| 133. I'm sympathetic to your concern, but we just don't see that happening even though CCW is the norm |
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When I say CCW is the norm, I mean it is permitted in almost all states, but relatively few people avail themselves of the opportunity.
I look at CCW much like licensing people to drive cars. Sure, we all could start driving recklessly and kill each other, but we don't. Yes, there are some individuals who do and there are deaths and injuries as a result, but the answer is good initial training and law enforcement -- the answer is not not allowing people to drive in public. The analogy breaks down, of course, but you get my point Im sure.
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| -BREAKING: Major mall shooting at Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 02:58 PM |
#0 |
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The Decider was in Omaha today... |
bobthedrummer |
Dec-05-07 02:59 PM |
#1 |
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It doesn't sound like it is at all related... |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:08 PM |
#4 |
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Sort of like the "Mothman"? |
Wcross |
Dec-05-07 04:14 PM |
#57 |
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The local stations are doing wall-to-wall on the shootings, * is going to be ignored, |
LibInTexas |
Dec-05-07 04:16 PM |
#66 |
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wow |
okoboji |
Dec-05-07 03:01 PM |
#2 |
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Oh my. |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:03 PM |
#3 |
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I go there sometimes--scary stuff. |
wienerdoggie |
Dec-05-07 03:09 PM |
#5 |
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It feels like it's a mall Columbine. |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:11 PM |
#6 |
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I've been to that mall a lot. |
LibInTexas |
Dec-05-07 04:18 PM |
#68 |
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So have I |
proud2Blib |
Dec-05-07 05:05 PM |
#121 |
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Tis the season... |
Blue_In_AK |
Dec-05-07 03:13 PM |
#7 |
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Maybe a sales clerk accidentally said "Merry Christmas!" |
Wiregrass Willie |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#63 |
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Has anyone spotted Dick |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 03:19 PM |
#8 |
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Spotted Dick? |
Gruenemann |
Dec-05-07 03:24 PM |
#11 |
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lol! |
goodgd_yall |
Dec-05-07 03:25 PM |
#14 |
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Either that or a detective with acne! |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:40 PM |
#24 |
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This is an example of why I got my permit to carry a concealed weapon and carry. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 03:20 PM |
#9 |
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I will bet you a pint of Guinness Stout the mall has a "no weapons" policy posted |
slackmaster |
Dec-05-07 03:26 PM |
#15 |
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Ok. You're on. This was in Omaha, NEi think its an even money bet. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 03:30 PM |
#21 |
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In Michigan |
michreject |
Dec-05-07 03:44 PM |
#26 |
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There is DEFINITELY a no firearms policy & as a local resident I feel qualified to say keep your |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 03:58 PM |
#37 |
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My prayers are with you and your Mom. |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:02 PM |
#41 |
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Thanks. I'm typing so I can distract myself from the crying and the jitters |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:06 PM |
#44 |
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Hope she's OK |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 04:51 PM |
#99 |
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I hope your mother (and her group) are well. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:07 PM |
#47 |
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Way better to only let the nutcases carry them. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 04:13 PM |
#55 |
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No, it's way better to outlaw and confiscate them all!!! n/t |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#59 |
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we can't even keep them out of the hands of criminals |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Dec-06-07 06:31 AM |
#165 |
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Way better to glorify the culture of guns - it's WORKING OUT SO WELL. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#60 |
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Oh no... |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Dec-05-07 04:18 PM |
#69 |
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Please keep us posted. |
rucky |
Dec-05-07 04:18 PM |
#71 |
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does she live in a residential facility? maybe you could call reception |
renate |
Dec-05-07 04:26 PM |
#85 |
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People are dead and your making bets and cracking jokes? n/t |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:08 PM |
#49 |
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Yes I did, and I shouldn't have, but I noticed you didn't make the same comment above |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#62 |
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I didn't read a joke in his reply |
michreject |
Dec-05-07 05:35 PM |
#127 |
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Oh that would be a bright move |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 03:54 PM |
#33 |
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Naw, good guys can always outshoot bad guys. |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 03:56 PM |
#34 |
