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205. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and Ayatollah Khomeini
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 03:21 PM by Oregonian
and Torquemada and George W. Bush also believe/d in a god.

"Faith" doesn't necessarily = "good"
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  -Not sure why the hostility here toward Christians and this lady who killed the shooter BullGooseLoony  Dec-10-07 10:19 PM   #0 
  - People are saying hostile things about her?  bluestateguy   Dec-10-07 10:23 PM   #1 
  - "Lady?" Perhaps. 'Woman'? Certainly. And she did the right thing. nt  MookieWilson   Dec-10-07 10:25 PM   #2 
  - News said she saved a lot of lives.  emilyg   Dec-10-07 11:57 PM   #58 
  - What's your distinction between "Lady" and "Woman"? I'm curious to know.  cherokeeprogressive   Dec-11-07 12:42 AM   #80 
     - All adult female humans are 'women'. A 'lady', is a well-behaved woman...  MookieWilson   Dec-11-07 07:31 AM   #96 
        - Seems to have been "well-behaved" on Sunday. nt  piedmont   Dec-11-07 10:59 AM   #116 
  - you missed the irony in your own post  provis99   Dec-10-07 10:27 PM   #3 
  - There's a lot more out there than what that guy did. nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 10:29 PM   #4 
  - I know, it's getting sickening. I am not a deeply religious person but  MiltonF   Dec-10-07 10:29 PM   #5 
  - We "secularists" are regularly denounced by public figures (Mitt Romney is the latest)  Oregonian   Dec-10-07 10:31 PM   #6 
  - We Pagans get awfully sick of the superiority of "Jesus" too.  KitchenWitch   Dec-10-07 10:34 PM   #7 
  - It isn't a sky daddy  laconicsax   Dec-10-07 11:03 PM   #31 
  - OMG - Can I convert now?  KitchenWitch   Dec-10-07 11:06 PM   #33 
  - Isn't it  MichaelHarris   Dec-10-07 11:53 PM   #57 
  - Is this how we describe the beliefs of Martin Luther King these days?  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:10 AM   #68 
     - Note that King's Christianity was Nonviolent. He taught love/forgive enemies, and killed no one.  terisan   Dec-11-07 09:06 AM   #106 
     - My point is that a belief in God is being denegraded here.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:33 PM   #162 
     - Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and Ayatollah Khomeini  Oregonian   Dec-11-07 03:21 PM   #205 
        - I have asserted the same thing.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 04:04 PM   #212 
  - And don't forget the virgin birth. Pardon my irreverance, but I  coalition_unwilling   Dec-11-07 02:52 PM   #176 
  - That stings a little, KW.  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 11:18 PM   #37 
  - I would imagine that that would be hurtful.  Midlodemocrat   Dec-11-07 01:06 PM   #146 
  - Well, that's bullshit too.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 10:35 PM   #9 
  - agreed. nt  sweets   Dec-10-07 10:40 PM   #13 
  - "irrational, anti-science, homophobic, sexist or racist notions" should  mzmolly   Dec-10-07 11:27 PM   #41 
  - Bingo. nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 11:33 PM   #47 
  - But if it comes into the public sphere it is fair game  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 12:54 PM   #137 
     - This OP wasn't about bringing religion into the  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:40 PM   #168 
  - delete posted in wrong place...  nebenaube   Dec-10-07 11:36 PM   #50 
  - Link Please?  Echos Myron   Dec-11-07 11:06 AM   #117 
  - I'm supposed to applaud "Gunfight At The O.K. Cathedral"?  FredScuttle   Dec-10-07 10:34 PM   #8 
  - You aren't  Mojorabbit   Dec-10-07 10:37 PM   #10 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-10-07 10:50 PM   #22 
     - Being a "hero" doesn't mean killing someone, at least in Christian  coalition_unwilling   Dec-11-07 02:55 PM   #179 
  - What offends me  Mythsaje   Dec-10-07 10:38 PM   #11 
  - Understood- it sounds like pride.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 10:45 PM   #16 
  - I understand why my "fate" is what it is  sleebarker   Dec-11-07 01:20 AM   #91 
     - I have to disagree with a number of your theories.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-11-07 01:34 AM   #93 
  - I think you understood what they mean perfectly, Mythsaje . . . .  stranger81   Dec-11-07 12:50 PM   #133 
     - Now it's bigotry to disdain religion?  Mythsaje   Dec-11-07 01:14 PM   #150 
        - No, should have clarified -- that last bit was certainly not directed at you,  stranger81   Dec-11-07 04:37 PM   #217 
