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Thu Nov-29-07 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 75. I guess the Venezuelan government is still working on the English language original document |
| -CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces |
donsu |
Nov-28-07 11:08 AM |
#0 |
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Where is the document? |
yibbehobba |
Nov-28-07 11:12 AM |
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Yes, me too - Someone saying "I have a document" just doesn't do it for me |
slackmaster |
Nov-28-07 03:59 PM |
#26 |
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Don't suppose "Smoking Gun" would have this. |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-29-07 02:45 AM |
#51 |
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If the reports are to be believed... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:00 AM |
#63 |
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They're probably still working on translating it into Spanish then back into English |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:02 AM |
#73 |
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no document creates no link |
Supersedeas |
Nov-29-07 11:28 AM |
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Typical isn't it? And all the anti-Chavez people will still swear that |
acmavm |
Nov-28-07 11:15 AM |
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I would like to see a bit more evidence... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-28-07 11:16 AM |
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The only convenience we have here is the fact that the US |
acmavm |
Nov-28-07 11:23 AM |
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I'm not arguing that. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-28-07 11:30 AM |
#8 |
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What are the "pro-Chavez" outlets, aside from the Cuban paper? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 11:48 AM |
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Bingo |
malaise |
Nov-28-07 03:29 PM |
#18 |
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You've of course never needed any evidence to announce |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 03:33 PM |
#19 |
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Find one post where I've ever called him a dictator... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 05:10 AM |
#56 |
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I'd like it better if it weren't Counterpunch. How about Venezelan Analysis? |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-29-07 02:46 AM |
#52 |
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That's what I mean. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 05:13 AM |
#57 |
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How well did you look? |
countryjake |
Nov-29-07 05:19 AM |
#59 |
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Yeah, I see that between then & now it's gone all over the place. n/t |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 06:10 AM |
#61 |
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I trust Eva Golinger to put up the facts fairly fast... |
countryjake |
Nov-29-07 07:09 AM |
#64 |
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Our aversion to... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-28-07 11:21 AM |
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It's unreal to predict it and watch it unfold. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 12:33 PM |
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Bush probably figured: "well, it got Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize, so why wouldn't I take a shot? |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-29-07 01:42 PM |
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Why do you label those who might have criticism "anti"? |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-29-07 02:47 AM |
#53 |
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Counterpunch has a reliability track record |
cali |
Nov-29-07 05:18 AM |
#58 |
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It's all over the place now. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:16 AM |
#65 |
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Counterpunch is one of the few sources of well-reasoned, fact-based opinion and |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 09:00 AM |
#69 |
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Imperialist nations will do all they can to destabilize up and coming socialist countries |
Union Thug |
Nov-28-07 11:18 AM |
#4 |
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I thought Bush said he wanted to spread democracy. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-28-07 11:22 AM |
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Here's a Spanish language version of the memo: |
High Plains |
Nov-28-07 11:38 AM |
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Here's an English-language translation of the memo (Babblefish) |
leveymg |
Nov-28-07 11:58 AM |
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Another source seems to confirm portions of this translation: |
seafan |
Nov-28-07 03:58 PM |
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Why all this translation? |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:17 AM |
#66 |
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Thanks for highlighting these areas. Very helpful. It should be very interesting seeing what Bush's |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 09:49 AM |
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It's even more hideous if you translate that into German then back into English |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:09 AM |
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I guess the Venezuelan government is still working on the English language original document |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:06 AM |
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Reminds me of a game people played in a Philip K. Dick novel |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:05 AM |
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Here's another version I found |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:08 AM |
#76 |
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Were you ever a fan of NewsRadio? |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 10:16 AM |
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Didn't you notice "leveymg" already posted this at post #13, yesterday, at the beginning of the |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 10:29 AM |
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If only for a brief moment, I owned Judi Lynn |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 12:47 PM |
