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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-18-07 06:18 PM
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84. "Theft" accounts for $31.5bn in losses; how much are CEOs paid?
Retail managers? How much are sit-on-their-asses stockholders paid? hedge fund managers? mortgage brokers?

Let me make this clear from the outset: I don't condone theft. But I also consider, marxist that I am, the obscene profits of corporations, their high-level executives, and the firms that trade in stock of those corporations to be thieves as well.

But they aren't under surveillance. They aren't scrutinized. They aren't threatened with loss of a subsistence-wage job if they're caught STEALING a grape from the produce department.

The Wal-Mart store I worked at in the late 90s serves as an example, and just one out of many I could cite. The store manager -- I won't mention his name even though I'd love to -- routinely sent "associates" out to the parking lot to pick up empty packages, especially toys during the holidays, to be brought back in and recorded as "stolen" to boost store sales and his bonus. As a cashier, I caught several shoplifters, but they weren't stopped or held for the police or anything else, because the "proof" of their theft could be used to improve store profits and the manager's bonus. The attitude of the "associates" shifted from honesty to turning a blind eye. It wasn't that we "didn't want to be bothered." It was that we knew it wouldn't do any good. How did we know? Because we tried. I personally spoke with the district manager twice; he did nothing.

Understand, IdaBriggs, that these were for the most part very honest people. The DIShonesty of management changed them. We all knew the little black balls in the ceiling held cameras that were watching us all the time, and stealing so much as a pack of gum was grounds for firing. We watched as one of us was arrested -- yes, the cops called in to arrest her -- because she put a pair of shoes that had gone on sale in the back room so she could PAY FOR THEM later. This is against Wal-Mart policy: customers/guests always get first crack at merchandise, so an employee who puts something back for him/herself is a thief. This particular employee had not STOLEN anything from Wal-Mart, unless you want to count the 10% discount she'd have gotten on the sale, which a regular retail customer would have had to pay.

What management could do in terms of stealing was never going to show up on the surveillance cameras. They could mark items down that they wanted to buy, and they did. Oh, sometimes customers bought everything and the dept. managers never got to take advantage of their own markdowns, but far more often, they did. I remember one incident in particular: The dept mgr wanted an entertainment center, a cheap piece of crap like everything Wal-Mart sells, but still, he wanted it. So he waited a week or so, and while there were still some in stock he marked the price down 20%. Then he had a friend come in and buy one, at the reduced price, and two or three days later, the friend returned it as "damaged." There was nothing whatsoever wrong with it. After the return had been processed and the store wrote off the "loss," the dept mgr "bought" the "damaged" entertainment center for about 1/3 the original retail price.

I was the cashier who handled both the original sale and the return. The dept mgr was an acquaintance, and I knew his friend as well.

One of the cashiers, a young woman I worked with frequently, was routinely stealing cash. The rest of us cashiers all knew it, to the point that when we went on break we would pointedly ask that she not cover for us because our cash drawers would always come up short if she'd been in them. She stayed out of trouble by not stealing when she was the only person in a drawer, but the shortages when she shared with someone else were just too obvious. But we had reached the point where we didn't care. And we wouldn't report her because it had become our little form of revenge against management and their undetectable thievery.

Eventually she got caught. Management detected the pattern and kept her on a register where the surveillance cameras kept a close eye on her, and they videotaped her putting a ten dollar bill in her pocket. Unlike the associate in the shoe department who was publicly humiliated, the cashier was fired privately after her shift.

We knew many of the various ways customers stole, and we didn't care, because management didn't. They wouldn't go after shoplifters because it would make them look bad. But they had no compunction about going after employees.

I don't condone theft, but I despise this attitude of "we have to spy on them or they'll STEAL FROM US." It's a "guilty until caught" mentality. It presumes that everyone, at one time or another, is going to steal and the bosses have to be there to catch the culprit in the inevitable act, and never mind the huge thefts, the Enronian/WorldComian/GlobalCrossingian/Tyconian megathefts, the "I make $500 million a year as a hedge fund manager and I shouldn't have to pay taxes on it just because" thefts from the public purse.

I've worked for more than one boss who was so incompetent he literally couldn't do the job he was hired to do. In two blatant cases, they lied about their qualifications to get the job, then after being hired they manipulated all the "little people" into doing the work for them. In one other case, he was just a lazy sack of shit who bragged EVEN AFTER HE WAS FINALLY FIRED about how he collected a fat paycheck and did nothing. No surveillance camera is going to spot that kind of theft.

I don't doubt, IdaBriggs, that you've seen lots of theft and you're appalled at the pathetic excuses the thieves give when they're caught. But there are one fucking hell of a lot of "thieves" whose faces and sticky fingers never show up on the surveillance tapes, who never get caught, and who never have to make pathetic excuses or any other kind.

