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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 04:23 PM
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16. I don't think a lot of the ID people get it, though.
They also don't get why pro-science people are so frustrated with and hostile towards them, which is largely due to them not understanding what science is in the first place. I have no problem with it in a religion class or philosophy debate, but it doesn't belong in a science class until they can properly use and understand the scientific method at the very least (and even then it would only be an unsupported hypothesis).
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  -My girlfriend just finished her EN101 report / pro-intelligent design in school mdmc  Dec-04-07 04:04 PM   #0 
  - There is a point to which the human mind can comprehend reality  Squatch   Dec-04-07 04:08 PM   #1 
  - nice touch my friend  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:12 PM   #3 
     - It doesn't belong in SCIENCE class, Jack. nt  impeachdubya   Dec-04-07 04:15 PM   #8 
     - That's like saying holocaust denial helps folks think outside the box.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 04:16 PM   #9 
        - No, the Holocaust happened  bamalib   Dec-04-07 04:28 PM   #17 
           - It's only a "theory" because it hasn't been proven yet.  pabsungenis   Dec-04-07 04:32 PM   #21 
           - Uh, a theory is never proved  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 04:41 PM   #26 
              - Is this true? A Theory can never be proved?  Mike03   Dec-04-07 04:52 PM   #34 
              - I think it's misleading to say a scientific theory can't be proved  magellan   Dec-04-07 10:35 PM   #70 
              - My general relativity prof  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 11:02 PM   #75 
                 - Yes, it's nuanced  magellan   Dec-04-07 11:23 PM   #76 
                    - What is the theory of an automobile?  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 11:52 PM   #80 
                       - thank you for your reply  mdmc   Dec-06-07 08:38 AM   #104 
              - Define "proof"  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 10:35 PM   #71 
              - You can never prove something 100%  IAmJacksSmirkingRevenge   Dec-05-07 08:33 AM   #98 
              - How about the shape of our planet  Mike03   Dec-04-07 04:59 PM   #38 
              - Good counter example  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 05:39 PM   #51 
                 - Reductio ad absurdum.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 05:44 PM   #54 
                 - Not at all  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 10:41 PM   #72 
                    - The Earth is not round!!  Swamp Rat   Dec-04-07 11:56 PM   #81 
                       - You left out gnomic projections, buddy!  The Traveler   Dec-05-07 12:31 AM   #83 
                          - "It is more like a wrapped tube like thingy."  Swamp Rat   Dec-05-07 12:49 AM   #85 
                             - Curse you!  The Traveler   Dec-05-07 01:01 AM   #87 
                                - I see you are a Carlin fan.  Swamp Rat   Dec-05-07 01:18 AM   #89 
                                   - You are correct, sir  The Traveler   Dec-05-07 01:45 AM   #91 
                                      - I'm watching "Seven Words" right now:  Swamp Rat   Dec-05-07 01:52 AM   #93 
                                         - I gotta get some rack  The Traveler   Dec-05-07 01:58 AM   #94 
                                            - Later alligator  Swamp Rat   Dec-05-07 02:10 AM   #95 
                 - '"Roundness" in the conventional sense presumes a 3-D geometry'  Vickers   Dec-04-07 06:48 PM   #65 
                    - Insults rarely illuminate  The Traveler   Dec-04-07 10:43 PM   #73 
                       - Thanks, Traveler  Blecht   Dec-05-07 12:49 AM   #84 
                       - Not sure I explained it very well  The Traveler   Dec-05-07 01:06 AM   #88 
                       - Oh, I apologize...where in my post did I mention "scientific method"  Vickers   Dec-05-07 06:42 AM   #96 
              - I thought it had more to do with testing and reproducibility  dotcosm   Dec-05-07 12:54 AM   #86 
                 - We almost agree  The Traveler   Dec-05-07 01:52 AM   #92 
           - Sorry, evolution happened.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 04:49 PM   #30 
           - Wrong! Evolution is a proven, verifiable fact.  RC   Dec-04-07 05:48 PM   #56 
           - There hasn't been any new science  Blue_In_AK   Dec-04-07 10:45 PM   #74 
           - That has to be one of the dumbest statements I have seen in a long time.  EstimatedProphet   Dec-05-07 09:21 AM   #101 
           - bamalib  RainDog   Dec-05-07 09:27 AM   #102 
  - I hope she's at least really attractive.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 04:10 PM   #2 
  - yes she is  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:14 PM   #6 
     - Wow. That's quite the dynamic progress.  quantessd   Dec-04-07 05:24 PM   #44 
  - Why does there HAVE to be anything before?  greiner3   Dec-04-07 04:13 PM   #4 
  - Speculation is the realm of religion and philosophy, not science.  porphyrian   Dec-04-07 04:13 PM   #5 
  - Agreed, my friend  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:18 PM   #11 
     - I don't think a lot of the ID people get it, though.  porphyrian   Dec-04-07 04:23 PM   #16 
        - I try to get it across to them via Buddhist creation myth  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:28 PM   #18 
           - I bet that makes some ears smoke. -n/t  porphyrian   Dec-04-07 04:31 PM   #20 