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If the Gungeon nutters had their way |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 03:59 PM |
#38 |
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ummm. did you miss the part where innocent bystanders were already being slaughtered |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:01 PM |
#40 |
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Typical cowboy in the white hat fantasy. Doesn't work out that way though. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:04 PM |
#42 |
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Do you read what you write? |
beevul |
Dec-05-07 07:15 PM |
#144 |
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So instead of having 5 dead |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:05 PM |
#43 |
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don't be such a fear mongerer. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:19 PM |
# |
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I don't live in fear, therefore, I don't need a gun |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:21 PM |
#77 |
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No. Remember, good guys never miss. |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 04:49 PM |
#96 |
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So putting more lead into the air is going to somehow lessen that number? |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 04:07 PM |
# |
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Amen Madhound! |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:11 PM |
#52 |
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I guess its just better to let the shooters shoot until they run out of ammo. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:11 PM |
#53 |
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There's a somewhat unofficial "rule" on DU that says defending yourself or others is verboten. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#58 |
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No, we just prefer to deal in reality rather than fantasy |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 04:50 PM |
#97 |
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Those odds don't apply to me. They might to you. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 05:01 PM |
#117 |
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LOL, yeah, right, whatever |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 05:44 PM |
#128 |
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Law enforcement: check, worked my way through college as a policeman. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 06:25 PM |
#134 |
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Somehow I doubt your claims |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 09:07 PM |
#153 |
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Tulsa, Oklahoma Police Department. I went through the Academy |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 10:09 PM |
#159 |
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Invalid choices. Are the only choices guns for all or let yourself be slaughtered? |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 04:51 PM |
#98 |
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No, it's much better if we confiscate them all |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:23 PM |
#81 |
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Question: police and miliary too? or just civilians? |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:29 PM |
#87 |
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Of course the police and military keep theirs |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:33 PM |
#88 |
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I think a good Liberal Dem and scholarly judges would only support the 2nd |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 04:43 PM |
#91 |
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I support the Second Amendment myself, and yes I own guns |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 04:55 PM |
#106 |
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I'm sympathetic to your concern, but we just don't see that happening even though CCW is the norm |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 06:23 PM |
#133 |
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You honestly don't beleive the Second in an individual right? |
I work for workers |
Dec-05-07 06:25 PM |
#135 |
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One good sniper with a flintlock |
michreject |
Dec-05-07 06:27 PM |
#136 |
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Look up the definition of "militia" before you spout off any more.. |
Ghost in the Machine |
Dec-05-07 06:48 PM |
#140 |
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Struck a nerve did I? |
hogwyld |
Dec-06-07 03:48 PM |
#169 |
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Ignorance *always* strikes a nerve.... |
Ghost in the Machine |
Dec-06-07 05:07 PM |
#170 |
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And resorting to personal attacks |
hogwyld |
Dec-06-07 05:35 PM |
#171 |
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How is trying to educate you about the errors in your thinking a personal attack? |
Ghost in the Machine |
Dec-06-07 05:59 PM |
#172 |
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Again, while the perp is changing the clip, you think that you can shoot and kill? |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 04:47 PM |
#93 |
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Yeah, but doesn't the "good guy" |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:53 PM |
#104 |
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You keep arguing as if someone said it would be easy.... no one did |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 06:57 PM |
#141 |
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No fantasy here friend |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 08:36 PM |
#148 |
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ok, I'm willing to learn -- cite me some studies that show what you claim. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 08:57 PM |
#149 |
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Cool, go to your local government records depository |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 09:11 PM |
#154 |