Over the past 30 years, I've lost at least four excellent jobs because I made the mistake of complaining about a boss who was robbing the company through incompetence, laziness, dishonesty, you name it. I've been self-employed since my husband's death two years ago, but rising costs of groceries, gas, utilities, taxes, etc., are pushing me back into the job market. I won't look for a "career" because I don't feel like being taken advantage of by the corporations or their minions in "management." And if I'm kept under surveillance like any other wage slave, I damn sure won't "rat" on my fellows. I may not cheer them on, but I won't protect the corporations either.


Tansy Gold

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  -You could lose everything within an eighth of a second. Sugar Smack  Dec-18-07 08:35 AM   #0 
  - Yep. I watch my back and put out feelers for a new gig. nt  iconoclastic cat   Dec-18-07 08:37 AM   #1 
  - That's what I'm doing, babe.  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 08:41 AM   #2 
  - Hate to hear that Sugar Smack.  gatorboy   Dec-18-07 08:44 AM   #3 
  - gatorboy! I'll try *hug!!!*  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 08:51 AM   #7 
  - I been through the same, hang in there, I cant talk about it now.  8643   Dec-18-07 08:45 AM   #4 
  - Naw. I'll hang in there.  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 08:57 AM   #11 
     - thanks Sugar (-:  8643   Dec-18-07 09:15 AM   #22 
  - no matter how hard it is to do remain positive about it all  madokie   Dec-18-07 08:46 AM   #5 
  - Madokie.  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 08:54 AM   #10 
  - Still fighting to the surface  shadowknows69   Dec-18-07 08:48 AM   #6 
  - The best of luck to ya, boyo.  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:04 AM   #14 
  - How do you cope with DUer's who wholeheartedly endorse surveillance of employees?  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 08:52 AM   #8 
  - OMG  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:02 AM   #12 
  - We have those....?  gatorboy   Dec-18-07 09:04 AM   #13 
  - Yes, we have those  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 09:07 AM   #17 
     - Some people are thieves. Some people are not.  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 10:15 AM   #46 
        - I'm willing to bet petty employee theft is nowhere near as costly as to what Corporate CEO's steal  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 11:08 AM   #48 
        - You would be on the losing side of that bet.  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 12:23 PM   #55 
           - I guess employers should pay better, then maybe people wouldn't steal so much.  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 03:01 PM   #56 
           - Hope the popcorn is good, because the logic isn't.  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 03:23 PM   #60 
              - Yeah, well you're logic is downright frightening!  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 03:26 PM   #61 
                 - and you're really messed up  DS1   Dec-18-07 03:33 PM   #65 
                 - Where am I defending employee theft? You're equally messed up chump!  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 03:36 PM   #66 
                 - Post #56 read that way  DS1   Dec-18-07 03:49 PM   #70 
                 - Oh really. And where are all these 'better jobs' of which you speak? /nt  readmoreoften   Dec-18-07 03:55 PM   #73 
                    - Besides the point  DS1   Dec-18-07 04:02 PM   #75 
                       - I think so, too. I think tattling on people who have a run in their hose is wrong, too. Here:  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 04:07 PM   #76 
                          - I think I have that same comforter  DS1   Dec-18-07 04:09 PM   #77 
                             - Hawhaw!!!  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 04:15 PM   #79 
                 - My father spent 30 years in law enforcement, and I spent time working  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 03:39 PM   #68 
           - That's what happens when you pay your employees minimum wage with no benefits  nonconformist   Dec-18-07 03:05 PM   #57 
              - You are wrong. Paying people more money doesn't stop those  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 03:31 PM   #64 
                 - Yeah! LET'S PUT CAMERAS EVERYWHERE - WATCH EVERYONE'S MOVE - IT'LL SOLVE ALL OF THE PROBLEMS!!!!!!  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 03:39 PM   #67 
                    - Perhaps your name should be "dramaqueen" instead of devilgrrl.  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 03:47 PM   #69 
                       - Perhaps you're name should be IdaAuthoritarian instead of IdaBriggs  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 03:56 PM   #74 
                          - ROFLMA! I like it!!!  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 04:11 PM   #78 
