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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #114
115. It is completely predictable and, for people like me who grew up
believing that we have a free press, also sort of horrible. It's really strange that it can be both.

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  -CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces donsu  Nov-28-07 11:08 AM   #0 
  - Where is the document?  yibbehobba   Nov-28-07 11:12 AM   #1 
  - Yes, me too - Someone saying "I have a document" just doesn't do it for me  slackmaster   Nov-28-07 03:59 PM   #26 
  - Don't suppose "Smoking Gun" would have this.  LittleClarkie   Nov-29-07 02:45 AM   #51 
     - If the reports are to be believed...  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 07:00 AM   #63 
        - They're probably still working on translating it into Spanish then back into English  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:02 AM   #73 
  - no document creates no link  Supersedeas   Nov-29-07 11:28 AM   #85 
  - Typical isn't it? And all the anti-Chavez people will still swear that  acmavm   Nov-28-07 11:15 AM   #2 
  - I would like to see a bit more evidence...  yibbehobba   Nov-28-07 11:16 AM   #3 
  - The only convenience we have here is the fact that the US  acmavm   Nov-28-07 11:23 AM   #7 
  - I'm not arguing that.  yibbehobba   Nov-28-07 11:30 AM   #8 
  - What are the "pro-Chavez" outlets, aside from the Cuban paper?  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 11:48 AM   #11 
  - Bingo  malaise   Nov-28-07 03:29 PM   #18 
  - You've of course never needed any evidence to announce  Warren Stupidity   Nov-28-07 03:33 PM   #19 
  - Find one post where I've ever called him a dictator...  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 05:10 AM   #56 
  - I'd like it better if it weren't Counterpunch. How about Venezelan Analysis?  LittleClarkie   Nov-29-07 02:46 AM   #52 
     - That's what I mean.  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 05:13 AM   #57 
        - How well did you look?  countryjake   Nov-29-07 05:19 AM   #59 
           - Yeah, I see that between then & now it's gone all over the place. n/t  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 06:10 AM   #61 
              - I trust Eva Golinger to put up the facts fairly fast...  countryjake   Nov-29-07 07:09 AM   #64 
  - Our aversion to...  Hell Hath No Fury   Nov-28-07 11:21 AM   #5 
  - It's unreal to predict it and watch it unfold.  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 12:33 PM   #15 
  - Bush probably figured: "well, it got Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize, so why wouldn't I take a shot?  DutchLiberal   Nov-29-07 01:42 PM   #96 
  - Why do you label those who might have criticism "anti"?  LittleClarkie   Nov-29-07 02:47 AM   #53 
  - Counterpunch has a reliability track record  cali   Nov-29-07 05:18 AM   #58 
     - It's all over the place now.  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 07:16 AM   #65 
     - Counterpunch is one of the few sources of well-reasoned, fact-based opinion and  Peace Patriot   Nov-29-07 09:00 AM   #69 
  - Imperialist nations will do all they can to destabilize up and coming socialist countries  Union Thug   Nov-28-07 11:18 AM   #4 
  - I thought Bush said he wanted to spread democracy.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-28-07 11:22 AM   #6 
  - Here's a Spanish language version of the memo:  High Plains   Nov-28-07 11:38 AM   #9 
  - Here's an English-language translation of the memo (Babblefish)  leveymg   Nov-28-07 11:58 AM   #13 
     - Another source seems to confirm portions of this translation:  seafan   Nov-28-07 03:58 PM   #25 
     - Why all this translation?  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 07:17 AM   #66 
     - Thanks for highlighting these areas. Very helpful. It should be very interesting seeing what Bush's  Judi Lynn   Nov-29-07 09:49 AM   #71 
     - It's even more hideous if you translate that into German then back into English  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:09 AM   #77 
     - I guess the Venezuelan government is still working on the English language original document  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:06 AM   #75 
     - Reminds me of a game people played in a Philip K. Dick novel  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:05 AM   #74 
     - Here's another version I found  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:08 AM   #76 
        - Were you ever a fan of NewsRadio?  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 10:16 AM   #80 
        - Didn't you notice "leveymg" already posted this at post #13, yesterday, at the beginning of the  Judi Lynn   Nov-29-07 10:29 AM   #83 