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I'll look, but why can't you cite one of these studies? |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 09:45 PM |
#156 |
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I just did. |
MadHound |
Dec-05-07 10:18 PM |
#160 |
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Ok, I see asking you to cite something means something different to you than me. |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 10:28 PM |
#161 |
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My bad, I don't remember the exact name |
MadHound |
Dec-06-07 05:49 AM |
#163 |
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It's a shame we can't run controlled experiments regarding this. |
Tesha |
Dec-06-07 06:28 AM |
#164 |
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Yeah.. that whole "defend myself" thing worked out great for Dan McKown. |
opiate69 |
Dec-05-07 06:14 PM |
#131 |
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fighting back is risky, but for some people its a better choice than running or hiding |
aikoaiko |
Dec-05-07 06:34 PM |
#138 |
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If she's not shooting at me, my gun stays put |
RGBolen |
Dec-05-07 08:32 PM |
#147 |
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This love of guns will kill us all in time I guess. |
izzie |
Dec-05-07 03:21 PM |
#10 |
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No |
goodgd_yall |
Dec-05-07 03:24 PM |
#12 |
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This is exactly why we need to confiscate them ALL! |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 03:57 PM |
#35 |
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You won't get mine. (gun or vote) |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#61 |
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Does that mean if an anti gun Dem is nominated |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:38 PM |
#90 |
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No it means I won't vote. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 04:55 PM |
#107 |
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So you will let this single issue decide for you? |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 04:57 PM |
#111 |
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Doesn't everyone have a deal-breaker? That happens to be mine. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 04:58 PM |
#113 |
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No, everyone doesn't come down to a single issue |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 05:01 PM |
#118 |
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Well, we all have our priorities I guess. |
karlrschneider |
Dec-05-07 05:12 PM |
#123 |
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Mine too.....nt |
michreject |
Dec-05-07 06:58 PM |
#142 |
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yup, give it all away because of 1 issue. |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 09:05 PM |
#152 |
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Unlike some here |
michreject |
Dec-06-07 03:23 AM |
#162 |
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Unlike some here, I have no intention of dying on my knees choking |
uppityperson |
Dec-06-07 11:26 AM |
#168 |
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Same thing as voting rethug in a way. n/t |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 05:21 PM |
#126 |
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Once again you show that you don't know what you're talking about.. |
Ghost in the Machine |
Dec-05-07 07:10 PM |
#143 |
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Which is worse, I wonder... |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 09:02 PM |
#151 |
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how about "uppity"? Is *that* an option? |
Ghost in the Machine |
Dec-05-07 09:13 PM |
#155 |
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I feel quite safe in my home that has more than 50 of them |
slackmaster |
Dec-05-07 03:27 PM |
#16 |
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Low crime? Lots of guns in every home? I wonder if it goes together? |
izzie |
Dec-06-07 06:40 AM |
#166 |
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If only the mall Santa was packin' heat......... |
Kingshakabobo |
Dec-05-07 03:28 PM |
#18 |
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I'm sure the mall Santa is happy with his penis size |
JulieRB |
Dec-05-07 09:53 PM |
#157 |
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My mom, a right wing Republican thinks gun ownership is out of control |
goodgd_yall |
Dec-05-07 03:29 PM |
#19 |
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I've been watching it for a couple hours. I drive by there all the time. Very tragic. |
Lil Missy |
Dec-05-07 03:25 PM |
#13 |
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Any bets that the shooter may be an Iraq vet with untreated PTSD? |
BeHereNow |
Dec-05-07 03:27 PM |
#17 |
| -
He sounds like one of those faux-militia types... |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:30 PM |
#20 |
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A former soldier was shot and killed this past summer in Minnesota |
NickB79 |
Dec-05-07 03:35 PM |
#22 |
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Sounds like a suicide by cop situation |
nonconformist |
Dec-05-07 04:20 PM |
#75 |
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Bush had better be praying for you to be wrong. |
Bozita |
Dec-05-07 06:20 PM |
#132 |
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My mom is in Omaha right now with a senior group and I know that shopping was on the agenda |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 03:39 PM |
#23 |
| -
Oh my goodness, let's hope you get word from her! |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:41 PM |
#25 |
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I keep calling but no answer. Omaha World Herald is reporting at least five dead now. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 03:47 PM |
#28 |
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The one death that's been widely reported was a man. |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:49 PM |
#29 |
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Two deaths confirmed. One in critical condition & other minor injuries. |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 03:53 PM |