        - You are WRONG. I used to work in a restaurant in the 80s & the owners put a camera  TheGoldenRule   Dec-18-07 03:15 PM   #58 
        - So, let's go over this slowly:  IdaBriggs   Dec-18-07 03:54 PM   #72 
           - "Theft" accounts for $31.5bn in losses; how much are CEOs paid?  Tansy_Gold   Dec-18-07 06:18 PM   #84 
              - Great smack down  devilgrrl   Dec-19-07 01:36 PM   #85 
                 - Sorry, I have babies to take care of, and just got back to this thread.  IdaBriggs   Dec-20-07 12:14 PM   #86 
                    - Pot kettle black...  devilgrrl   Dec-20-07 01:16 PM   #87 
        - The thing about all the Big Brothering is that it's not just about reducing shrink.  backscatter712   Dec-18-07 05:09 PM   #82 
  - Me also, I'll support any human over any corporation.  8643   Dec-18-07 09:17 AM   #24 
  - I just don't get it. If someone doesn't trust someone else, why did they hire them?  bob_weaver   Dec-18-07 09:37 AM   #34 
     - Unless it's your business - you are a thief until proven otherwise  devilgrrl   Dec-18-07 03:27 PM   #62 
  - Retail widower, here.  rucky   Dec-18-07 08:54 AM   #9 
  - Will do, rucky.  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:06 AM   #15 
  - The FIRST 'job' of every worker is knowing where the NEXT job is.  TahitiNut   Dec-18-07 09:06 AM   #16 
  - I've GOT a journal *bounce*  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:09 AM   #19 
  - Can you repeat that?  BushDespiser12   Dec-18-07 09:15 AM   #23 
  - Those are all great suggestions.  raccoon   Dec-18-07 09:36 AM   #32 
  - Excellent advice, and one of the reasons I'm sending 15 past and present  Lorien   Dec-18-07 11:50 AM   #54 
  - Who Moved My Cheese?  dpbrown   Dec-18-07 09:08 AM   #18 
  - Dude!  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:11 AM   #21 
  - Great Book.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-18-07 09:41 AM   #40 
  - OMG, retail is a hell of paranoia  graywarrior   Dec-18-07 09:10 AM   #20 
  - Hey, guess what?  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:20 AM   #25 
     - Stein Mart. Jesus, you poor bastid.  graywarrior   Dec-18-07 09:25 AM   #27 
  - It's easier if you start at the bottom.  redqueen   Dec-18-07 09:20 AM   #26 
  - Thank you, sweetness.  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:27 AM   #29 
  - I'd have to wear "fuck you" undies if they watched my every move  Solly Mack   Dec-18-07 09:25 AM   #28 
  - SOLLY BABY!  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:30 AM   #30 
     - He's on holiday. My "elf this" elf is filling in while he's away.  Solly Mack   Dec-18-07 09:53 AM   #43 
  - Oh, I've been there  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-18-07 09:32 AM   #31 
  - Oh, Jesus. Will ya back me up when I walk out?  Sugar Smack   Dec-18-07 09:38 AM   #36 
  - "Busy work" they say as they rub their palms together like Scrooges.  graywarrior   Dec-18-07 09:40 AM   #38 
  - Where I worked, 6 consecutive weeks with 36 hours+ automatically  SoCalDem   Dec-18-07 09:46 AM   #42 
  - That happened to my friend.. She was 53 and had started there at 18  SoCalDem   Dec-18-07 09:37 AM   #33 
  - Hope you find something else. nt  raccoon   Dec-18-07 09:38 AM   #35 
  - I'm glad my retail job is pretty lax about that stuff  Saint Etienne17   Dec-18-07 09:38 AM   #37 
  - You're in Chapel Hill?  Stephanie   Dec-18-07 09:41 AM   #39 
  - Sugar Smack, best of luck to you....  antigop   Dec-18-07 09:44 AM   #41 
  - The emotional toll of working for jerks-high paying or low paying can destroy your health  terisan   Dec-18-07 09:54 AM   #44 
  - Independent mouse trap maker and breeder of the white-footed mouse.  0007   Dec-18-07 09:59 AM   #45 
  - House cat business?  JustABozoOnThisBus   Dec-18-07 10:22 AM   #47 
     - House cats to chase and get rid of the mice.  0007   Dec-18-07 11:27 AM   #49 
  - You will get through this.  missb   Dec-18-07 11:33 AM   #50 
  - About 600 of my coworkers went through the same. Making about $120,000  Lorien   Dec-18-07 11:40 AM   #51 
  - #1 - I went on unemployment for awhile.  FlyingSquirrel   Dec-18-07 11:43 AM   #52 
  - Your definitely not alone SS  supernova   Dec-18-07 11:46 AM   #53 
  - Start your own business. Sell on ebay or etsy and find other ways to sell your designs.  TheGoldenRule   Dec-18-07 03:21 PM   #59 
  - I did it after my academic career ended  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-18-07 03:51 PM   #71 
  - Oh, yeah,...been there. I got through it by repeating one mantra: it's temporary.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Dec-18-07 03:31 PM   #63 
  - Work Part-time For a Great Indie In Your Field  Crisco   Dec-18-07 04:17 PM   #80 
  - Life is a shit sandwich. The more bread you've got, the less shit you have to eat.  backscatter712   Dec-18-07 04:59 PM   #81 
  - A couple of the most human people I know  lwfern   Dec-18-07 05:50 PM   #83 
 

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