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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 10:47 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. yeah, preemption is all the rage these days.
we treat all kids like potential criminals, plain and simple.
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  -I've had it with Zero Tolerance policies in schools. They are the most idiotic garbage ever. Elrond Hubbard  Nov-30-07 09:53 PM   #0 
  - Kids are "the way they are" because so many people  madeline_con   Nov-30-07 09:56 PM   #1 
  - Yes, I know that is a cause...I've seen some of the worst parents you can imagine in my work...  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:01 PM   #4 
     - The admin can be just as problematic  madeline_con   Nov-30-07 10:14 PM   #13 
        - That's absurd. A bomb threat warrants more than that.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:16 PM   #15 
           - He's just the type who'd flip out, too.  madeline_con   Nov-30-07 10:22 PM   #23 
  - How about threatened expulsion because two grade school  NYCALIZ   Nov-30-07 09:57 PM   #2 
  - My friends and I used to beat the crap out of each other in school.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:04 PM   #8 
  - No no no - families are breaking down because of Rosie and Janet's exposed nipple.  Rabrrrrrr   Nov-30-07 10:01 PM   #3 
  - You're wrong about that, dude.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:06 PM   #9 
  - Gay marriage, nipples and Charles Darwin  JenniferJuniper   Nov-30-07 10:35 PM   #33 
     - Mandatory 'praise Jesus' time! What a fantastic idea!  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:39 PM   #34 
  - I blame the tax structure  Progressive_In_NC   Dec-01-07 07:26 AM   #47 
     - taxes aren't the problem  provis99   Dec-01-07 11:57 AM   #48 
        - bingo. wages haven't risen to match inflation.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 12:49 PM   #51 
  - Zero tolerance  vpilot   Nov-30-07 10:01 PM   #5 
  - That's what it's become, tolerance means max penalties.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:03 PM   #6 
     - The alternative is, "Johnnie gets breaks because he's well connected" "Mike gets the shaft because..  JVS   Dec-01-07 11:21 PM   #63 
        - The best alternative is somewhere in between.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 11:44 PM   #65 
        - So you want playing favorites and iniquity, but only to a tasteful degree?  JVS   Dec-01-07 11:45 PM   #66 
           - No. But be realistic.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 11:47 PM   #67 
        - that's technically a red herring (but valid 2ndary concern)  NuttyFluffers   Dec-02-07 02:57 AM   #70 
  - It is about teaching the next generation  Mojorabbit   Nov-30-07 10:03 PM   #7 
  - When I was in school in the LATE 90'S things weren't like this!  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:07 PM   #10 
  - I think the ideal is a bit of both extremes.  lwfern   Nov-30-07 10:28 PM   #27 
     - Well, yeah, something needs to be done about bullying and harrassment...  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:31 PM   #30 
     - That wasn't my experience  Mojorabbit   Nov-30-07 11:21 PM   #41 
  - Yes, zero tolerance is one authoritarian's tool of control.  SimpleTrend   Nov-30-07 10:11 PM   #11 
  - Not just suspended, but possibly charged with a crime! As an adult!  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:15 PM   #14 
  - Just a guess: We've been watching too much TV  SimpleTrend   Nov-30-07 10:44 PM   #36 
  - yeah, preemption is all the rage these days.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:47 PM   #38 
  - It sounds as if this incident will put her on the state's sex offender registry  kgfnally   Dec-02-07 12:45 AM   #69 
  - zero tolerance  Thothmes   Dec-02-07 08:38 AM   #72 
     - I agree with some of what you say,  SimpleTrend   Dec-04-07 12:53 PM   #74 
  - Excellent rant, and you are quite correct: Kids are allowed to be  SeattleGirl   Nov-30-07 10:12 PM   #12 