           - Ah, gotcha.  Mythsaje   Dec-12-07 02:14 AM   #245 
  - It's not her actions,  opiate69   Dec-10-07 10:39 PM   #12 
  - Hear, hear!  blonndee   Dec-10-07 10:49 PM   #21 
  - Thanks.. the disconnect is so obvious, yet so many simply don't see it..  opiate69   Dec-10-07 11:25 PM   #38 
  - Spot on - that is precisely why I am so fed up with this thing...  Union Thug   Dec-10-07 11:11 PM   #35 
  - prezactly..  opiate69   Dec-10-07 11:29 PM   #43 
  - If you were a member of the Works family and believed in "God"  mzmolly   Dec-10-07 11:32 PM   #46 
  - She has the right to her feelings  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 12:57 PM   #138 
     - I don't give a shit if you call her an asshole or not.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:36 PM   #164 
        - Let me make it more clear, then  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 03:15 PM   #200 
           - Just like your three Priest friends?  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 03:56 PM   #209 
              - Not in the least  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 06:56 PM   #222 
                 - I don't know how anyone can judge the bird in question  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 07:21 PM   #227 
                    - I'll give you that much  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 07:24 PM   #228 
  - Precisely. It's the same as a football team praying to Him  blondeatlast   Dec-11-07 08:52 AM   #103 
  - Most sports players pray to do their best and not get injured  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-11-07 04:44 PM   #218 
  - Why get yourself worked up over something you have no control over?  slackmaster   Dec-11-07 09:18 AM   #109 
  - Thank you! It's the egocentricity of such claims to God that irks me. nt  libbygurl   Dec-11-07 09:36 AM   #114 
  - ...  RetroLounge   Dec-11-07 02:33 PM   #163 
     - ...  opiate69   Dec-11-07 02:48 PM   #172 
        - I wade in here sometimes...  RetroLounge   Dec-11-07 02:50 PM   #173 
           - LOL.. Freudian slip?  opiate69   Dec-11-07 02:51 PM   #175 
              - Oops  RetroLounge   Dec-11-07 03:02 PM   #189 
  - Two things to you: 1. don't generalize. 2. direct your chastising better  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 10:41 PM   #14 
  - I'm responding to a couple of rather long threads with many, many  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 10:46 PM   #18 
     - Well hey, I guess DU'ers all just hate Christians. Maybe you should have linked those threads...  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 10:50 PM   #23 
        - There were a lot of DUers being reasonable, as well.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 10:52 PM   #24 
           - Yeah, your post was uncalled for. n/t  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 11:00 PM   #29 
              - No, it really wasn't. I'm even seeing it IN this thread. nt  BullGooseLoony   Dec-10-07 11:05 PM   #32 
  - this is what i think and please feel free to flame away--ok?  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-10-07 10:41 PM   #15 
  - So what?  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 10:53 PM   #26 
  - i made my point.  chimpsrsmarter   Dec-10-07 10:57 PM   #28 
     - No, you didn't.  Harper_is_Bush   Dec-10-07 11:01 PM   #30 
  - Why didn't god step in  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 12:59 PM   #141 
  - But god didn't help her kill him, he shot himself  The Straight Story   Dec-11-07 02:37 PM   #165 
  - I saw her... and... I liked her  Truth Hurts A Lot   Dec-10-07 10:45 PM   #17 
  - She had a gun ,she used it, nuff said for the rightwing.  rwheeler31   Dec-10-07 10:53 PM   #25 
  - wow  drking81   Dec-11-07 12:44 AM   #81 
  - Dr. King wasn't  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:49 AM   #83 
     - Good for Dr. King!  drking81   Dec-11-07 12:55 AM   #86 
     - I'm sorry if the point of my post wasn't apparent to you.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 01:03 AM   #87 
        - Judging by the church she attends  drking81   Dec-11-07 01:11 AM   #88 
           - I admit to not knowing the background of this Church. But upon gazing at the picture of the  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 01:17 AM   #89 
              - Not the missionary in Arvada,  drking81   Dec-11-07 01:21 AM   #92 
