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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:35 PM
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53. We're pretty much on the same page again - even though it's easy to not think so in reactive mode.
While I understand AND SHARE in the knee-jerk ("liberal") attitude that "Bubba" deserves little pity for confronting unfairness in hiring/employment in a "white male" society, the fact remains that corporatist profiteers EXPLOIT all sides of the discriminatory divide. That they've been able, particularly in the last 25 years, to 'game' the laws (by BUYING the law-makers and judges) to embed their power to exploit and pervert our social and economic systems seems inarguable to me. That some don't see it seems inexplicable to me.

One of the oldest perversions in "qualifying" people for benefits to which they're rightfully entitled is the creation of a "Forms Hell" as a barricade to admission. It's abominable. I've actually confronted one recently myself ... compounded by the out-sourcing of the application/facilitation process itself! It's truly insane. Without health insurance or the ability to pay for the 30 hours of hospital care I got due to my two TIAs, the hospital referred my situation to their out-sourced "advocate" ... whose job is to identify my qualifications for whatever federal or state programs that're available. So, what do they do? They send ME the forms and tell me to fill them out ... INCLUDING some blank forms that grant them powers an rights to access certain (but unspecified in the blanks) PRIVATE information on me AND to act as an "authorized agent" for me in some (unspecified in the blanks) ways. When I reasonably and calmly state my misgivings regarding signing blank forms, I'm THREATENED that I'd be refused their assistance in gaining such benefits - the VERY BUREAUCRACY that establishes the business niche in which they peddle their "services"!! The abject insanity of it just astounds me.