  - Hell, when I was a kid, we did all kinds of stuff, and it wasn't that long ago!  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:19 PM   #19 
  - we know nothing of moderation these days  kagehime   Nov-30-07 10:17 PM   #16 
  - hell, i used to draw the most violent, obscene shit ever in art class...  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:22 PM   #22 
  - Lay This One Soley On Parents, IMO  Crisco   Nov-30-07 10:17 PM   #17 
  - Parents are a part of the problem...  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:20 PM   #20 
     - Littabitaboth?  Crisco   Nov-30-07 10:34 PM   #32 
  - It happened to my youngest son.  TomInTib   Nov-30-07 10:17 PM   #18 
  - Was he tested?  madeline_con   Nov-30-07 10:24 PM   #24 
  - I'm interested in hearing more, when you have the time.  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:25 PM   #26 
  - I went to high school in the late 1970's  JenniferJuniper   Nov-30-07 10:29 PM   #29 
  - It drives the teachers and guidance counselors I know crazy  thecatburgler   Nov-30-07 10:22 PM   #21 
  - I know, right? Heaven forbid...TALKING to them?? LISTENING to them??  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:24 PM   #25 
  - The other trend is letting the craziest parents influence school policy  Lydia Leftcoast   Nov-30-07 10:29 PM   #28 
  - Ha, when I was in school, I saw movies with nudity in them!  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:33 PM   #31 
     - When I was in eighth grade (1969), some of the English classes saw 'Romeo and Juliet'  Oeditpus Rex   Nov-30-07 11:48 PM   #43 
  - Strict black & white orders are always bad!  napi21   Nov-30-07 10:40 PM   #35 
  - As someone who works in education...  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 10:46 PM   #37 
  - I'm a teacher (15 years) and you people are right  Layla_Z   Nov-30-07 10:53 PM   #39 
  - It's sad, and pathetic...  Elrond Hubbard   Nov-30-07 11:07 PM   #40 
  - Good post and  GoneOffShore   Nov-30-07 11:36 PM   #42 
  - Life in a black and white, right or wrong, good or evil Puritanical culture  aint_no_life_nowhere   Nov-30-07 11:49 PM   #44 
  - Ahh, but then the Admin would have to let people make a rational decision  napi21   Dec-01-07 12:01 AM   #45 
  - That's what it comes down to...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 12:47 PM   #50 
  - Exactly. And the adults don't want to have to use any judgment  treestar   Dec-01-07 01:54 PM   #54 
  - The appropriate response in the picture taking incident:  Smith_3   Dec-01-07 07:08 AM   #46 
  - Sounds like an appropriate response.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 12:46 PM   #49 
     - Amazing, isn't it? In my school days...  Smith_3   Dec-02-07 12:44 PM   #73 
  - In 7th grade, my middle son was suspended for two weeks  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-01-07 01:51 PM   #52 
  - That's absurd. I guess he's lucky he escaped without criminal charges.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 09:13 PM   #59 
  - They only called the cops when he passed a note to a friend...  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-01-07 10:56 PM   #61 
     - Are you serious?  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 11:18 PM   #62 
        - Quite.  lumberjack_jeff   Dec-02-07 12:32 AM   #68 
  - I agree that the response was crazy but  Layla_Z   Dec-01-07 11:26 PM   #64 
  - Relax, it's only TRAINING for you police state.  Kansas Wyatt   Dec-01-07 01:54 PM   #53 
  - There won't need to be a lockdown.  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 09:13 PM   #58 
  - I think the last people to impliment zero tolerance were the Germans. Circa early 1940's.  EOO   Dec-01-07 02:03 PM   #55 
  - No: Idi Amin, Castro, the Hutu, the Janjaweed, Kim Jong-Il, the Taliban,  Rabrrrrrr   Dec-01-07 08:37 PM   #56 
  - The Nazis don't have an exclusive on evil...  Elrond Hubbard   Dec-01-07 09:12 PM   #57 
     - True. I forget about the Taliban.  EOO   Dec-01-07 10:38 PM   #60 
  - this is the triumph of literalism and obedience  NuttyFluffers   Dec-02-07 03:23 AM   #71 

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