              - I despise James Dobson with a deep passion.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:29 PM   #158 
              - So YOUR assumptions are not important  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 01:01 PM   #142 
                 - MY assumptions are as important as YOURS.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:27 PM   #157 
     - sorry, but I don't remember ever hearing about Dr. King carrying  stranger81   Dec-11-07 12:40 PM   #129 
     - I wasn't comparing him to the so called shooter. I was comparing him to others who  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:30 PM   #160 
     - If they're not closeted gays -n/t  coalition_unwilling   Dec-11-07 04:15 PM   #216 
  - I don't have any form of a "higher power" or source of strength other than myself.  Evoman   Dec-11-07 01:41 AM   #94 
  - I am not 'hostile' towards religion. I think they're con games, designed to separate people from  MADem   Dec-10-07 10:48 PM   #19 
  - No doubt she saved lives, but it's arrogant to say "god chose me"  1932   Dec-10-07 10:49 PM   #20 
  - She's an ex-cop.  oscarmitre   Dec-11-07 04:23 AM   #95 
  - And her attitude hurts you?  slackmaster   Dec-11-07 09:19 AM   #110 
     - It doesn't. But I think I'm allowed to make a comment on her theology.  1932   Dec-11-07 09:46 PM   #240 
  - I don't hate religion  sleebarker   Dec-10-07 10:55 PM   #27 
  - Christ and early christians never killed, they sacrificed themselves. Were they crazy or Christians.  terisan   Dec-10-07 11:08 PM   #34 
  - Thank you. I couldn't have said it better. nt  mycritters2   Dec-10-07 11:17 PM   #36 
  - The early Christians were GNOSTICS  undergroundpanther   Dec-11-07 12:32 AM   #78 
  - Can you give me some examples on how early Christians sacrificed themselves?  MiltonF   Dec-11-07 01:20 AM   #90 
     - Why do the atheists have to do the research?  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 08:07 AM   #99 
     - So many who claim Christianity know nothing about it. They have let themselves be led by false  terisan   Dec-11-07 09:01 AM   #105 
     - So 40 Christians were sentenced to death by their Government and they took the punishment.  MiltonF   Dec-11-07 10:57 AM   #115 
        - You can't even read very well.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 11:15 AM   #118 
           - My point is they were sentenced by a Government not some crazy ass individual.  MiltonF   Dec-11-07 11:30 AM   #119 
              - That would be your new revised point.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 12:04 PM   #124 
              - Which was in response to someone who said,  MiltonF   Dec-11-07 12:10 PM   #126 
                 - Which is exactly in the tradition of the early church.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 12:15 PM   #127 
                    - Again you Gave an Example of Christians being Executed by a Government  MiltonF   Dec-11-07 12:50 PM   #134 
                       - Execution is a form of murder.  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-11-07 08:11 PM   #236 
              - Is there a distinction?  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-11-07 08:06 PM   #234 
     - arrested by Romans to be tortured and killed .Let themselves be martyred for their faith. did not  terisan   Dec-11-07 08:52 AM   #104 
        - They died because they confessed Jesus as Lord, and wouldn't recant  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-11-07 04:55 PM   #219 
           - The early christians did not raise the sword to prevent their arrest. they let themselves be taken  terisan   Dec-11-07 07:06 PM   #225 
              - Look, I'm no fan of this kind of church, either  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-12-07 08:44 AM   #248 
                 - I am pointing out that Jesus was non-violent and that the path to that Christ-like life  terisan   Dec-12-07 10:36 AM   #250 
  - I admire what she did  fujiyama   Dec-10-07 11:27 PM   #39 
  - Some seem disappointed that more weren't murdered. n/t  QC   Dec-10-07 11:27 PM   #40 
  - Like who?  RetroLounge   Dec-11-07 02:39 PM   #167 
     - The ones who pretend to be mortified  QC   Dec-11-07 10:15 PM   #243 
     - Yes, me too.  RetroLounge   Dec-12-07 05:45 PM   #261 
     - It sure is.  drking81   Dec-11-07 11:52 PM   #244 
     - Your denial is bullshit  spoony   Dec-12-07 12:49 PM   #259 
        - 1 out 250 posts?  RetroLounge   Dec-12-07 05:44 PM   #260 
  - Nice post BGL.  mzmolly   Dec-10-07 11:28 PM   #42 
