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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 11:53 AM
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63. I did not say that the only evidence against Nixon came from the impeachment hearings
Yes, much of the evidence came from the Senate Hearings. So what?

So, you're saying that people can easily understand a break-in, but they can't easily understand lying to Congress about reasons for going to war? Or illegally spying on American citizens, against U.S. law and our Constitution? And they can't understand violations of the Geneva Conventions? Or, is it that those crimes are considered less important than a break-in?

Nixon was on tape discussing his crime. Does that negate the fact that the evidence of Bush/Cheney crimes is overwhelming? Is being caught on tape the only kind of evidence allowed in a court of law?

Yes, the Senate was divided then along partisan lines. There were hardly any Republicans at first who came out against Nixon. But when the evidence began to accumulate, especially with the presenting of the tapes, Republicans coming out against Nixon were like an avalanche. Essentially, they were forced to acknowledge the evidence. There would have been at least 34 GOP Senators coming out against him.
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  -What if 34 GOP Senators Stubbornly Refuse to Convict Bush/Cheney of Impeachable Offenses? Time for change  Feb-18-07 07:06 PM   #0 
  - Clinton's impeachment was STRICTLY partisan.  EOO   Feb-18-07 07:11 PM   #1 
  - They cheapened the process  Dr_eldritch   Feb-19-07 10:54 AM   #58 
  - Impeach. Try. Convict. Remove. Imprison.  EOO   Feb-19-07 01:42 PM   #70 
  - You're exactly right about all of that  Time for change   Feb-19-07 05:12 PM   #82 
     - I remember reading a quote from, I think it was John Cornyn who said...  EOO   Feb-19-07 06:07 PM   #84 
  - Give it up, guys...  regnaD kciN   Feb-18-07 07:13 PM   #2 
  - No we won't give up!  Independent_Liberal   Feb-18-07 07:17 PM   #3 
  - It seems to me that the philosophy you're espousing here is that  Time for change   Feb-19-07 06:39 AM   #35 
  - NO  2008   Feb-19-07 07:43 AM   #47 
  - You missed the point.  IMModerate   Feb-19-07 01:12 PM   #68 
  - That's realistic, unfortunately.  Left Hook   Feb-19-07 03:25 PM   #73 
  - What do you mean, What if....Isn't it a foregone conclusion 34 wouldn't?  zara   Feb-18-07 07:23 PM   #4 
  - No, it's not a foregone conclusion at all  Time for change   Feb-18-07 08:07 PM   #13 
     - That's simply not a true  MonkeyFunk   Feb-19-07 11:22 AM   #59 
        - I did not say that the only evidence against Nixon came from the impeachment hearings  Time for change   Feb-19-07 11:53 AM   #63 
  - "Give them the rope they need to hang themselves with"  realpolitik   Feb-18-07 07:24 PM   #5 
  - Don't die. That's what the fascists want.  puebloknot   Feb-18-07 07:50 PM   #12 
  - Please stay alive and add to the voices who are speaking out  AikidoSoul   Feb-19-07 11:23 AM   #60 
  - It's not too late  Time for change   Feb-19-07 05:34 PM   #83 
  - Then we fail. But screw your courage to the sticking-plate, and we'll NOT fail.  WinkyDink   Feb-18-07 07:26 PM   #6 
  - Their political lives will depend on it after all the information comes out during the House  OmmmSweetOmmm   Feb-18-07 07:26 PM   #7 
  - It's not patriotic to support a dictator who LIED us into an unnecessary  B Calm   Feb-18-07 07:28 PM   #8 
  - "Give them the rope they need to hang themselves ..." -- IN_DEED.  understandinglife   Feb-18-07 07:33 PM   #9 
  - Makes sense to me  sandyd921   Feb-18-07 07:34 PM   #10 
  - That's exactly how I see it.  Time for change   Feb-19-07 06:36 PM   #86 
  - America, the Jaded!  puebloknot   Feb-18-07 07:40 PM   #11 
  - Recommend #1 for post #11  Egalitarian   Feb-18-07 09:20 PM   #21 
  - Thank you!  puebloknot   Feb-18-07 09:59 PM   #24 
  - That's a very on-target analogy  Time for change   Feb-18-07 11:14 PM   #25 
     - I have to wonder ...  puebloknot   Feb-18-07 11:21 PM   #26 
  - It's called pressure. Someone needs to put together a comprehensive list/story...  originalpckelly   Feb-18-07 08:17 PM   #14 
  - thanx  marions ghost   Feb-18-07 08:48 PM   #15 
  - While I'm For Impeachment  Southpawkicker   Feb-18-07 08:51 PM   #16 
  - If you're going to bring impeachment charges, charge them with everything  ItsTheMediaStupid   Feb-18-07 09:17 PM   #20 
     - It's Confusing To The Average American To Understand All Those Charges  Southpawkicker   Feb-18-07 09:21 PM   #23 
        - I have confidence that "Joe Average"...  puebloknot   Feb-18-07 11:32 PM   #29 
        - Yeah Well It Hasn't Happened Yet  Southpawkicker   Feb-18-07 11:52 PM   #30 
        - I think either way would work, and I see advantages to each approach  Time for change   Feb-19-07 02:05 AM   #32 