           - Thanksgiving dinner was interesting  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:35 PM   #23 
              - Aw, fat happy Buddha and baby Jesus would love each other... -n/t  porphyrian   Dec-04-07 04:47 PM   #28 
           - Strange. I'm a Buddhist, and that is not what I learned. NT  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:41 PM   #52 
              - I am sure that there are many different myths  mdmc   Dec-05-07 01:50 PM   #103 
  - Before the big bang, there was no stuff, as such  Warpy   Dec-04-07 04:14 PM   #7 
  - If she actually believes that stuff, I'd find a new girlfriend before you reproduce. n/t  IanDB1   Dec-04-07 04:17 PM   #10 
  - Who can afford to reproduce?  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:19 PM   #12 
  - The so-called "debate" about evolution doesn't have anything to do with the Big Bang.  impeachdubya   Dec-04-07 04:20 PM   #13 
  - agreed.  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:22 PM   #14 
  - Why do they call evolution a theory?  bamalib   Dec-04-07 04:30 PM   #19 
  - Because that's what it is.  porphyrian   Dec-04-07 04:46 PM   #27 
  - Hell, why do they call it the "theory of gravity" ??? I want scientific proof that it really exists!  tandot   Dec-04-07 04:48 PM   #29 
  - Same reason they call gravity, germs, color, etc. "theory"  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 04:50 PM   #31 
  - Oh, Jeez, Not this shit again.  impeachdubya   Dec-04-07 05:49 PM   #57 
  - Same reason they call gravity a theory  MN Against Bush   Dec-04-07 06:45 PM   #63 
  - You Misunderstand the Term  fascisthunter   Dec-04-07 07:06 PM   #68 
  - Yes, The Big Bang has everything to do with the ID debate  Mike03   Dec-04-07 04:36 PM   #25 
     - It's got nothing to do with Evolution.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 04:51 PM   #32 
     - Your posts are rather flatulent  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:14 PM   #42 
        - fact: Evolution has nothing to do with the big bang.  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 05:34 PM   #47 
           - Nevermind. You just don't get the obvious implications. NT  Mike03   Dec-04-07 06:47 PM   #64 
     - There is no "ID Debate". There are people who are trying to shoehorn shit for which there is no  impeachdubya   Dec-04-07 05:52 PM   #59 
        - Yes, among educated people, there is no debate.  Mike03   Dec-04-07 06:49 PM   #66 
  - Why is there something rather than nothing?  Jim__   Dec-04-07 04:23 PM   #15 
  - I empathize with your question about what came before the Big Bang  Mike03   Dec-04-07 04:34 PM   #22 
  - Thank you for your post my friend  mdmc   Dec-04-07 04:36 PM   #24 
  - The Anthropic Principle's going to destroy science?  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 04:52 PM   #33 
     - Your post is not all that helpful in ascertaining your  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:11 PM   #41 
        - "It has already divided the community of theoretical physicists, badly."  Bornaginhooligan   Dec-04-07 05:38 PM   #49 
           - You're making no sense.  Mike03   Dec-04-07 06:27 PM   #61 
           - Dear Bornaginhooligan,  Mike03   Dec-04-07 06:53 PM   #67 
  - From what I understand, there are theories  Katherine Brengle   Dec-04-07 04:57 PM   #35 
  - I sure agree with your third point  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:18 PM   #43 
  - Maybe you could expound upon the hypothesis used to develop the multiple universe theory  Toots   Dec-05-07 08:05 AM   #97 
  - Science is the study of the natural world.  mmonk   Dec-04-07 04:58 PM   #36 
  - Nature tells us we are able to REASON but collectively...WE DON'T  opihimoimoi   Dec-04-07 04:59 PM   #37 
  - Anyone who believes in creationism, please answer this question:  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:02 PM   #39 
  - You ask what is to be gleaned from the questions of a Creationist?  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:07 PM   #40 
  - Yes everyone looks for answers to things  mmonk   Dec-04-07 05:28 PM   #46 
     - Yes, thank you.  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:39 PM   #50 
  - Rec by the way--fascinating discussion.  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:24 PM   #45 
  - It also lends itself to thought processes  mmonk   Dec-04-07 05:41 PM   #53 
     - You are a great thinker: I always read your posts  Mike03   Dec-04-07 05:45 PM   #55 
        - Wow. Thanks, I wasn't expecting that.  mmonk   Dec-04-07 06:21 PM   #60 
           - Sorry for blurting that out like that, but it's true.  Mike03   Dec-04-07 06:32 PM   #62 
  - "Intelligent Design" is not science or scientific  BuffyTheFundieSlayer   Dec-04-07 05:38 PM   #48 
  - We can create, no one else can....  The Straight Story   Dec-04-07 05:50 PM   #58 
  - matter: neither created nor destroyed  kineneb   Dec-04-07 07:11 PM   #69 
  - Before the big bang there was a vengeful, jealous, wise old God in flowing white robes. Whenever you  Stop Cornyn   Dec-04-07 11:31 PM   #77 
  - Intelligent Design is positive proof  MetaTrope   Dec-04-07 11:42 PM   #78 
  - ID IS NOT SCIENCE!  SallyMander   Dec-04-07 11:42 PM   #79 
  - That's pretty much what I think, as well  Dorian Gray   Dec-05-07 08:45 AM   #99 
  - here's a question  Skittles   Dec-05-07 12:05 AM   #82 
  - Intelligent Design? Where?  hunter   Dec-05-07 01:19 AM   #90 
  - No. there is NOTHING to be gained from the creationist pov in science  RainDog   Dec-05-07 09:15 AM   #100 
  - god shouldnt be a default reason because one is not smart enought to find the real reason  lionesspriyanka   Dec-06-07 08:41 AM   #105 
  - This debate is like Pi....  pink-o   Dec-06-07 09:27 AM   #106 

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