  - Her god-god-god assertions had me puke flying disgusted  eleny   Dec-10-07 11:30 PM   #44 
  - Why shouldn't she share her beliefs about what happened at a press conference?  mzmolly   Dec-10-07 11:35 PM   #48 
  - Because her beliefs are horrendously offensive.  opiate69   Dec-10-07 11:40 PM   #51 
  - So are yours, and mine  mzmolly   Dec-10-07 11:44 PM   #54 
  - Not to me.  emilyg   Dec-11-07 12:03 AM   #63 
  - So then, the idea that God intervened on her behalf  opiate69   Dec-11-07 12:10 AM   #67 
     - No.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:14 AM   #72 
        - Amen.  emilyg   Dec-11-07 12:51 AM   #84 
        - Thanks for adding to the conversation.  opiate69   Dec-11-07 12:53 AM   #85 
        - So God had nothing to do with her shooting that guy  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 01:05 PM   #145 
           - No, he actually shot himself.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:45 PM   #170 
              - Again, nobody's questioning her right to her belief system.  opiate69   Dec-11-07 02:47 PM   #171 
              - So, she wasn't supposed to mention her beliefs, just have them?  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 02:51 PM   #174 
                 - She can state her beliefs. We can state ours.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 02:55 PM   #178 
                    - I don't have a problem with what you just posted. You've stated your position respectfully.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 03:03 PM   #191 
              - So why didn't god have him shoot himself  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 03:03 PM   #192 
                 - You are apparently ascribing the belief system promoted by the officer in question to me?  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 03:06 PM   #195 
                    - No, I'm not.  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 03:16 PM   #202 
                       - I don't take issue with your steaming load of shit assertion.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 04:03 PM   #211 
                       - It's not foreign to me.  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 07:01 PM   #223 
                          - You inserted the word "hope" not me.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 07:17 PM   #226 
                             - hope...will...same diff  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 07:26 PM   #229 
                                - Thanks Goblinmonger.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 07:33 PM   #230 
                       - It doesn't matter, though.  BullGooseLoony   Dec-11-07 07:37 PM   #231 
                          - All we have is what she says  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 07:47 PM   #233 
  - Not to me.  Midlodemocrat   Dec-11-07 01:09 PM   #147 
  - So, I'm only allowed to opine on matters which directly affect me?  opiate69   Dec-11-07 02:40 PM   #169 
  - You're miserable, aren't you? And "unlucky" too, I bet****  Egalitariat   Dec-11-07 07:05 PM   #224 
     - Hmm.. nope.. thanks for the ignorant attempt at generalization though.  opiate69   Dec-12-07 08:36 PM   #262 
  - Did you see the entire press conference?  eleny   Dec-10-07 11:40 PM   #52 
  - I've seen people react to stress in various ways. But believing in God  mzmolly   Dec-10-07 11:52 PM   #56 
     - I have to wonder who was behind having her make the appearance  eleny   Dec-11-07 12:00 AM   #60 
        - I'm guessing reporters.  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 12:05 AM   #64 
        - If her pastor had an ounce of insiight he would have kept her out of the press conference  eleny   Dec-11-07 12:11 AM   #69 
           - You think a pastor has the power to order her around?  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 12:22 AM   #74 
              - My caveat: If he had an ounce of sense  eleny   Dec-11-07 11:33 AM   #120 
        - "I'm not tolerant of fundy wackos." Neither am I, because of their intolerance.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:19 AM   #73 
  - One can express their belief in God  opiate69   Dec-10-07 11:58 PM   #59 
     - So Jesus didn't claim that God intervened in the lives of others?  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:09 AM   #66 
        - No.. saying "God protected me, but not all these other people" lacks humility.  opiate69   Dec-11-07 12:13 AM   #70 
           - Depends upon how we define "protected."  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:25 AM   #76 
