AM   #441 
              - Lay off the meat and put more effort into the soy.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:13 PM   #354 
                 - LOL. So beer will help? I can do that.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:34 PM   #364 
                    - And as George Castanza would say  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:36 PM   #365 
     - It's true.  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:09 PM   #244 
     - The Chinese eat a VERY small amount of soy.  AZBlue   Dec-23-07 10:38 PM   #326 
        - Funny, my Chinese wife begs to differ. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 10:48 PM   #334 
           - Off subject . . .  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:03 PM   #342 
              - She says it's a black tea.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:10 PM   #349 
                 - Thank you!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:14 PM   #355 
  - "If demand was greater, the cost would go down" -- Since when??  SmokingJacket   Dec-23-07 04:06 PM   #194 
  - Bull shit! A vegitarian diet is unnatural for humans and I can prove it. Vitamin B12  Wizard777   Dec-23-07 05:03 PM   #208 
  - Go read a book.  tofunut   Dec-23-07 05:07 PM   #210 
  - You can use supplements or yeast, soy milk is fortified with B12  pathansen   Dec-23-07 05:17 PM   #214 
  - Key point: its Fortified  provis99   Dec-23-07 09:28 PM   #286 
     - Brewer's Yeast is a vegetable source of B-12  kineta   Dec-23-07 10:16 PM   #316 
        - How do you use it --- is it sprinkled on other foods?  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:05 PM   #343 
           - Popcorn. Yum.  kineta   Dec-23-07 11:08 PM   #348 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-23-07 05:25 PM   #217 
  - "Jesus Christ" is thought by many to have been a vegetarian ---  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:05 PM   #344 
     - Do you really want to get into "Jesus Christ is thought by many..." here?  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:11 PM   #351 
     - Christ was an Essene.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 11:37 PM   #366 
     - Many are then incorrect..  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:42 AM   #424 
     - Like you could prove he exitisted in the first place let alone make me give a f***  YOY   Dec-24-07 10:45 AM   #444 
  - ZOMG! I R INSANE N DYING. KTHXBAI.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 05:48 PM   #226 
  - BUT ZOMG HE PROVED IT!!!!! n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:50 PM   #227 
  - e-coli in our intestines makes some B12. nt  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:10 PM   #350 
  - Please don't force your values on me!  JamesA1102   Dec-23-07 05:30 PM   #218 
  - Was there a vegan holding you at gunpoint forcing you to open this thread?  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:45 PM   #224 
  - You know, if the thread title was 8 Critical Reasons for a Higher Mileage Auto  flvegan   Dec-23-07 05:52 PM   #228 
     - IT'S MY CHOICE TO DRIVE A HUMMER!!!  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 05:54 PM   #230 
  - You misunderstood my intentions  pathansen   Dec-23-07 05:58 PM   #233 
     - You should change your original subject line then  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:01 PM   # 
        - Maybe I should have just suggested eating less meat  pathansen   Dec-24-07 04:26 AM   #388 
  - Couldn't live off of veggies alone.  Rex   Dec-23-07 05:38 PM   #221 
  - I'll continue to enjoy beef.  MrSlayer   Dec-23-07 05:54 PM   #231 
  - Same here.  Starbucks Anarchist   Dec-23-07 08:02 PM   #240 
  - Thanks for your post. I have been Censored. Bye bYe DU no more $  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:01 PM   #239 
  - Don't let it get to you DB1  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:06 PM   #242 
  - Thanks but I am gone.  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:12 PM   #247 
     - misplaced  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:11 PM   #352 
  - Didn't you say something like  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:13 PM   #248 
     - uh-oh. that's not very nice...  kineta   Dec-23-07 08:16 PM   #251 
     - **** Is what I said  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:20 PM   #252 
     - Oh, well that's MUCH different.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:26 PM   #254 
        - So the tone needs to be censored? Vote repug???  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:32 PM   #255 
           - JCOATH, most of us get a post deleted for going overboard for mods.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 08:36 PM   #256 
           - I find it ironic...  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:41 PM   #259 
              - It's not censorship.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:45 PM   #262 
              - Shame on you, you said shit.  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:52 PM   #265 
                 - Shame on me too.  Blue-Jay   Dec-23-07 09:28 PM   #285 
