mike_c
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Tue Dec-18-07 12:30 PM
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| 13. not nearly different enough.... |
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Edited on Tue Dec-18-07 12:31 PM by mike_c
That's especially true WRT foreign policy, where along with environmental policy America's footprint on the planet matters the most. Or America's boot heel on the neck of the planet, as the case may be. They both represent greedy imperialism.
I think this question turns on the distinction between philosophical differences and political/leadership differences. Philosophically, the democratic party is quite different from the republican party-- it's able to attract liberal Americans SOLELY because of that philosophical distinction. But in practical terms, the political leadership of both parties serves other masters than the people, for the most part the same masters. Corporatism, the corruption of power, and personal greed are the order of the day for both parties' leadership.
Sure, I'd rather see dems in office than republicans, but I won't delude myself. Today's dem leadership is just another flavor of the same old same old.
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| -How similar are the two parties? Generally speaking, of course. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:21 PM |
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Rather than simply looking |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Dec-18-07 12:23 PM |
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But don't some politicians want to end the lobbyists and fundraisers? |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:25 PM |
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Oh definitely |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Dec-18-07 12:27 PM |
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So that means you don't think those changes can be implemented? |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:29 PM |
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What changes do you speak of? |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Dec-18-07 12:33 PM |
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Well how about just closing the revolving door |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:37 PM |
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I think if we could do away with corporate financing of elections |
bushwentawol |
Dec-18-07 12:25 PM |
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I agree that's the biggest problem... legalized bribery. (nt) |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:27 PM |
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Here is the ultimate |
ProSense |
Dec-18-07 12:36 PM |
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It's an objective question that can be verified with the raw data of voting records. |
LoZoccolo |
Dec-18-07 12:26 PM |
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Voting records include so much BS they become meaningless. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:28 PM |
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"Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan |
LoZoccolo |
Dec-18-07 12:30 PM |
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Instead of ranting about your pet peeve... how about telling me |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:32 PM |
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I don't think that reproductive choice is a small issue, for instance. |
LoZoccolo |
Dec-18-07 12:33 PM |
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I recognize your obsession with Nader is powerful. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:35 PM |
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what is "the big green lie" |
unpossibles |
Dec-18-07 12:30 PM |
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See #14. n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Dec-18-07 12:31 PM |
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"not a dime's worth of difference" n/t |
hfojvt |
Dec-18-07 12:32 PM |
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It's a distraction. Clearly there are big differences in many areas. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:32 PM |
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they are alike enough to keep me motivated to try to change things |
unpossibles |
Dec-18-07 12:28 PM |
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There's no chance I'd ever vote for a conservative... |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:30 PM |
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I think there's a stark disagreement between the parties on the uses of government. |
Perry Logan |
Dec-18-07 12:30 PM |
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Thank you! |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:33 PM |
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Difference between parties |
mac2 |
Dec-18-07 12:38 PM |
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I think the parties became way too similar on fiscal policy |
hfojvt |
Dec-18-07 12:30 PM |
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I'm betting that most of us can agree that fiscal policy is way out of line |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:38 PM |
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not nearly different enough.... |
mike_c |
Dec-18-07 12:30 PM |
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What an excellent point you make with respect to philosophy / practicality. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:39 PM |
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barely different at all |
leftofthedial |
Dec-18-07 12:33 PM |
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It seems many on both sides are waking up to the danger of corporate rule. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:40 PM |
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Gore would have taken the party to the left. |
Swede |
Dec-18-07 12:33 PM |
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Do you really think it's fear? |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:41 PM |
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Money does talk. |
Swede |
Dec-18-07 12:44 PM |
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THEY ARE ALL LAWYERS - THEY HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH EACH OTHER THAN WITH US!!! nt |
Traveling_Home |
Dec-18-07 12:41 PM |
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Lawyers in Congress are those.. |
mac2 |
Dec-18-07 12:44 PM |
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Excellent idea... |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:15 PM |
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I'm not sure how anyone can honestly say that there isn't much difference |
TwilightZone |
Dec-18-07 12:43 PM |
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Well I did say there's much difference in social policy. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:50 PM |
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That wasn't intended to be targeted at you personally |
TwilightZone |
Dec-18-07 12:57 PM |
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Yes, I agree that there is still substantial difference on tax policy. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:00 PM |
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And, yet, many on DU in '04 said that there was no difference between Kerry and Bush. |
TwilightZone |
Dec-18-07 01:11 PM |
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Yup... irrationality abounds. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:14 PM |
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I certainly agree with that. |
TwilightZone |
Dec-18-07 01:18 PM |
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Economically they are similar, social issues is where the difference lies. |
newportdadde |
Dec-18-07 12:54 PM |
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Well we do have a candidate like that... |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 12:58 PM |
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Oh come on, there were only TEN senators against giving spying immunity for telecoms |
Robbien |
Dec-18-07 12:57 PM |
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Thank you. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:03 PM |
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It's 10 out of 50 if you're talking Democrats. They voted against advancing the bill, more oppose |
ProSense |
Dec-18-07 01:09 PM |
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We are talking about one party rule here, so it is a hundred |
Robbien |
Dec-18-07 04:10 PM |
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they're different...and yet similar. nt. |
IndianaJones |
Dec-18-07 01:00 PM |
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You got your chocolate in my peanut butter. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:04 PM |
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one way they're similar...too much vanilla. not enough chocolate or peanut butter. |
IndianaJones |
Dec-18-07 01:07 PM |
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You know what... I... I think I do! |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:16 PM |
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There is the vehicle and then, there's the tenor. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-18-07 01:12 PM |
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Thank you. |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:14 PM |
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great differences in some areas - reproductive rights and others. |
ulysses |
Dec-18-07 01:19 PM |
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Thanks! |
redqueen |
Dec-18-07 01:22 PM |
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