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In the last hit piece, they trotted out an ex-wife. It's a blitz right now. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 11:46 AM |
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I doubt they'll defeat the referendum. If the Venezuelans want it, they will get it. |
Selatius |
Nov-28-07 11:51 AM |
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I'm really afraid we're almost there. If the referendum passes |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 12:06 PM |
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Who is this "embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere" |
spoony |
Nov-28-07 01:15 PM |
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I don't know and I might agree with you except for this. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 02:28 PM |
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Whilst not enamoured with him, I know what you mean |
spoony |
Nov-28-07 03:57 PM |
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At this point, I wouldn't blame them. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 04:06 PM |
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I'm no fan of Chavez but I wouldn't blame them either |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 12:57 PM |
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Interesting... |
dantyrant |
Nov-29-07 02:01 AM |
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What do you mean trotted out? nt |
nick303 |
Nov-30-07 12:10 AM |
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Tin foil hat moment |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 03:37 PM |
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Wait. Try this thought experiment. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 03:55 PM |
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I can't disaagree with that, Warren. Whatever one may think of Chavez |
tom_paine |
Nov-28-07 03:56 PM |
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All these fake documents have a shred of truth |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:03 PM |
#28 |
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"shred of truth"? - the basic outline has to be accurate! |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 04:12 PM |
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Tell me how accurate were the cells of Stalinist Russia |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:22 PM |
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sitting on a huge pile of cheap oil. |
Toots |
Nov-29-07 07:56 AM |
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Cheap OIl is cheap to extract. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-29-07 08:23 PM |
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Chavez is a graduate of SOA? Got a link to support that? |
tom_paine |
Nov-28-07 03:55 PM |
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Yes, and he has stopped all relationships with the SOA |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:05 PM |
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Maybe those dots are connectable, but I'm sorry, it's not enough for me to accept that as anything |
tom_paine |
Nov-28-07 04:38 PM |
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that's fine |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 11:52 PM |
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OK, I'll keep my eyes peeled now for further corroborating information |
tom_paine |
Nov-29-07 06:51 AM |
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There are two easy answers to the SOA question: |
Gabi Hayes |
Nov-30-07 07:53 PM |
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Third easy answer. Almost all high-ranking officers in South America have. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-03-07 11:35 AM |
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Its convenient because it is new |
Flanker |
Nov-28-07 04:00 PM |
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That one was a good fake |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:06 PM |
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Actually it was a shitty fake. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 04:17 PM |
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So shitty that the day we went to war we were in the minority |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:23 PM |
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Well in a sense it did, but not in the way I think you meant. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 04:48 PM |
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I mean that it worked, just like Pinochet's fake |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-29-07 12:01 AM |
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"we were in the minority"--wrong! 56% of the American people opposed the war |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 09:34 AM |
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I don't think it's tinfoil at all. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:40 AM |
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Our CIA?? With their rich history of humanitarianism and love of democracy?? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-28-07 04:24 PM |
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Best. Reply. Of. All. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-28-07 05:07 PM |
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When I told my vatos about this, not one of them expressed surprise. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 10:04 PM |
#45 |
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Much More to read about the impending Coup 2007 and US DISINFO..... |
leftchick |
Nov-28-07 04:55 PM |
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Oh, NO! I just discovered your amazing post just as I have to leave. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-28-07 05:24 PM |
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I believe it. After all, there was a coup d'etat HERE. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-28-07 05:44 PM |
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Kicking! |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-28-07 05:50 PM |
#43 |
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More details are available in this article, which should help: |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-28-07 07:21 PM |
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All we need now is the official denial. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 10:20 PM |
#46 |
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I saw something in the last hour which had the jerk at the US embassy claiming he was "unfamiliar" |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 04:18 AM |
