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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-20-07 10:26 AM
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24. The sixty votes excuse is getting really old. There has not been a
filibuster yet.

Hopefully we will get new leadership in the new year.
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  -What's with this "60-vote" bullshit !! kentuck  Dec-20-07 09:01 AM   #0 
  - I say let harry and nancy go for the motel  madokie   Dec-20-07 09:05 AM   #1 
  - The thought of them 2 in a motel, makes my coffee go cold.  lazer47   Dec-20-07 09:10 AM   #2 
     - my bad,  madokie   Dec-20-07 09:16 AM   #3 
  - You need 60 votes to stop a filibuster attempt and bring the measure to a vote  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Dec-20-07 09:17 AM   #4 
  - Well, if that is the case...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:21 AM   #6 
  - Yes, but since Senator Byrd took office shortly after the Civil War...  gilpo   Dec-20-07 09:24 AM   #9 
  - Well, you make a good point...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:25 AM   #10 
  - Why Has It Become So Prevalent  abluelady   Dec-20-07 09:37 AM   #16 
     - Basically, the Repubs are shutting down the government...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:39 AM   #17 
     - And by the actual filibuster, which they have just set the record for using.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:46 AM   #40 
     - We think too much.  gilpo   Dec-20-07 10:28 AM   #25 
     - Actual obstructionism  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Dec-21-07 06:47 AM   #110 
  - They have fillibustered 62 times already this year!  Ravy   Dec-20-07 11:35 AM   #34 
  - They have. The Republicans just set a record for filibusters.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:39 AM   #37 
  - You can't force an actual filibuster anymore  Hippo_Tron   Dec-20-07 01:24 PM   #70 
  - sure...  kenfrequed   Dec-20-07 09:29 AM   #13 
  - Right. We need to go to the media, and explain  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:41 AM   #39 
     - Parapraxis  kenfrequed   Dec-20-07 01:25 PM   #72 
  - The Republicans NEVER had a 60 vote majority....  bvar22   Dec-20-07 11:57 AM   #41 
     - We didn't have the balls to do what they're doing now.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 02:51 PM   #101 
        - Why?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 03:14 PM   #106 
           - Which is what we should be doing now.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 08:13 PM   #109 
  - Because he knows they'll filibuster contoversial bills  rucky   Dec-20-07 09:19 AM   #5 
  - How many times have they actually filibustered...?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:23 AM   #7 
     - 62  rucky   Dec-20-07 09:29 AM   #14 
     - No, Those Were Threats  Crisco   Dec-20-07 01:27 PM   #74 
        - That's what a filibuster is.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 02:51 PM   #100 
     - Dozens. They just set the record.  TwilightZone   Dec-20-07 10:56 AM   #31 
     - 62. Which is a record, and the session's only halfway over.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:39 AM   #38 
        - That's 62 Republican Filibusters  fascisthunter   Dec-20-07 01:39 PM   #80 
        - Wow! that was a quick filibuster!  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:51 PM   #86 
           - They'd been debating that for weeks.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 02:49 PM   #99 
              - Whose job is it to inform the public about what is happening?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 03:19 PM   #107 
        - edit  Marr   Dec-20-07 01:50 PM   #84 
  - Once again  PsN2Wind   Dec-20-07 09:24 AM   #8 
  - Excellent point.  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:28 AM   #12 
  - the "nuclear option" only applied to Judicial Appointments  AllegroRondo   Dec-20-07 09:40 AM   #18 
  - Yeah, make the rules as you go along...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:52 AM   #21 
  - The nuclear threat only pertained  cali   Dec-20-07 01:06 PM   #55 
     - The "nuclear threat" was language created by the Repubs...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:14 PM   #62 
  - Senate Rule 22 has an interesting history  slackmaster   Dec-20-07 09:26 AM   #11 
  - A bit from Wikipedia  kentuck   Dec-20-07 09:34 AM   #15 
  - It's called "BLOCK and BLAME!" n/t  FlyingSquirrel   Dec-20-07 09:44 AM   #19 
  - The irony is that he had 6 years of practical example of how to pass legislation  greyhound1966   Dec-20-07 09:45 AM   #20 
  - The problem is anything that does make it through gets vetoed anyway  AllegroRondo   Dec-20-07 10:11 AM   #22 
     - If there is any hope of combating the do-nothing label that's going to be pinned on  greyhound1966   Dec-20-07 10:17 AM   #23 
     - Then MAKE Bush VETO the bills!  bvar22   Dec-20-07 12:21 PM   #42 
        - Exactly ! Seems like a no-brainer, doesn't it??  K Gardner   Dec-20-07 01:20 PM   #66 
  - The sixty votes excuse is getting really old. There has not been a  dkofos   Dec-20-07 10:26 AM   #24 
  - That's right.  kentuck   Dec-20-07 10:30 AM   #26 
  - Wrong. Republicans just set a record for filibusters.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:38 AM   #36 
     - I have yet to see a filibuster in the senate this year. Threats do not  dkofos   Dec-20-07 01:01 PM   #52 
        - "Threats?" There have been 62 actual filibusters.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:02 PM   #54 
        - So you are telling me the dems could have done the same thing  dkofos   Dec-20-07 01:50 PM   #85 
           - Yes. I am. They should have and didn't.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:53 PM   #87 
              - They are doing NOTHING. Same as it ever was.  dkofos   Dec-20-07 02:01 PM   #93 
                 - 66.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 02:38 PM   #98 