           - If only for a brief moment, I owned Judi Lynn  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 12:47 PM   #87 
  - In the last hit piece, they trotted out an ex-wife. It's a blitz right now.  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 11:46 AM   #10 
  - I doubt they'll defeat the referendum. If the Venezuelans want it, they will get it.  Selatius   Nov-28-07 11:51 AM   #12 
  - I'm really afraid we're almost there. If the referendum passes  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 12:06 PM   #14 
  - Who is this "embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere"  spoony   Nov-28-07 01:15 PM   #16 
  - I don't know and I might agree with you except for this.  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 02:28 PM   #17 
     - Whilst not enamoured with him, I know what you mean  spoony   Nov-28-07 03:57 PM   #24 
     - At this point, I wouldn't blame them.  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 04:06 PM   #31 
     - I'm no fan of Chavez but I wouldn't blame them either  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 12:57 PM   #89 
     - Interesting...  dantyrant   Nov-29-07 02:01 AM   #50 
     - What do you mean trotted out? nt  nick303   Nov-30-07 12:10 AM   #104 
  - Tin foil hat moment  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 03:37 PM   #20 
  - Wait. Try this thought experiment.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-28-07 03:55 PM   #21 
  - I can't disaagree with that, Warren. Whatever one may think of Chavez  tom_paine   Nov-28-07 03:56 PM   #23 
  - All these fake documents have a shred of truth  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 04:03 PM   #28 
  - "shred of truth"? - the basic outline has to be accurate!  Warren Stupidity   Nov-28-07 04:12 PM   #32 
     - Tell me how accurate were the cells of Stalinist Russia  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 04:22 PM   #34 
  - sitting on a huge pile of cheap oil.  Toots   Nov-29-07 07:56 AM   #68 
     - Cheap OIl is cheap to extract.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-29-07 08:23 PM   #99 
  - Chavez is a graduate of SOA? Got a link to support that?  tom_paine   Nov-28-07 03:55 PM   #22 
  - Yes, and he has stopped all relationships with the SOA  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 04:05 PM   #29 
     - Maybe those dots are connectable, but I'm sorry, it's not enough for me to accept that as anything  tom_paine   Nov-28-07 04:38 PM   #37 
        - that's fine  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 11:52 PM   #47 
           - OK, I'll keep my eyes peeled now for further corroborating information  tom_paine   Nov-29-07 06:51 AM   #62 
              - There are two easy answers to the SOA question:  Gabi Hayes   Nov-30-07 07:53 PM   #116 
                 - Third easy answer. Almost all high-ranking officers in South America have.  L. Coyote   Dec-03-07 11:35 AM   #120 
  - Its convenient because it is new  Flanker   Nov-28-07 04:00 PM   #27 
  - That one was a good fake  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 04:06 PM   #30 
     - Actually it was a shitty fake.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-28-07 04:17 PM   #33 
        - So shitty that the day we went to war we were in the minority  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-28-07 04:23 PM   #35 
           - Well in a sense it did, but not in the way I think you meant.  Warren Stupidity   Nov-28-07 04:48 PM   #38 
           - I mean that it worked, just like Pinochet's fake  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-29-07 12:01 AM   #48 
           - "we were in the minority"--wrong! 56% of the American people opposed the war  Peace Patriot   Nov-29-07 09:34 AM   #70 
  - I don't think it's tinfoil at all.  yibbehobba   Nov-29-07 07:40 AM   #67 
  - Our CIA?? With their rich history of humanitarianism and love of democracy??  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-28-07 04:24 PM   #36 
  - Best. Reply. Of. All.  TahitiNut   Nov-28-07 05:07 PM   #40 
  - When I told my vatos about this, not one of them expressed surprise.  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 10:04 PM   #45 
  - Much More to read about the impending Coup 2007 and US DISINFO.....  leftchick   Nov-28-07 04:55 PM   #39 
  - Oh, NO! I just discovered your amazing post just as I have to leave.  Judi Lynn   Nov-28-07 05:24 PM   #41 
  - I believe it. After all, there was a coup d'etat HERE.  WinkyDink   Nov-28-07 05:44 PM   #42 
  - Kicking!  Judi Lynn   Nov-28-07 05:50 PM   #43 
  - More details are available in this article, which should help:  Judi Lynn   Nov-28-07 07:21 PM   #44 