              - That's merely rationalization on their part.  opiate69   Dec-11-07 12:31 AM   #77 
                 - Indeed it is.  mzmolly   Dec-11-07 12:47 AM   #82 
  - my feeling is....  la la   Dec-10-07 11:50 PM   #55 
  - So what? Did she hurt anybody by what she said?  emilyg   Dec-11-07 12:03 AM   #62 
     - Her using the press conference as a pulpit disgusted me  eleny   Dec-11-07 12:07 AM   #65 
     - The OP asked 'why the hostility'. The answer has been repeatedly given.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 12:51 PM   #135 
        - But isn't that the exact opposite of what she did?  Marie26   Dec-11-07 01:24 PM   #155 
        - The irony of her stated claim was not lost on me.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 02:38 PM   #166 
           - Shrug  Marie26   Dec-11-07 02:57 PM   #180 
              - Deeds vs words  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 02:59 PM   #185 
                 - That's it exactly  Marie26   Dec-11-07 03:02 PM   #190 
                    - "said that she's an athiest & there's no God"  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 04:06 PM   #213 
                       - It'd be the same reaction for me too  Marie26   Dec-11-07 04:10 PM   #215 
        - It has always been my understanding  walnutpie   Dec-11-07 03:54 PM   #208 
  - Amen!  gatorboy   Dec-10-07 11:32 PM   #45 
  - This is typical of the attitude  treestar   Dec-10-07 11:36 PM   #49 
  - Religion is a mind sickness.  rAVES   Dec-10-07 11:41 PM   #53 
  - The universe is 99.999% benevolent?  geomon666   Dec-11-07 12:00 AM   #61 
  - I don't know  undergroundpanther   Dec-11-07 12:14 AM   #71 
  - A confluence of hypocrisy and darwinism.  greyhound1966   Dec-11-07 12:22 AM   #75 
  - yowtch.  undergroundpanther   Dec-11-07 12:34 AM   #79 
  - I'm fine with Christians who want to shoot each other.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 07:51 AM   #97 
  - One more monument to insurmountable bigotry  spoony   Dec-12-07 12:48 PM   #258 
  - I have known sociopaths who are religious  BoneDaddy   Dec-11-07 07:56 AM   #98 
  - Nice post  Marrah_G   Dec-11-07 08:13 AM   #100 
  - I can only speak from my experience  BoneDaddy   Dec-11-07 10:10 PM   #241 
  - Thank you. I don't know the answers but intend to enjoy trying to find them. nt  blondeatlast   Dec-11-07 11:36 AM   #121 
     - I have seen both sides of the argument and  BoneDaddy   Dec-11-07 10:11 PM   #242 
  - They seem to lack any humility  Breeze54   Dec-11-07 08:16 AM   #101 
  - Thanks for the update  eleny   Dec-11-07 11:40 AM   #122 
  - God and guns  Redneck Socialist   Dec-11-07 08:44 AM   #102 
  - its not just the religion factor -- there are so so anti-gun at DU that they can't be happy with her  aikoaiko   Dec-11-07 09:14 AM   #107 
  - I think people have a need to hate; the socially acceptable targets of hate change over time. nt  Romulox   Dec-11-07 09:16 AM   #108 
  - Good post, BGL  slackmaster   Dec-11-07 09:20 AM   #111 
  - It's the refusal to take responsibility to one's own actions that absolutely freaks me out.  readmoreoften   Dec-11-07 09:24 AM   #112 
  - Too many atheists here  midlife_mo_Jo   Dec-11-07 09:29 AM   #113 
  - So god chose to put the shooter into the church so that  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 12:19 PM   #128 
  - Were you trying to prove her point?  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 12:42 PM   #130 
     - Once again, my objection is to the disgusting claim that 'god put me there'.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 12:46 PM   #131 
        - I missed this football field miracle you speak off.  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 12:49 PM   #132 
           - Every saturday and sunday each fall all across this great land.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 12:54 PM   #136 
              - You're really fascinated with football it seems.  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 12:58 PM   #140 
                 - Soldiers are routinely told that God is on their side.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 01:13 PM   #149 
                    - Is that a football metaphor?  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 01:23 PM   #153 
                       - Idiots frequently have nothing to say... divine intervention?  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 02:29 PM   #159 