        - then you're not paying attention  MonkeyFunk   Dec-20-07 01:14 PM   #61 
        - Paying attention to what??  dkofos   Dec-20-07 01:59 PM   #92 
           - umm  MonkeyFunk   Dec-20-07 02:25 PM   #96 
              - Capitulation is all I see.  dkofos   Dec-20-07 02:54 PM   #104 
        - The "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" Filibuster doesn't exist anymore  Hippo_Tron   Dec-20-07 01:28 PM   #75 
  - Yes, Congress has the power of the purse. Bush can't spend a  Rydz777   Dec-20-07 10:41 AM   #27 
  - Then it's also a game of courage...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 10:46 AM   #28 
  - Reid has to be gone as Leader  peaches2003   Dec-20-07 10:46 AM   #29 
  - Under the circumstances...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 10:51 AM   #30 
  - I say we push Dodd for leader.  loudsue   Dec-20-07 11:27 AM   #33 
  - We need to find  femrap   Dec-20-07 10:58 AM   #32 
  - He has been. The Republicans just set a motherfucking record for filibusters.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 11:38 AM   #35 
  - Are you talking about "actual" filibusters ??  kentuck   Dec-20-07 12:34 PM   #43 
     - I'm talking about actual filibusters, with cloture votes and everything.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 12:40 PM   #44 
        - Cloture vote is when a filibuster should begin - not when it ends?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 12:52 PM   #46 
           - It's the beginning and end of a filibuster.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 12:56 PM   #48 
              - No. It doesn't have to be one person.  kentuck   Dec-20-07 12:58 PM   #51 
                 - The Democrats could start calling sessions at random hours,  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:01 PM   #53 
                    - Are you saying that would accomplish nothing?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:07 PM   #56 
                       - They've already pulled overnight sessions this year.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:09 PM   #58 
                          - So the simple majority is dead forever....?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:24 PM   #69 
                             - At the moment, yes.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 02:53 PM   #102 
  - How on earth have we let them by with an AUTOMATIC THREAT to filibuster without the STIGMA of act...  charles t   Dec-20-07 12:50 PM   #45 
  - Absolutely !  kentuck   Dec-20-07 12:54 PM   #47 
  - No, they wouldn't do anything.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 12:57 PM   #50 
  - They have filibustered. They've set a record for filibustering.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 12:56 PM   #49 
     - If the Democrats had 62 seat majority...  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:08 PM   #57 
     - Our lack of party unity can be appalling, I agree.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:11 PM   #59 
     - I have been around long enough to remember when merely the THREAT to filibuster was not enough to...  charles t   Dec-20-07 01:33 PM   #77 
        - There is no "threat." They are actually filibustering. They have actually filibustered 62 times.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:44 PM   #82 
        - Who decides when the cloture vote will happen?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:55 PM   #89 
        - We do. What's your point?  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:58 PM   #90 
           - "filibustering" ourselves.?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 02:17 PM   #94 
              - They should be better communicating what's happening, yes.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 02:53 PM   #103 
        - You are right.  charles t   Dec-20-07 06:02 PM   #108 
        - Bingo!  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:49 PM   #83 
  - So they might as well stay the hell home?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:12 PM   #60 
  - Nah. They need to start applying political pressure.  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:16 PM   #64 
     - You have put your finger on it.  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:21 PM   #67 
  - "60 Votes Needed": Once, Almost Unheard of; Now Common--Bizarre  Hidden Stillness   Dec-20-07 01:16 PM   #63 
  - Everything is now "controversial" and requires 60 vote majority  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:19 PM   #65 
     - You want to change that?  tritsofme   Dec-20-07 01:26 PM   #73 
        - So how were the Republicans going to use the "nuclear option"  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:28 PM   #76 
           - It was a very narrow and controversial parliamentary procedure  tritsofme   Dec-20-07 01:34 PM   #78 
              - When did they distinguish between legislative and judicial filibusters?  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:37 PM   #79 
                 - The theory is that the constitution mandates that the Senate give  tritsofme   Dec-20-07 01:41 PM   #81 
                    - Advise does not mean they have to consent.  kentuck   Dec-20-07 01:53 PM   #88 
                       - If "advise and consent" means we don't have to consent,  Occam Bandage   Dec-20-07 01:59 PM   #91 
                       - That would be correct.  kentuck   Dec-20-07 02:20 PM   #95 
                       - Keep in mind that I am explaining this on their terms  tritsofme   Dec-20-07 03:09 PM   #105 
  - It takes 60 votes to invoke cloture, just 1 to defeat it.  tritsofme   Dec-20-07 01:24 PM   #68 
  - latest iraq funding vote...70 to 25....a shitload of democrats love this war.  spanone   Dec-20-07 01:25 PM   #71 
  - Shove Harry out the door, get a Dem with BRASS BALLS in there  DainBramaged   Dec-20-07 02:35 PM   #97 
  - Geeze what a sad state of affairs.  lonestarnot   Dec-21-07 07:13 AM   #111 
 

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