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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 01:53 PM
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19. "OLD" is operative word
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  -Is Sweden Socialist? BayCityProgressive  Feb-18-07 11:16 PM   #0 
  - Define Socialist  MannyGoldstein   Feb-18-07 11:27 PM   #1 
  - The Swedes have realized that capitalism is good only if it's properly regulated.  IntravenousDemilo   Feb-18-07 11:39 PM   #2 
  - Socialism has nothing to do with state ownership of the means of production  1932   Feb-18-07 11:52 PM   #3 
  - Yes it does  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-19-07 06:08 AM   #8 
  - There is "Democratic Socialism"  deutsey   Feb-19-07 08:28 AM   #11 
  - Take a close look at the definitions  1932   Feb-19-07 08:54 AM   #13 
     - So although I supply copious references to public ownership of the means of production  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-19-07 09:09 AM   #15 
        - My point is that communism's central tenet is state control & ownership of the  1932   Feb-19-07 09:29 AM   #16 
           - I'll point you to Clause 4 of the old Labour Party constitution  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-19-07 11:07 AM   #17 
              - "OLD" is operative word  1932   Feb-19-07 01:53 PM   #19 
                 - Which means that social democrats are deviationists and not truly socialist  JVS   Feb-19-07 02:05 PM   #21 
                    - No. It means that political identities and ideas about politics evolve.  1932   Feb-19-07 02:32 PM   #22 
                       - Labour dropped it when Blair, a non-socialist, took charge in the 90s  muriel_volestrangler   Feb-19-07 03:32 PM   #24 
                       - Yes. SPD has also dropped it since disavowing Marxism at Bad Godesberg in 1958...  JVS   Feb-19-07 06:57 PM   #25 
                       - One man's selling out is another man's evolution  JVS   Feb-19-07 06:58 PM   #26 
  - State ownership of the means of production is, in theory, a defining part of socialism  LeftishBrit   Feb-19-07 11:20 AM   #18 
     - Two books I've read recently -- Parker's Galbraith bio and Stiglitz's second  1932   Feb-19-07 02:39 PM   #23 
  - They have also moved right or at least less socialist as of recent  Solo_in_MD   Feb-19-07 12:16 AM   #4 
  - Sweden is Socialist - not Communist  intaglio   Feb-19-07 01:27 AM   #5 
  - Kudos Sweden. I, for one, favor taxation to fund government support of national  pinto   Feb-19-07 01:36 AM   #6 
  - But after their "heavy taxes" the average person still makes more than the average American  Toots   Feb-19-07 08:39 AM   #12 
  - I think that to decide if you like such an arrangement or not  truedelphi   Feb-19-07 01:42 AM   #7 
  - It has socialist components  rman   Feb-19-07 06:21 AM   #9 
  - It's a Democrat Socialist country  LostinVA   Feb-19-07 06:37 AM   #10 
  - good one--and I want everyone to respond in this way to rude folk  librechik   Feb-19-07 09:06 AM   #14 
  - Sweden is a social democracy, but it is also capitalistic having  Cleita   Feb-19-07 01:57 PM   #20 
  - Sweden is not a socialist country. It is a social democracy with capitalism as its underpinning.  Selatius   Feb-19-07 07:18 PM   #27 

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