TahitiNut
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Thu Dec-13-07 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #44 |
| 53. We're pretty much on the same page again - even though it's easy to not think so in reactive mode. |
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While I understand AND SHARE in the knee-jerk ("liberal") attitude that "Bubba" deserves little pity for confronting unfairness in hiring/employment in a "white male" society, the fact remains that corporatist profiteers EXPLOIT all sides of the discriminatory divide. That they've been able, particularly in the last 25 years, to 'game' the laws (by BUYING the law-makers and judges) to embed their power to exploit and pervert our social and economic systems seems inarguable to me. That some don't see it seems inexplicable to me.
One of the oldest perversions in "qualifying" people for benefits to which they're rightfully entitled is the creation of a "Forms Hell" as a barricade to admission. It's abominable. I've actually confronted one recently myself ... compounded by the out-sourcing of the application/facilitation process itself! It's truly insane. Without health insurance or the ability to pay for the 30 hours of hospital care I got due to my two TIAs, the hospital referred my situation to their out-sourced "advocate" ... whose job is to identify my qualifications for whatever federal or state programs that're available. So, what do they do? They send ME the forms and tell me to fill them out ... INCLUDING some blank forms that grant them powers an rights to access certain (but unspecified in the blanks) PRIVATE information on me AND to act as an "authorized agent" for me in some (unspecified in the blanks) ways. When I reasonably and calmly state my misgivings regarding signing blank forms, I'm THREATENED that I'd be refused their assistance in gaining such benefits - the VERY BUREAUCRACY that establishes the business niche in which they peddle their "services"!! The abject insanity of it just astounds me.
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| -English only in the workplace: mean-spirited and culturally ignorant! |
pink-o |
Dec-13-07 08:06 AM |
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Do you feel the same way about |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-13-07 08:08 AM |
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Where are you going with this question? |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 08:14 AM |
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Ha, ever worked in the Gardening business? |
SharkSquid |
Dec-13-07 08:17 AM |
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Sounds like at least 2 people spoke English |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 08:22 AM |
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I dont know how you gathered that |
SharkSquid |
Dec-13-07 08:27 AM |
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You said you worked there and needed a translator, |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 08:35 AM |
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Which is why it's okay to outsource our jobs to places no one speaks English. |
aquart |
Dec-13-07 09:40 AM |
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Oh, please! No one is saying there shouldn't be a working knowledge of English |
pink-o |
Dec-13-07 10:53 AM |
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So the fact that I can speak English AND Spanish AND Russian |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 11:59 AM |
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Yeah, that's the inference I got as well... |
pink-o |
Dec-13-07 12:27 PM |
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You might enjoy this post from my journal: |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 04:05 PM |
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You've just described every worksite I've ever worked |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 01:34 PM |
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Ooo, yes, the Old Testament. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Dec-13-07 02:12 PM |
#47 |
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My original question still stands. |
Le Taz Hot |
Dec-13-07 08:19 AM |
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How Impressive n/t |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 08:23 AM |
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no job in the US |
pink-o |
Dec-13-07 08:21 AM |
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I hope they do discourage people from learning the dreaded Spanish |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 08:25 AM |
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I love this cartoon: |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 08:38 AM |
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LOL! |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 08:43 AM |
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LMAO! Love it!!!! |
Solly Mack |
Dec-13-07 08:54 AM |
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It's a topic that attracts 90% mischaracterizations in virtually any 'discussion.' |
TahitiNut |
Dec-13-07 01:07 PM |
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Let's be real. Business practice differs from the law. |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 01:30 PM |
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Yes ... and there are some INTENDED elements of the law that enable law-breaking. |
TahitiNut |
Dec-13-07 01:54 PM |
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I couldn't agree more. When I was translating Workers' Comp cases, |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 02:05 PM |
#44 |
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We're pretty much on the same page again - even though it's easy to not think so in reactive mode. |
TahitiNut |
Dec-13-07 02:35 PM |
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Mofos! Have you found someone to navigate this with you? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 02:55 PM |