  - All we need now is the official denial.  sfexpat2000   Nov-28-07 10:20 PM   #46 
  - I saw something in the last hour which had the jerk at the US embassy claiming he was "unfamiliar"  Judi Lynn   Nov-29-07 04:18 AM   #55 
  - I hope the official denial doesn't come out before the actual alleged document  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:11 AM   #79 
     - Lol! You may like this. Looking for sourcing, I found a Pravda article:  sfexpat2000   Nov-29-07 10:21 AM   #81 
  - thank you  cali   Nov-29-07 05:22 AM   #60 
  - Original document will be available "soon", eh?  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 10:10 AM   #78 
  - Don't you see? We are completely justified in trying to topple his government.  killbotfactory   Nov-29-07 01:32 AM   #49 
  - Huffington Post right on the story:The CIA plan to destabilize Venezuela...  Judi Lynn   Nov-29-07 04:07 AM   #54 
  - The CIA  Baby Snooks   Nov-29-07 09:50 AM   #72 
  - That recent NYT puff piece on General Baduel is interesting in this context.  Peace Patriot   Nov-29-07 10:25 AM   #82 
  - There are a lot of "Election Theft" professionals on the taxpayer dime!  L. Coyote   Nov-29-07 10:40 AM   #84 
  - Another BIG factor in this situation is the many OTHER leftist governments in South America  Peace Patriot   Nov-29-07 12:23 PM   #86 
  - You're so right. They will not give up. I hope they don't re-destroy Latin America in the process.  Judi Lynn   Nov-29-07 01:15 PM   #91 
  - Things are not looking good for Venezuela.  redqueen   Nov-29-07 12:54 PM   #88 
  - My plan for really sticking it to Venezuela  slackmaster   Nov-29-07 12:59 PM   #90 
  - I wish your plan was our government's plan.  redqueen   Nov-29-07 01:23 PM   #93 
  - Did you catch the mayor of Montana on the Bill Press show yesterday?  sfexpat2000   Nov-29-07 01:24 PM   #94 
  - Why do you want to "stick it to" Venezuela?  Peace Patriot   Nov-29-07 08:16 PM   #98 
  - I feel very worried. I don't care so much if the reforms pass or fail  sfexpat2000   Nov-29-07 01:19 PM   #92 
  - Today I've seen the movie 'September 11', which features a segment about the coup in Chile...  DutchLiberal   Nov-29-07 01:38 PM   #95 
  - I wonder if that might change if we got Kucinich in office. (nt)  redqueen   Nov-29-07 02:32 PM   #97 
  - I was a Kucinich-supporter, until he decided to sabotage his own campaign by considering Ron Paul.  DutchLiberal   Nov-30-07 06:28 PM   #108 
     - The CIA thanks you  Truth2Tell   Nov-30-07 06:35 PM   #110 
     - Oh yes, because I don't want a religious extremist, a racist and a bigot as vice-president...  DutchLiberal   Nov-30-07 06:41 PM   #111 
     - He flew off at the mouth and retracted it.  redqueen   Nov-30-07 07:12 PM   #112 
        - Where and when did he retract it?  DutchLiberal   Nov-30-07 08:03 PM   #117 
  - That is certainly what the Bush Junta is up to, but I wouldn't predict their success.  Peace Patriot   Nov-29-07 08:31 PM   #100 
     - If the Bushites have proven one thing, it's they can and will do *anything* .  DutchLiberal   Nov-30-07 06:30 PM   #109 
  - Hugo must be worried he's going to lose the vote.  ellisonz   Nov-29-07 08:37 PM   #101 
  - True. The real question  Clanfear   Dec-03-07 11:42 AM   #121 
  - The CIA is boring me. Using the same plan as Bush vs Gore 2000 election is  goforit   Nov-29-07 08:40 PM   #102 
  - Our tax dollars at work  lovuian   Nov-29-07 08:45 PM   #103 
  - Amy is covering this story this morning. (Friday, 11/30) n/t  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-07 10:10 AM   #105 
  - I hope you noticed that this morning, like clockwork, the NYTs  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-07 11:52 AM   #106 
  - So fucking predictable.  redqueen   Nov-30-07 07:17 PM   #114 
     - It is completely predictable and, for people like me who grew up  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-07 07:28 PM   #115 
  - More blather and speculation, yet still no image of the purported memo itself  slackmaster   Nov-30-07 04:39 PM   #107 
  - The author of this article was on DemocracyNow! this morning.  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-07 07:15 PM   #113 
     - The links are up now.  L. Coyote   Dec-03-07 02:00 AM   #119 
  - Kick for the weekenders  countryjake   Dec-01-07 08:14 PM   #118 
  - United States and anti-Chavez groups use media to twist, manipulate reality!  L. Coyote   Dec-03-07 12:32 PM   #122 
  - It's been a whole week now, and there is STILL NO MEMO to be seen  slackmaster   Dec-03-07 04:23 PM   #123 
  - In the sea of endless information, a document surfaces...  Rex   Dec-03-07 04:24 PM   #124 

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