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Superman Returns Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-17-07 03:11 PM
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7. well, here come the Nader insults
Edited on Sat Feb-17-07 03:14 PM by Superman Returns
I understand people are upset with Nader over 2000. I was too. No one can say that the world wouldn't be a different place today if Nader didn't run for President, giving Al Gore enough votes to win.

But lets look past that for a minute. Why can't he run? Its his legal RIGHT if he chooses to. And if there are those that CHOOSE to vote for his candidacy and agenda, and cause the Dems to narrowly lose, its not Nader's fault. Its the fault of the Democratic candidate that didn't appeal to that particular person.

Hasn't Nader been largely right about the domination corporations have over our political system? Hasn't he been right regarding how money has corrupted our campaigns? From news reports I've read, 2008 will be the first billion dollar campaign. In my view, that is a problematic trend.

Now, I'm not advocating voting for Nader. Right now, I'm a firm supporter of Barack Obama. But keep in mind, people have a right to run and express their ideas. It is democracy at its finest. You can argue that Republicans have been caught funding and helping Green candidates. Thats fine. But if you are against the merit of Nader running simply because it would hurt Dems, then I diagree.

To some, Every election, is the "pivotal election." Every election is the election you can't "waste your vote" on. But there is going to be a time when we have to honestly address the growing corruptive nature of our two-party political system. If people always wait to the next election, it will eventually be too late. Poltics shouldn't be a football game, where two sides blindly cheer for victory, essentially for bragging rights and a win for the metaphoric scorecard. It should be about achieving consensus on policy through debate, through public discourse. Thats why I have no problem with Nader running and appreciate his possible candidacy.

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  -Nader considers '08 run for president oberliner  Feb-17-07 02:43 PM   #0 
  - Well... um...  Clark2008   Feb-17-07 02:45 PM   #1 
  - Nader can kiss my ass  Connonym   Feb-17-07 02:47 PM   #2 
  - I Think We Would Be Better Off Just Completely Ignoring Nader  lligrd   Feb-17-07 02:54 PM   #3 
  - If it came down to Hillary vs. Nader  DemKR   Feb-17-07 03:00 PM   #4 
  - God He's Such A Selfish, Ignorant, Dumbass Loser.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Feb-17-07 03:01 PM   #5 
  - you know, Nader gets a lot of grief, but if HRC gets the nomination...  mike_c   Feb-17-07 03:09 PM   #6 
  - way more than in 2000  leftchick   Feb-17-07 03:24 PM   #11 
  - Anyone that votes for Nader anytime anyplace  sallyseven   Feb-17-07 03:45 PM   #16 
  - the left disenfranchised itself  paulk   Feb-17-07 05:16 PM   #24 
     - well then, I presume you won't complain when they do it again...  mike_c   Feb-17-07 10:00 PM   #33 
        - So, all the "Nader" voters are happy the way things turned out?  Edweird   Feb-18-07 10:41 AM   #41 
        - I was making an observation, not a complaint.  paulk   Feb-18-07 03:41 PM   #43 
  - well, here come the Nader insults  Superman Returns   Feb-17-07 03:11 PM   #7 
  - correction...  pepperbear   Feb-17-07 03:22 PM   #9 
  - "Upset with Nader over 2000". Actually, I think his behavior in 2004 was pretty bad, too.  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 07:58 PM   #32 
  - i gave nader a pass running in 2000. it was him running in 2004  seabeyond   Feb-18-07 10:08 AM   #40 
  - Maybe Nader wants Hillary to run. But,  HypnoToad   Feb-17-07 03:11 PM   #8 
  - Well he is just a human being -- I have been hard on him...  PhilipShore   Feb-17-07 03:23 PM   #10 
  - Simple solution.  LWolf   Feb-17-07 03:26 PM   #12 
  - A threat of Ralph Nader running won't change my mind on who I vote for.  Old and In the Way   Feb-17-07 03:30 PM   #14 
  - That's as it should be, of course.  LWolf   Feb-17-07 03:52 PM   #18 
     - "those who prefer to deflect accountability rather than accept it"  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:16 PM   #23 
        - Perhaps.  LWolf   Feb-18-07 08:50 AM   #39 
  - Bullshit. The only nominee Ralph Nader gives a shit about is Ralph Nader.  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:14 PM   # 
     - lol  LWolf   Feb-18-07 08:46 AM   #38 
        - I don't want Hillary to be the nominee, either.  impeachdubya   Feb-18-07 02:38 PM   #42 
  - Once you get that Presidental ambition in your blood, it's darn hard to kick it.  Old and In the Way   Feb-17-07 03:28 PM   #13 
  - If he was serious about fixing anything he would run for the democratic nom n/t  Jim4Wes   Feb-17-07 03:39 PM   #15 
  - BINGO!  havocmom   Feb-17-07 05:09 PM   #19 
  - If he were serious about fixing anything, he would have been working between  Poiuyt   Feb-17-07 10:57 PM   #34 
  - Things must be looking bleak for the GOP  Mark E. Smith   Feb-17-07 03:51 PM   #17 
  - Shhh!  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:20 PM   #27 
  - Great!  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:10 PM   #20 
  - afraid of a spoiler effect? then push for instant runoff voting  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-17-07 05:12 PM   #21 
  - Then what the hell are you doing here?  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:16 PM   #25 
     - and last i checked i vote for real democrats when they run  Adenoid_Hynkel   Feb-17-07 05:23 PM   #29 
        - I don't want Hillary to be the nominee, either.  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:27 PM   #30 
  - "We're going to see what the Democrats come up with."  paulk   Feb-17-07 05:14 PM   #22 
  - He likens the 2 parties, but he only ever criticizes the Democrats.  WinkyDink   Feb-17-07 05:17 PM   #26 
  - Funny how that works, isn't it? nt  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:21 PM   #28 
  - Say what you will about Ralph Nader, there's one vote he can always count on:  impeachdubya   Feb-17-07 05:28 PM   #31 
  - Fuck you, Ralphie  kurth   Feb-17-07 11:43 PM   #35 
  - Neither ginbarn nor I support Hillary's nomination, but Nader can bite me  derby378   Feb-17-07 11:46 PM   #36 
  - In addition to the presidency, there are thousands of elected offices  Telly Savalas   Feb-18-07 12:11 AM   #37 

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