                    - Excellent! N?T  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:33 PM   #287 
              - This is a private and moderated website. Here's a link for you...  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 08:57 PM   #269 
                 - Thanks for the redundancy.  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:36 PM   #290 
                    - You are welcome  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:40 PM   #293 
           - Grow up.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:37 PM   #257 
           - Did you read my post before it was deleted?  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:50 PM   #264 
           - Yes I did. Would I take offense?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 08:55 PM   #266 
           - OK I But that does not make it right. I pay for this. The rules are too strict.  DB1   Dec-23-07 08:59 PM   #271 
              - Whoa. Wait a minute...you pay for what?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 09:10 PM   #275 
                 - OK OK OK  DB1   Dec-23-07 09:19 PM   #280 
           - take it up with the mods in a pm or email.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:01 PM   #272 
           - well, good think you didn't post something like that.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 08:59 PM   #270 
           - No...  Dorian Gray   Dec-24-07 12:20 AM   #372 
     - That's what they said  LostinVA   Dec-24-07 08:25 AM   #420 
  - I'll stick with my red meat, thanks.  karlrschneider   Dec-23-07 08:07 PM   #243 
  - Well said, and totally correct!  MyPetRock   Dec-23-07 08:45 PM   #263 
  - You've given some reasons, certainly,  LWolf   Dec-23-07 08:55 PM   #267 
  - Reason 9... Sanctimony  cgrindley   Dec-23-07 09:07 PM   #274 
  - Projection. Next?  flvegan   Dec-23-07 09:22 PM   #283 
  - No... believing in number 3 and 5 really do expose you as unedumacated  cgrindley   Dec-24-07 06:53 AM   #398 
  - LOL  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 08:49 AM   #425 
  - Great post. Judging from the flames, just remember . . .  The Stranger   Dec-23-07 09:40 PM   #294 
  - Seriously? Even with scientific backing proving wrong?  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 09:44 PM   #296 
  - As an aside:  tofunut   Dec-23-07 11:01 PM   #339 
  - Yes, there are benefits, aside from OP toutingness.  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 11:06 PM   #346 
  - That is practically the history of science -- proving prior scientific findings wrong.  The Stranger   Dec-24-07 08:42 AM   #423 
     - I'm not attacking "one element" but a bunch of it is wrong. If you're going to  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 02:07 PM   #486 
  - What part of that Ghandi quote covers "discussing some inaccuracies"?  Blue-Jay   Dec-23-07 09:48 PM   #298 
  - Oh great, not this shit again.  CRF450   Dec-23-07 10:01 PM   #307 
  - don't you find you're more fearful after eating meat??? LOL  ileus   Dec-23-07 10:24 PM   #322 
     - Honestly I dont see the point in these type of discussions  CRF450   Dec-23-07 11:45 PM   #367 
  - Where did you find these facts?  laurelbunny   Dec-23-07 10:19 PM   #318 
  - Here are some links  pathansen   Dec-24-07 04:35 AM   #390 
  - The biggest problem is factory farming  jgraz   Dec-23-07 10:31 PM   #324 
  - Potentially, that's possible best/worst scenario considered.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 10:42 PM   #329 
  - I agree with you that that is the biggest problem  uppityperson   Dec-23-07 10:59 PM   #337 
  - Learn to hunt and most of these points evaporate. nt  piedmont   Dec-23-07 10:42 PM   #328 
  - Brilliance. Nothing more, nothing less.  flvegan   Dec-23-07 10:57 PM   #335 
     - How about just be able to buy wild game?  mainer   Dec-24-07 07:17 AM   #408 
  - The threads two main points: harm to the planet and HEALTH issues . . . woefully neglected --- !!!  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:13 PM   #353 
  - I will admit, quite a few points in the OP are seriously flawed.  superduperfarleft   Dec-23-07 11:17 PM   #357 
     - The illnesses were developing around animal/dairy eating seem to suggest that  defendandprotect   Dec-23-07 11:56 PM   #370 
        - That's so dumb it hurts  cgrindley   Dec-24-07 09:57 AM   #436 
           - Perhaps you've noticed that we've made other species extinct --- ????  defendandprotect   Dec-24-07 08:21 PM   #502 
              - Get back to the commune, you dirty hippy  cgrindley   Dec-25-07 10:03 AM   #530 
  - I tried the vegetarian diet for a while  silverojo   Dec-24-07 12:21 AM   #373 
  - Maybe try B12 supplements or brewers yeast?  pathansen   Dec-24-07 04:29 AM   #389 
  - We should discuss growing CORN for 'bio-fuel'  kineta   Dec-24-07 12:42 AM   #376 
  - GoVeg.com - THAT sounds like a neutral resource...  MattSh   Dec-24-07 01:38 AM   #382 
  - With all the havoc that we as humans bring upon the earth,  Mendocino   Dec-24-07 01:39 AM   #383 
  - Why is hamburger meat so cheap when it takes that much fuel to make it?  Incitatus   Dec-24-07 03:33 AM   #386 
  - Government subsidies. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 11:26 AM   #455 