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  -English only in the workplace: mean-spirited and culturally ignorant! pink-o  Dec-13-07 08:06 AM   #0 
  - Do you feel the same way about  Le Taz Hot   Dec-13-07 08:08 AM   #1 
  - Where are you going with this question?  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 08:14 AM   #2 
  - Ha, ever worked in the Gardening business?  SharkSquid   Dec-13-07 08:17 AM   #4 
  - Sounds like at least 2 people spoke English  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 08:22 AM   #7 
     - I dont know how you gathered that  SharkSquid   Dec-13-07 08:27 AM   #12 
        - You said you worked there and needed a translator,  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 08:35 AM   #13 
           - Which is why it's okay to outsource our jobs to places no one speaks English.  aquart   Dec-13-07 09:40 AM   #26 
              - Oh, please! No one is saying there shouldn't be a working knowledge of English  pink-o   Dec-13-07 10:53 AM   #30 
              - So the fact that I can speak English AND Spanish AND Russian  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 11:59 AM   #32 
              - Yeah, that's the inference I got as well...  pink-o   Dec-13-07 12:27 PM   #35 
                 - You might enjoy this post from my journal:  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 04:05 PM   #62 
              - You've just described every worksite I've ever worked  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 01:34 PM   #38 
              - Ooo, yes, the Old Testament.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-13-07 02:12 PM   #47 
  - My original question still stands.  Le Taz Hot   Dec-13-07 08:19 AM   #5 
     - How Impressive n/t  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 08:23 AM   #8 
  - no job in the US  pink-o   Dec-13-07 08:21 AM   #6 
     - I hope they do discourage people from learning the dreaded Spanish  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 08:25 AM   #10 
        - I love this cartoon:  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 08:38 AM   #14 
        - LOL!  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 08:43 AM   #15 
        - LMAO! Love it!!!!  Solly Mack   Dec-13-07 08:54 AM   #17 
        - It's a topic that attracts 90% mischaracterizations in virtually any 'discussion.'  TahitiNut   Dec-13-07 01:07 PM   #36 
           - Let's be real. Business practice differs from the law.  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 01:30 PM   #37 
              - Yes ... and there are some INTENDED elements of the law that enable law-breaking.  TahitiNut   Dec-13-07 01:54 PM   #41 
                 - I couldn't agree more. When I was translating Workers' Comp cases,  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 02:05 PM   #44 
                    - We're pretty much on the same page again - even though it's easy to not think so in reactive mode.  TahitiNut   Dec-13-07 02:35 PM   #53 
                       - Mofos! Have you found someone to navigate this with you?  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 02:55 PM   #55 
                       - TahitiNut, I know you're on the right side of the issue  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 04:46 PM   #63 
  - That simply would not be possible in my workplace.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-13-07 08:16 AM   #3 
  - Exactly!  Kajsa   Dec-13-07 09:08 AM   #20 
  - you are misreading the article  Marrah_G   Dec-13-07 09:12 AM   #23 
     - You're right.  Kajsa   Dec-13-07 09:17 AM   #24 
  - It doesn't say " you have to speak english"  Marrah_G   Dec-13-07 09:10 AM   #22 
     - Ah, I see. I'm not quite sure what the point of that would be...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-13-07 09:41 AM   #27 
  - Even these people don't speak English only  Toots   Dec-13-07 08:23 AM   #9 
  - For the language purists out there  TlalocW   Dec-13-07 09:02 AM   #19 
     - Yes, ale ovo pura misses the punto, to se mi zda.  igil   Dec-13-07 12:05 PM   #33 
     - But if you use your native language to deride the boss or someone else on your job  pink-o   Dec-13-07 01:45 PM   #40 
     - La troca = the truck  Xipe Totec   Dec-13-07 05:02 PM   #64 
  - They don't want people talking about them in a language they don't understand.  porphyrian   Dec-13-07 08:26 AM   #11 
  - That's definitely part of the motivation  pink-o   Dec-13-07 08:52 AM   #16 
     - These are the same kind of power mongers who persecuted people  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 08:58 AM   #18 
     - I lived in Chicago, so I know about how many languages are spoken around the country.  porphyrian   Dec-13-07 09:20 AM   #25 
  - The answer to your question is yes.  mmonk   Dec-13-07 09:08 AM   #21 
  - Many states are right to work  Indy Lurker   Dec-13-07 10:09 AM   #28 
  - Actually, what you are referring to is "at-will" employment  thecatburgler   Dec-13-07 10:36 AM   #29 
     - oops, my bad  Indy Lurker   Dec-13-07 11:11 AM   #31 
  - Sounds like it would be even less productive than otherwise...  LanternWaste   Dec-13-07 12:26 PM   #34 
  - Unless speaking Spanish/French/ German/Swahili/whatever...  TCJ70   Dec-13-07 01:39 PM   #39 
  - What if the job "requirement" is that the current employees PREFER a language other than English ...  TahitiNut   Dec-13-07 01:58 PM   #42 
     - Then I guess the new employee should...  TCJ70   Dec-13-07 02:02 PM   #43 
     - So, that means that American workers are refused jobs where they're qualified?  TahitiNut   Dec-13-07 02:16 PM   #48 
        - Maybe I'm not understanding your point of view...  TCJ70   Dec-13-07 02:22 PM   #52 
     - I should add...  TCJ70   Dec-13-07 02:08 PM   #46 
  - I had two people under me at one point who would speak Spanish to each  Fuzz   Dec-13-07 02:08 PM   #45 
  - Second-hand Esperanto KILLS!!!  Oeditpus Rex   Dec-13-07 02:19 PM   #49 
  - Only if there is a matter of safety involved.  madinmaryland   Dec-13-07 02:19 PM   #50 
  - Have you ever lived in a non-English-speaking country?  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-13-07 02:20 PM   #51 
  - I've experienced the same thing ..... several times.  kwassa   Dec-13-07 02:56 PM   #56 
  - In the neighborhood across Golden Gate Park from me  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 03:02 PM   #57 
  - Smacks of discrimination to me.  KitSileya   Dec-13-07 02:43 PM   #54 
  - THis question was adjudicated several years ago.  Perragrande   Dec-13-07 03:03 PM   #58 
  - What these facists are trying to do is control what you do with your mouth  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 03:05 PM   #59 
  - Speaking Spanish while sorting clothes - that's a national security threat!  yardwork   Dec-13-07 03:06 PM   #60 
  - How pathetic is that?  sfexpat2000   Dec-13-07 06:44 PM   #66 
     - Pensylvania was a German colony  Xipe Totec   Dec-14-07 07:49 AM   #67 
  - Hoy da estamos al borde de un ataque de nervios re: los hispanohablantes en los EE-UU.  nealmhughes   Dec-13-07 03:35 PM   #61 
  - Things to remember: Don't eat lead paint. Travel.  hunter   Dec-13-07 06:36 PM   #65 
  - Sorry, I'm a free human being and will speak any language I wish, any where I wish, and any time I  RGBolen   Dec-14-07 08:44 AM   #68 

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