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I hope the official denial doesn't come out before the actual alleged document |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:11 AM |
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Lol! You may like this. Looking for sourcing, I found a Pravda article: |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-29-07 10:21 AM |
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thank you |
cali |
Nov-29-07 05:22 AM |
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Original document will be available "soon", eh? |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:10 AM |
#78 |
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Don't you see? We are completely justified in trying to topple his government. |
killbotfactory |
Nov-29-07 01:32 AM |
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Huffington Post right on the story:The CIA plan to destabilize Venezuela... |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 04:07 AM |
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The CIA |
Baby Snooks |
Nov-29-07 09:50 AM |
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That recent NYT puff piece on General Baduel is interesting in this context. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 10:25 AM |
#82 |
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There are a lot of "Election Theft" professionals on the taxpayer dime! |
L. Coyote |
Nov-29-07 10:40 AM |
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Another BIG factor in this situation is the many OTHER leftist governments in South America |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 12:23 PM |
#86 |
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You're so right. They will not give up. I hope they don't re-destroy Latin America in the process. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 01:15 PM |
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Things are not looking good for Venezuela. |
redqueen |
Nov-29-07 12:54 PM |
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My plan for really sticking it to Venezuela |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 12:59 PM |
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I wish your plan was our government's plan. |
redqueen |
Nov-29-07 01:23 PM |
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Did you catch the mayor of Montana on the Bill Press show yesterday? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-29-07 01:24 PM |
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Why do you want to "stick it to" Venezuela? |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 08:16 PM |
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I feel very worried. I don't care so much if the reforms pass or fail |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-29-07 01:19 PM |
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Today I've seen the movie 'September 11', which features a segment about the coup in Chile... |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-29-07 01:38 PM |
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I wonder if that might change if we got Kucinich in office. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-29-07 02:32 PM |
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I was a Kucinich-supporter, until he decided to sabotage his own campaign by considering Ron Paul. |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 06:28 PM |
#108 |
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The CIA thanks you |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-30-07 06:35 PM |
#110 |
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Oh yes, because I don't want a religious extremist, a racist and a bigot as vice-president... |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 06:41 PM |
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He flew off at the mouth and retracted it. |
redqueen |
Nov-30-07 07:12 PM |
#112 |
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Where and when did he retract it? |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 08:03 PM |
#117 |
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That is certainly what the Bush Junta is up to, but I wouldn't predict their success. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 08:31 PM |
#100 |
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If the Bushites have proven one thing, it's they can and will do *anything* . |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 06:30 PM |
#109 |
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Hugo must be worried he's going to lose the vote. |
ellisonz |
Nov-29-07 08:37 PM |
#101 |
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True. The real question |
Clanfear |
Dec-03-07 11:42 AM |
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The CIA is boring me. Using the same plan as Bush vs Gore 2000 election is |
goforit |
Nov-29-07 08:40 PM |
#102 |
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Our tax dollars at work |
lovuian |
Nov-29-07 08:45 PM |
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Amy is covering this story this morning. (Friday, 11/30) n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 10:10 AM |
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I hope you noticed that this morning, like clockwork, the NYTs |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 11:52 AM |
#106 |
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So fucking predictable. |
redqueen |
Nov-30-07 07:17 PM |
#114 |
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It is completely predictable and, for people like me who grew up |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 07:28 PM |
#115 |
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More blather and speculation, yet still no image of the purported memo itself |
slackmaster |
Nov-30-07 04:39 PM |
#107 |
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The author of this article was on DemocracyNow! this morning. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 07:15 PM |
#113 |
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The links are up now. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-03-07 02:00 AM |
#119 |
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Kick for the weekenders |
countryjake |
Dec-01-07 08:14 PM |
#118 |
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United States and anti-Chavez groups use media to twist, manipulate reality! |
L. Coyote |
Dec-03-07 12:32 PM |
#122 |
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It's been a whole week now, and there is STILL NO MEMO to be seen |
slackmaster |
Dec-03-07 04:23 PM |
#123 |
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In the sea of endless information, a document surfaces... |
Rex |
Dec-03-07 04:24 PM |
#124 |
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