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TahitiNut, I know you're on the right side of the issue |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 04:46 PM |
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That simply would not be possible in my workplace. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-13-07 08:16 AM |
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Exactly! |
Kajsa |
Dec-13-07 09:08 AM |
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you are misreading the article |
Marrah_G |
Dec-13-07 09:12 AM |
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You're right. |
Kajsa |
Dec-13-07 09:17 AM |
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It doesn't say " you have to speak english" |
Marrah_G |
Dec-13-07 09:10 AM |
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Ah, I see. I'm not quite sure what the point of that would be... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-13-07 09:41 AM |
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Even these people don't speak English only |
Toots |
Dec-13-07 08:23 AM |
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For the language purists out there |
TlalocW |
Dec-13-07 09:02 AM |
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Yes, ale ovo pura misses the punto, to se mi zda. |
igil |
Dec-13-07 12:05 PM |
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But if you use your native language to deride the boss or someone else on your job |
pink-o |
Dec-13-07 01:45 PM |
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La troca = the truck |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-13-07 05:02 PM |
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They don't want people talking about them in a language they don't understand. |
porphyrian |
Dec-13-07 08:26 AM |
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That's definitely part of the motivation |
pink-o |
Dec-13-07 08:52 AM |
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These are the same kind of power mongers who persecuted people |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 08:58 AM |
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I lived in Chicago, so I know about how many languages are spoken around the country. |
porphyrian |
Dec-13-07 09:20 AM |
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The answer to your question is yes. |
mmonk |
Dec-13-07 09:08 AM |
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Many states are right to work |
Indy Lurker |
Dec-13-07 10:09 AM |
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Actually, what you are referring to is "at-will" employment |
thecatburgler |
Dec-13-07 10:36 AM |
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oops, my bad |
Indy Lurker |
Dec-13-07 11:11 AM |
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Sounds like it would be even less productive than otherwise... |
LanternWaste |
Dec-13-07 12:26 PM |
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Unless speaking Spanish/French/ German/Swahili/whatever... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-13-07 01:39 PM |
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What if the job "requirement" is that the current employees PREFER a language other than English ... |
TahitiNut |
Dec-13-07 01:58 PM |
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Then I guess the new employee should... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-13-07 02:02 PM |
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So, that means that American workers are refused jobs where they're qualified? |
TahitiNut |
Dec-13-07 02:16 PM |
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Maybe I'm not understanding your point of view... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-13-07 02:22 PM |
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I should add... |
TCJ70 |
Dec-13-07 02:08 PM |
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I had two people under me at one point who would speak Spanish to each |
Fuzz |
Dec-13-07 02:08 PM |
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Second-hand Esperanto KILLS!!! |
Oeditpus Rex |
Dec-13-07 02:19 PM |
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Only if there is a matter of safety involved. |
madinmaryland |
Dec-13-07 02:19 PM |
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Have you ever lived in a non-English-speaking country? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Dec-13-07 02:20 PM |
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I've experienced the same thing ..... several times. |
kwassa |
Dec-13-07 02:56 PM |
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In the neighborhood across Golden Gate Park from me |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 03:02 PM |
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Smacks of discrimination to me. |
KitSileya |
Dec-13-07 02:43 PM |
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THis question was adjudicated several years ago. |
Perragrande |
Dec-13-07 03:03 PM |
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What these facists are trying to do is control what you do with your mouth |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 03:05 PM |
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Speaking Spanish while sorting clothes - that's a national security threat! |
yardwork |
Dec-13-07 03:06 PM |
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How pathetic is that? |
sfexpat2000 |
Dec-13-07 06:44 PM |
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Pensylvania was a German colony |
Xipe Totec |
Dec-14-07 07:49 AM |
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Hoy día estamos al borde de un ataque de nervios re: los hispanohablantes en los EE-UU. |
nealmhughes |
Dec-13-07 03:35 PM |
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Things to remember: Don't eat lead paint. Travel. |
hunter |
Dec-13-07 06:36 PM |
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Sorry, I'm a free human being and will speak any language I wish, any where I wish, and any time I |
RGBolen |
Dec-14-07 08:44 AM |
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