                          - And yet...You keep talking.....Believe it or not....  gatorboy   Dec-11-07 02:31 PM   #161 
  - Too often Christians "in here" like to bitch  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 01:11 PM   #148 
     - Being told that one's beliefs 'might be hockum' is not productive  Midlodemocrat   Dec-11-07 01:15 PM   #151 
     - OK I understand that  Goblinmonger   Dec-11-07 01:23 PM   #154 
        - I didn't assume anything like that.  Midlodemocrat   Dec-11-07 01:33 PM   #156 
     - It is bitching to bitch about other's religious beliefs, which is all you do here.  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-11-07 08:23 PM   #238 
        - Even IF it were all I do here  Goblinmonger   Dec-12-07 09:09 AM   #249 
  - Hear Hear BGL, And I'm Glad To See You Have Your Asbestos Undies On.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Dec-11-07 11:45 AM   #123 
  - Welcome back, OMC!  supernova   Dec-11-07 12:07 PM   #125 
  - YAY welcome back!  Withywindle   Dec-11-07 01:03 PM   #144 
  - Thank you!  nathan hale   Dec-11-07 12:57 PM   #139 
  - Great post, BGL.  Midlodemocrat   Dec-11-07 01:02 PM   #143 
  - Totally agree  Marie26   Dec-11-07 01:15 PM   #152 
  - For those bothered by her saying that God protected her:  TCJ70   Dec-11-07 02:53 PM   #177 
  - How about "the crazy person didn't shoot at her"?  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 02:57 PM   #182 
  - It wasn't God. The bible doesn't say god stops bullets, and if he's defeated by iron chariots  LeftyMom   Dec-11-07 02:59 PM   #186 
  - *gasp*  TCJ70   Dec-11-07 03:01 PM   #188 
  - Well, I wasn't there.  TCJ70   Dec-11-07 03:01 PM   #187 
  - "he missed"  LeftyMom   Dec-11-07 02:57 PM   #183 
  - Just look at it from her point of view  TCJ70   Dec-11-07 03:03 PM   #193 
  - Her bias toward irrational explanations does not make for a reasonable explanation. nt  LeftyMom   Dec-11-07 03:05 PM   #194 
     - Then wait for an official explanation  TCJ70   Dec-11-07 03:06 PM   #196 
  - Divine intervention...  opiate69   Dec-11-07 03:15 PM   #199 
  - Good fortune?  Bluebear   Dec-11-07 02:58 PM   #184 
  - Jules? Is that you??  opiate69   Dec-11-07 03:18 PM   #203 
     - If you don't like her explanation...  TCJ70   Dec-11-07 03:20 PM   #204 
     - Ah! I knew this all rang a bell.  endarkenment   Dec-11-07 04:09 PM   #214 
  - Because she's a stomach turner. I listened to her crap and mine turned.  lonestarnot   Dec-11-07 02:57 PM   #181 
  - "I took a moment to pray to the Holy Spirit"  Bluebear   Dec-11-07 03:07 PM   #197 
     - I believe it  Marie26   Dec-11-07 03:14 PM   #198 
        - I would think adrenaline and the task at hand would be more pressing.  Bluebear   Dec-11-07 03:16 PM   #201 
           - Oh, come on!  Marie26   Dec-11-07 03:34 PM   #206 
              - I wasn't bashing her, and I'm sorry you think I all are nuts. Ciao.  Bluebear   Dec-11-07 03:41 PM   #207 
              - Adios!  Marie26   Dec-11-07 04:01 PM   #210 
                 - Well miss it harder by all means.  lonestarnot   Dec-11-07 05:29 PM   #221 
                    - Hmmm  Marie26   Dec-12-07 08:25 AM   #246 
              - She fucking voted for bushitler and I think you're nuts.  lonestarnot   Dec-11-07 05:29 PM   #220 
                 - huh?  piedmont   Dec-11-07 07:42 PM   #232 
  - All violence is immoral. Government based on violence is an armed gang.  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-11-07 08:09 PM   #235 
  - It's not too late to pass S.1668  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-11-07 08:18 PM   #237 
  - Again, what is this about?  Leopolds Ghost   Dec-11-07 08:27 PM   #239 
  - I don't have TV and I knew about it.  TCJ70   Dec-12-07 08:29 AM   #247 
  - And now this is all moot. The gunman killed himself and what does  OmmmSweetOmmm   Dec-12-07 10:49 AM   #251 
  - You don't think...  TCJ70   Dec-12-07 10:51 AM   #252 
     - Do we know that she shot him multiple times now? It will interesting when all the facts come out.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Dec-12-07 10:56 AM   #253 
        - The only quote I've seen from her...  TCJ70   Dec-12-07 12:46 PM   #257 
  - I'm assuming everyone in here who agreed with the OP  Goblinmonger   Dec-12-07 11:51 AM   #254 
  - No  The Straight Story   Dec-12-07 11:58 AM   #255 
     - No  Goblinmonger   Dec-12-07 12:09 PM   #256 
  - hubby and i watching news heard story and BOTH he and i turn to each other  seabeyond   Dec-12-07 09:10 PM   #263 
 

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