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Sat Dec-15-07 01:00 PM
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| 16. Torture is simply concrete population control. |
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If they were serious about al Qaida, they'd be in Northwest Pakistan right now -- where a new and improved training campus for multinational volunteers is being developed.
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| -Let us be clear. Torture is NOT an interrogation technique. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-15-07 11:45 AM |
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I wish it were so simple, but the opposition is sincere |
Fredda Weinberg |
Dec-15-07 11:54 AM |
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So unreliable info is useful? how so? |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-15-07 11:57 AM |
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Why don't you wait for an answer before insulting? |
Fredda Weinberg |
Dec-15-07 04:02 PM |
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Torture is always wrong, don't tell me otherwise. |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-15-07 04:21 PM |
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And I can't avoid historical reality, however I want things to have been different |
Fredda Weinberg |
Dec-15-07 11:28 PM |
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The motive of torture is to terrorize and to make the torturer feel good. nm |
rhett o rick |
Dec-15-07 01:55 PM |
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You are wrong. The torturer does not get gratification. This is not S&M |
Fredda Weinberg |
Dec-15-07 04:05 PM |
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No matter how 'sincere' the torturer, torture is fucking barbaric and ILLEGAL. |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Dec-15-07 11:42 PM |
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You're diluting the issue. I'm not interested in the professionals who |
Fredda Weinberg |
Dec-16-07 12:21 AM |
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Sorry I disagree. For an individual to torture another human being, they must be sick. Are you |
rhett o rick |
Dec-17-07 12:15 AM |
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If the U.S. tortures, our soldiers will be tortured when they are captured. |
patrice |
Dec-15-07 11:58 AM |
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I would love to see all the torture supporters in our government asked the question... |
MN Against Bush |
Dec-15-07 12:00 PM |
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Ultimate proof of no matter how you define "Victory", it doesn't |
patrice |
Dec-15-07 12:20 PM |
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Or, ask them what they think of the torture of American citizens |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-15-07 12:49 PM |
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Easy for them to answer. We are good and they are bad. What we do is for good |
rhett o rick |
Dec-15-07 01:57 PM |
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Do unto others... |
gulliver |
Dec-15-07 12:40 PM |
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It doesn't matter because the Bush mafia doesn't care about our troops |
Raksha |
Dec-15-07 01:04 PM |
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...And we will be laughed at when we try to prosecute such war crimes. n/t |
Orsino |
Dec-17-07 08:13 AM |
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Having had a job where I routinely |
realpolitik |
Dec-15-07 12:10 PM |
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You've either imagined that in excruciating detail or it's true. |
patrice |
Dec-15-07 12:35 PM |
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Didn't you see the reference to "ER" in that post? |
Raksha |
Dec-15-07 12:57 PM |
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This is an approach I have not seen before. |
old guy |
Dec-15-07 12:45 PM |
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Please accept my apology. |
patrice |
Dec-15-07 01:09 PM |
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It's ok man. |
realpolitik |
Dec-15-07 09:08 PM |
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I do Level 1 ER too... hello :-) |
K Gardner |
Dec-15-07 11:34 PM |
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How long you been at it? |
realpolitik |
Dec-16-07 12:55 AM |
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Twenty years, give or take a day or two. I take a breather |
K Gardner |
Dec-16-07 01:06 AM |
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no, it's torture. only a criminal would try to redefine his crime |
spanone |
Dec-15-07 12:46 PM |
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There is another element here that is important. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-15-07 12:47 PM |
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K & R - You are absolutely right! |
Raksha |
Dec-15-07 12:53 PM |
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It is if "bad information" is the objective. |
dailykoff |
Dec-15-07 12:56 PM |
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Torture is simply concrete population control. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-15-07 01:00 PM |
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You must have misspoken. |
RufusTFirefly |
Dec-15-07 01:01 PM |
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If a Democratic administration were accused of waterboarding, it would DEFINITELY be called torture. |
Perry Logan |
Dec-15-07 01:10 PM |
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I'm sorry, but the situation is more complicated |
Fredda Weinberg |
Dec-15-07 04:14 PM |
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I'll agree with your opinion, but only if you remove these electrodes from my nutsac |
Bucky |
Dec-15-07 01:58 PM |
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You have to be sick to be able to torture someone. Either you're sick before or you learn it from |
rhett o rick |
Dec-15-07 01:59 PM |
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Boiled frog |
Hydra |
Dec-15-07 03:05 PM |
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well put. n/t |
pberq |
Dec-15-07 03:22 PM |
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that the torture discussion has gone public is not an accident. the real powers that be are watching |
KG |
Dec-15-07 05:30 PM |
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You know, maybe this question has been answered here but I don't understand |
K Gardner |
Dec-16-07 01:09 AM |
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Some DUers have suggested |
CJCRANE |
Dec-16-07 05:43 AM |
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There were prisoners who saw cameras all over the place. n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-17-07 05:46 AM |
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k + r n/t |
deacon |
Dec-16-07 05:26 AM |
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You're explanation doesn't really cut it I think. |
Genanderson |
Dec-17-07 12:49 AM |
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Thanks for this post. Torture IS barbarism and it's purpose IS |
mmonk |
Dec-17-07 06:34 AM |
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It's at least not a particularly reliable one |
Hippo_Tron |
Dec-17-07 06:53 AM |
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US military rejects torture because it doesn't work |
OzarkDem |
Dec-17-07 07:01 AM |
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The surprising force behind torture: democracies |
flashl |
Dec-17-07 07:45 AM |
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It's also a valuable training technique.. |
Orsino |
Dec-17-07 08:08 AM |
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