#32 |
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Keep us posted...nt |
michreject |
Dec-05-07 03:46 PM |
#27 |
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Definitely will do. Police press conference is due up soon... |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 03:50 PM |
#30 |
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MSM is a little behind local media. 5 dead and at least 12 wounded |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 03:50 PM |
#31 |
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I am praying for your mom, as well as every one in the mall. |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 04:00 PM |
#39 |
| -
This is completely surreal. n/t. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:07 PM |
#46 |
| -
Keep positive thoughts & please let us know as soon as you |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 04:14 PM |
#56 |
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How close are you to Omaha? |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 04:23 PM |
#79 |
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I was able to raise her coordinator, Mom's fine. They left the mall before lunch. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:54 PM |
#105 |
| -
I'm so happy for you and your Mom |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:56 PM |
#110 |
| -
I am so happy for you. |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 05:00 PM |
#116 |
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glad to hear your mom's OK. nt |
Crabby Appleton |
Dec-05-07 06:03 PM |
#129 |
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I'm glad to learn that she was spared the trauma of being there later |
eleny |
Dec-05-07 07:54 PM |
#146 |
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While you wait, imagine talking to her on her phone this evening |
renate |
Dec-05-07 04:06 PM |
#45 |
| -
Call the police station. |
rucky |
Dec-05-07 04:20 PM |
#74 |
| -
Good vibes for your Moms safety, I can't imagine the feeling. |
Wcross |
Dec-05-07 04:21 PM |
#76 |
| -
You have them..... |
Buns_of_Fire |
Dec-05-07 03:57 PM |
#36 |
| -
I forget to turn mine on so often |
eleny |
Dec-05-07 04:27 PM |
#86 |
| -
Strong prayers coming your way |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:37 PM |
#89 |
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Nine people killed |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 04:08 PM |
#48 |
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i just heard that, 9? OMG. |
chimpsrsmarter |
Dec-05-07 04:10 PM |
#50 |
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Police state nine dead including the shooter. |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 04:10 PM |
#51 |
| -
I am interested to know WHO the shooter was- if an Iraq vet...well maybe |
BeHereNow |
Dec-05-07 04:15 PM |
#64 |
| -
Just heard that Bush was in Nebraska today |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 04:17 PM |
#67 |
| -
Then you agree with me about the possibility of the shooter being a vet, or perhaps a relative? |
BeHereNow |
Dec-05-07 04:19 PM |
#73 |
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Possibly because |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 04:53 PM |
#103 |
| -
Aw, Fuck! |
BeHereNow |
Dec-05-07 05:16 PM |
#125 |
| -
Nine plus the shooter |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 04:26 PM |
#84 |
| -
So sad |
SillyFlower |
Dec-05-07 04:12 PM |
#54 |
| -
Is this someone else who couldn't get mental health care? |
aquart |
Dec-05-07 04:16 PM |
#65 |
| -
LOCAL NEWS UPDATE: NINE CONFIRMED DEAD, INCLUDING GUNMAN |
Lil Missy |
Dec-05-07 04:18 PM |
#70 |
| -
Why don't these people just kill themselves and leave others alone? |
book_worm |
Dec-05-07 04:19 PM |
#72 |
| -
Because they are mentally ill? Clearly? |
BeHereNow |
Dec-05-07 04:22 PM |
#78 |
| -
That would be the ideal solution. |
Wcross |
Dec-05-07 04:23 PM |
#80 |
| -
Witness says he was shooting randomly, shot a teddy bear. |
Ilsa |
Dec-05-07 04:23 PM |
#82 |
| -
19 yr old white male according to MSNBC |
eleny |
Dec-05-07 04:25 PM |
#83 |
| -
So I guess he can't be a terrorist. |
The Stranger |
Dec-05-07 04:55 PM |
#109 |
| -
My mom is OK. They left the mall before lunch. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:47 PM |
#92 |
| -
Good news! |
wienerdoggie |
Dec-05-07 04:48 PM |
#94 |
| -
Thank goodness. |
globalvillage |
Dec-05-07 04:49 PM |
#95 |
| -
So she was there today? |
originalpckelly |
Dec-05-07 04:51 PM |
#100 |
| -
Great news n/t |
malaise |
Dec-05-07 04:51 PM |
#101 |
| -
Good, am very glad for you and her. Best wishes in a scary time. nt |
uppityperson |
Dec-05-07 04:52 PM |
#102 |
| -
what a relief! |
renate |
Dec-05-07 04:55 PM |
#108 |
| -
Too damn real. Too damn close. I want to dance, I want to cry, I want to throw up. |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 04:59 PM |
#115 |
| -
Fantastic!! I'll be sure to pass my prayers onto the others |
hogwyld |
Dec-05-07 04:57 PM |
#112 |
| -
That's good news Hoof, you must be so relieved! n/t |
Wcross |
Dec-05-07 05:07 PM |
#122 |
| -
My elderly mom lives in Omaha too. I didn't think she'd be shopping since the weather |
LibInTexas |
Dec-05-07 05:12 PM |
#124 |
| -
Thank goodness. (n/t) |
benEzra |
Dec-05-07 06:03 PM |
#130 |
| -
I'm very glad to hear that... |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Dec-05-07 10:08 PM |
#158 |
| -
My granddaughter works at the Omaha Westroads Mall |
frogmarch |
Dec-05-07 04:59 PM |
#114 |
| -
Your poor granddaughter. I am glad she is okay. |
Rainbowreflect |
Dec-05-07 05:03 PM |
#119 |
| -
I'm sorry your granddaughter had to go through that, I think anyone there had to be |
Hoof Hearted |
Dec-05-07 05:03 PM |
#120 |
| -
He was probably thinking that he was defending himself. It's the American way. |
AlinPA |
Dec-05-07 06:30 PM |
#137 |
| -
WOWT (ch6) reporting that the gunman was 19 yrs. old, HS dropout, and had just lost his job. |
LibInTexas |
Dec-05-07 06:39 PM |
#139 |
| -
ebay adverts for Omaha stuff at the end of this thread? WTF? |
AmanAplan |
Dec-05-07 07:29 PM |
#145 |
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I have the ads turned off (you can as a donor) so don't see them. But from |
LibInTexas |
Dec-05-07 09:01 PM |
#150 |
| -
If only he had been wearing an anti-war t-shirt mall security ... |
Sentinel Chicken |
Dec-06-07 06:43 AM |
#167 |
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