  - I am primarily vegetarian...  and-justice-for-all   Dec-24-07 04:37 AM   #391 
  - Modern people today are alienated from meat farming.  quantessd   Dec-24-07 06:09 AM   #397 
  - it goes further than that  Retrograde   Dec-24-07 01:13 PM   #471 
  - If you do not want to eat meat then don't  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:00 AM   #400 
  - You are probably not  Annces   Dec-24-07 07:02 AM   #402 
  - I usually like your answers  MrWiggles   Dec-24-07 07:24 AM   #410 
  - Good morning Mr. Wiggles!  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 07:31 AM   #411 
  - thank you. nt  lionesspriyanka   Dec-24-07 09:09 AM   #431 
  - "If you don't want to vote Republican, then don't."  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 10:03 AM   #437 
  - Wow that is quite a stretch there.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 10:35 AM   #440 
     - It's not a stretch just because you say so. n/t  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 10:49 AM   #445 
        - It is a stretch because it is a stretch-  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 11:11 AM   #449 
           - Okay, since this is the way you want to argue.  superduperfarleft   Dec-24-07 11:23 AM   #453 
           - You're a better person than I am...  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 12:48 PM   #465 
              - I'm going off on a completely different tangant now.  Marrah_G   Dec-24-07 12:55 PM   #466 
                 - Me too!  Juniperx   Dec-24-07 01:41 PM   #484 
  - As an agnostic, non religious meat eater, I'd say you are about half right.  quantessd   Dec-25-07 12:44 AM   #522 
     - I do actually give a shit  Marrah_G   Dec-25-07 10:07 PM   #543 
  - As a proud omnivore I feel the need to refute some of this  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 07:48 AM   #413 
  - K & R & Bookmarked.  TheGoldenRule   Dec-24-07 07:49 AM   #414 
  - It's the pesticides, petrol chemical fertilizers and  B Calm   Dec-24-07 10:13 AM   #438 
  - My strongest disagreement is with #5  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-24-07 10:41 AM   #442 
  - Shhhh dont let facts get in the way  DadOf2LittleAngels   Dec-24-07 09:49 PM   #514 
  - Buddhist monks are not all vegans either  slackmaster   Dec-25-07 09:58 AM   #529 
     - True. And the fact that the Dali Lama eats meat really sticks in *some* people's craw  kineta   Dec-25-07 09:35 PM   #541 
     - I attended a lecture by the Dalai Lama in about 1978 when I was an undergrad at UCSD  slackmaster   Dec-26-07 10:05 AM   #546 
     - Double true! The Tibetan monks we hosted LOVE meat  mainer   Dec-26-07 04:48 PM   #558 
  - Sorry. I'll eat whatever the hell I want  YOY   Dec-24-07 10:44 AM   #443 
  - Damn right!!!  Stuckinthebush   Dec-24-07 01:34 PM   #480 
     - Who the f*** said anything about an SUV?  YOY   Dec-25-07 07:08 AM   #523 
  - Bollocks.  TheWraith   Dec-24-07 11:07 AM   #448 
  - From now on, every time someone posts something like this  Snarkturian Clone   Dec-24-07 01:37 PM   #482 
  - "Human beings are the only primates that eat meat." Bzzrt. Wrong!  Akoto   Dec-24-07 02:01 PM   #485 
  - Does increased demand really drive prices down?  uppityperson   Dec-24-07 02:36 PM   #487 
  - incease competition and economy of scale  bettyellen   Dec-24-07 04:44 PM   #494 
     - You're assuming that economies of scale hold true for the agriculture market  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 07:44 AM   #526 
        - well that's how things have been shaking out with organic produce in the last 15 years...  bettyellen   Dec-25-07 10:04 AM   #531 
           - That's because until recently the organic market was very small  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 10:22 AM   #533 
              - so what would be stopping technology all of a sudden from innovating?  bettyellen   Dec-25-07 11:27 AM   #534 
                 - I think the original point was about what would happen if everybody became a vegetarian  Hippo_Tron   Dec-25-07 11:59 AM   #535 
  - Been a veg for the last 2 1/2 years. Still doing okay, but I had  Ilsa   Dec-24-07 06:11 PM   #499 
  - But pepperoni is soooo good!  Breeze54   Dec-24-07 08:37 PM   #505 
  - How does that work in Canada?  Orwellian_Ghost   Dec-24-07 08:58 PM   #508 
  - I get hassled over this issue by a waitress at my favorite restaurant.  mwb970   Dec-25-07 07:28 AM   #525 
  - To tell someone they will 'sicken and die' is very EVIL juju.  kineta   Dec-25-07 09:42 PM   #542 
  - I would speak to the manager  Marrah_G   Dec-25-07 10:11 PM   #544 
  - Item #5 is not correct  slackmaster   Dec-25-07 09:52 AM   #528 
  - Please don't tell me what to eat. No soy for health reasons,  48percenter   Dec-26-07 02:22 AM   #545 
  - Eating meat causes harm the way we do it now  OnionPatch   Dec-26-07 10:27 AM   #547 
  - friends mother went vegan, now has health problems  Prefer   Dec-26-07 05:10 PM   #559 
     - Good enough evidence for me!  Blue-Jay   Dec-26-07 07:58 PM   #563 
     - Could be a lack of nutritional knowledge, yes?  flvegan   Dec-26-07 08:07 PM   #564 
 

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