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Fri Nov-30-07 10:12 PM
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| 12. Excellent rant, and you are quite correct: Kids are allowed to be |
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kids any more. When I was in grade school (started 1st grade in 1960), we always had "gun battles" and stuff, and no one ever got in trouble for that.
On the other hand, we were also taught to hide under our desks to protect ourselves from nuclear fallout, but I digress. I remember a lot of fun times from when I was a kid, playing games of all sorts, most of them ones that we made up. A few kids got in trouble, yes, but it was for things that actually WERE bad, like beating the crap out of another kid or something, NOT for forming ones fist into the shape of a gun, fer gawd sakes.
We live in such a goddamned nanny state, and there's no reason for it. It's just more trumped up fear.
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| -I've had it with Zero Tolerance policies in schools. They are the most idiotic garbage ever. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 09:53 PM |
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Kids are "the way they are" because so many people |
madeline_con |
Nov-30-07 09:56 PM |
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Yes, I know that is a cause...I've seen some of the worst parents you can imagine in my work... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:01 PM |
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The admin can be just as problematic |
madeline_con |
Nov-30-07 10:14 PM |
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That's absurd. A bomb threat warrants more than that. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:16 PM |
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He's just the type who'd flip out, too. |
madeline_con |
Nov-30-07 10:22 PM |
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How about threatened expulsion because two grade school |
NYCALIZ |
Nov-30-07 09:57 PM |
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My friends and I used to beat the crap out of each other in school. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:04 PM |
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No no no - families are breaking down because of Rosie and Janet's exposed nipple. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Nov-30-07 10:01 PM |
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You're wrong about that, dude. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:06 PM |
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Gay marriage, nipples and Charles Darwin |
JenniferJuniper |
Nov-30-07 10:35 PM |
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Mandatory 'praise Jesus' time! What a fantastic idea! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:39 PM |
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I blame the tax structure |
Progressive_In_NC |
Dec-01-07 07:26 AM |
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taxes aren't the problem |
provis99 |
Dec-01-07 11:57 AM |
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bingo. wages haven't risen to match inflation. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 12:49 PM |
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Zero tolerance |
vpilot |
Nov-30-07 10:01 PM |
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That's what it's become, though...zero tolerance means max penalties. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:03 PM |
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The alternative is, "Johnnie gets breaks because he's well connected" "Mike gets the shaft because.. |
JVS |
Dec-01-07 11:21 PM |
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The best alternative is somewhere in between. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 11:44 PM |
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So you want playing favorites and iniquity, but only to a tasteful degree? |
JVS |
Dec-01-07 11:45 PM |
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No. But be realistic. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 11:47 PM |
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that's technically a red herring (but valid 2ndary concern) |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-02-07 02:57 AM |
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It is about teaching the next generation |
Mojorabbit |
Nov-30-07 10:03 PM |
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When I was in school in the LATE 90'S things weren't like this! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:07 PM |
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I think the ideal is a bit of both extremes. |
lwfern |
Nov-30-07 10:28 PM |
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Well, yeah, something needs to be done about bullying and harrassment... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:31 PM |
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That wasn't my experience |
Mojorabbit |
Nov-30-07 11:21 PM |
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Yes, zero tolerance is one authoritarian's tool of control. |
SimpleTrend |
Nov-30-07 10:11 PM |
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Not just suspended, but possibly charged with a crime! As an adult! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:15 PM |
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Just a guess: We've been watching too much TV |
SimpleTrend |
Nov-30-07 10:44 PM |
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yeah, preemption is all the rage these days. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:47 PM |
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It sounds as if this incident will put her on the state's sex offender registry |
kgfnally |
Dec-02-07 12:45 AM |
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zero tolerance |
Thothmes |
Dec-02-07 08:38 AM |
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I agree with some of what you say, |
SimpleTrend |
Dec-04-07 12:53 PM |
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Excellent rant, and you are quite correct: Kids are allowed to be |
SeattleGirl |
Nov-30-07 10:12 PM |
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Hell, when I was a kid, we did all kinds of stuff, and it wasn't that long ago! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:19 PM |
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we know nothing of moderation these days |
kagehime |
Nov-30-07 10:17 PM |
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hell, i used to draw the most violent, obscene shit ever in art class... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:22 PM |
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Lay This One Soley On Parents, IMO |
Crisco |
Nov-30-07 10:17 PM |
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Parents are a part of the problem... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:20 PM |
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Littabitaboth? |
Crisco |
Nov-30-07 10:34 PM |
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It happened to my youngest son. |
TomInTib |
Nov-30-07 10:17 PM |
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Was he tested? |
madeline_con |
Nov-30-07 10:24 PM |
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I'm interested in hearing more, when you have the time. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:25 PM |
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I went to high school in the late 1970's |
JenniferJuniper |
Nov-30-07 10:29 PM |
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It drives the teachers and guidance counselors I know crazy |
thecatburgler |
Nov-30-07 10:22 PM |
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I know, right? Heaven forbid...TALKING to them?? LISTENING to them?? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:24 PM |
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The other trend is letting the craziest parents influence school policy |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-30-07 10:29 PM |
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Ha, when I was in school, I saw movies with nudity in them! |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:33 PM |
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When I was in eighth grade (1969), some of the English classes saw 'Romeo and Juliet' |
Oeditpus Rex |
Nov-30-07 11:48 PM |
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Strict black & white orders are always bad! |
napi21 |
Nov-30-07 10:40 PM |
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As someone who works in education... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 10:46 PM |
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I'm a teacher (15 years) and you people are right |
Layla_Z |
Nov-30-07 10:53 PM |
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It's sad, and pathetic... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-30-07 11:07 PM |
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Good post and |
GoneOffShore |
Nov-30-07 11:36 PM |
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Life in a black and white, right or wrong, good or evil Puritanical culture |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Nov-30-07 11:49 PM |
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Ahh, but then the Admin would have to let people make a rational decision |
napi21 |
Dec-01-07 12:01 AM |
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That's what it comes down to... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 12:47 PM |
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Exactly. And the adults don't want to have to use any judgment |
treestar |
Dec-01-07 01:54 PM |
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The appropriate response in the picture taking incident: |
Smith_3 |
Dec-01-07 07:08 AM |
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Sounds like an appropriate response. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 12:46 PM |
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Amazing, isn't it? In my school days... |
Smith_3 |
Dec-02-07 12:44 PM |
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In 7th grade, my middle son was suspended for two weeks |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-01-07 01:51 PM |
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That's absurd. I guess he's lucky he escaped without criminal charges. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 09:13 PM |
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They only called the cops when he passed a note to a friend... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-01-07 10:56 PM |
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Are you serious? |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 11:18 PM |
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Quite. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Dec-02-07 12:32 AM |
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I agree that the response was crazy but |
Layla_Z |
Dec-01-07 11:26 PM |
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Relax, it's only TRAINING for you police state. |
Kansas Wyatt |
Dec-01-07 01:54 PM |
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There won't need to be a lockdown. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 09:13 PM |
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I think the last people to impliment zero tolerance were the Germans. Circa early 1940's. |
EOO |
Dec-01-07 02:03 PM |
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No: Idi Amin, Castro, the Hutu, the Janjaweed, Kim Jong-Il, the Taliban, |
Rabrrrrrr |
Dec-01-07 08:37 PM |
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The Nazis don't have an exclusive on evil... |
Elrond Hubbard |
Dec-01-07 09:12 PM |
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True. I forget about the Taliban. |
EOO |
Dec-01-07 10:38 PM |
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this is the triumph of literalism and obedience |
NuttyFluffers |
Dec-02-07 03:23 AM |
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