        - All that TV time focused on BushCo's crimes is a positive  ItsTheMediaStupid   Feb-19-07 02:28 PM   #71 
           - yes, but it seems to me that there could be far more damage if they're left alone  Time for change   Feb-19-07 03:28 PM   #74 
        - OTOH, the "average American" ---65% of them---understands enough to kick repukes out last election  wordpix   Feb-19-07 07:20 AM   #42 
  - Impeachment supporters at 58% (up from 51%)  Senator   Feb-18-07 09:10 PM   #17 
  - "wish the * pResidency is over" is not the same as "support impeachment"  wordpix   Feb-19-07 07:22 AM   #43 
     - It's better  Senator   Feb-19-07 08:05 AM   #50 
  - Those who refuse to convict, EMBOLDEN murderers and criminals...n/t  bobbiejo   Feb-18-07 09:14 PM   #18 
  - Spine is respected. Let us not fear it.  Egalitarian   Feb-18-07 09:17 PM   #19 
  - "what if..."????? try: "what happens when...?"  QuestionAll   Feb-18-07 09:21 PM   #22 
  - I firmly believe that if WE speak out-they HAVE to listen  w8liftinglady   Feb-18-07 11:27 PM   #27 
  - Our refusal to hold these criminals accountable --  BushDespiser12   Feb-18-07 11:31 PM   #28 
  - despite the desire to stop the madness...  frogcycle   Feb-19-07 12:33 AM   #31 
  - Well stated. A big kick, a hearty recommendation, and a question:  Mister Ed   Feb-19-07 04:14 AM   #33 
  - Here's a few:  Time for change   Feb-19-07 06:45 AM   #36 
  - You're Offering Legal Explanations For A Non-Legal Process  KharmaTrain   Feb-19-07 04:24 AM   #34 
  - I agree with you completely. In the end, impeachment is too good  Vinca   Feb-19-07 06:49 AM   #37 
  - No, I didn't offer just legal explanations -- I talked about the political issues as well  Time for change   Feb-19-07 07:04 AM   #38 
  - You're Missing The Point  KharmaTrain   Feb-19-07 07:14 AM   #41 
     - The impeachment process was written into our Constitution for a very good reason  Time for change   Feb-19-07 08:02 AM   #49 
        - Six Of One, Half A Dozen Of Another  KharmaTrain   Feb-19-07 08:15 AM   #52 
  - disagree: Constitution gives the Senate the power to TRY all impeachments--2/3 majority to convict  wordpix   Feb-19-07 07:28 AM   #44 
     - Time And Money Wasted  KharmaTrain   Feb-19-07 07:43 AM   #46 
  - If we had fair & verifiable elections we would never be in this mess. I wonder  mod mom   Feb-19-07 07:12 AM   #39 
  - Absolutely -- the world can't wait much longer  Time for change   Feb-19-07 12:14 PM   #66 
  - 100 Senators will not have any say in impeachment.  Warren Stupidity   Feb-19-07 07:12 AM   #40 
  - the good news is the House IS investigating---there are lots of committees doing this  wordpix   Feb-19-07 07:31 AM   #45 
  - It is and must be  POAS   Feb-19-07 08:22 AM   #53 
     - Sure there must be investigations  Time for change   Feb-19-07 09:05 AM   #54 
        - "Off the table"  POAS   Feb-19-07 09:42 AM   #56 
           - I hope not either -- I too have hope regarding this, but  Time for change   Feb-19-07 10:32 AM   #57 
  - Right  Time for change   Feb-19-07 03:40 PM   #75 
  - Impeach repuke senators  conscious evolution   Feb-19-07 07:58 AM   #48 
  - Senators are not subject to impeachment, they can only be expelled with a 2/3 vote  Freddie Stubbs   Feb-19-07 08:11 AM   #51 
  - IMPEACH NOW!  In Truth We Trust   Feb-19-07 09:26 AM   #55 
  - Impeach them all !!!!  jaksavage   Feb-19-07 11:29 AM   #61 
  - Excellent post.... K & R . --- You know of course that fear is what stands in the way  AikidoSoul   Feb-19-07 11:43 AM   #62 
  - Yes, I agree with all that -- unfortunately  Time for change   Feb-19-07 12:01 PM   #64 
  - Where Your Analogy to Criminal Prosecution Breaks Down  dbaker41   Feb-19-07 12:07 PM   #65 
  - The analogy doesn't break down  Time for change   Feb-19-07 03:46 PM   #76 
     - Prosecutors do it all the time  dbaker41   Feb-19-07 03:53 PM   #80 
        - They don't have to vote their consciences  Time for change   Feb-19-07 04:26 PM   #81 
  - Conviction of impeachment in the Senate is impossible until after another round of Senate elections.  w4rma   Feb-19-07 01:01 PM   #67 
  - If the American people become outraged after exposure to weeks or months  Time for change   Feb-19-07 03:48 PM   #77 
     - Loyalty to the Republican Party and the wealthy corporatists who will reward them golden parachutes  w4rma   Feb-19-07 03:49 PM   #79 
  - The first three paragraphs should be more than enough argument, for those who ...  eppur_se_muova   Feb-19-07 01:26 PM   #69 
  - IMPEACH NOW !  bonito   Feb-19-07 02:33 PM   #72 
  - That would be 33 repuke senators and 1 Joe Lieberman  MiniMe   Feb-19-07 03:48 PM   #78 
  - a few b/j's as opposed to war crimes..a bit of a difference  Swagman   Feb-19-07 06:18 PM   #85 

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