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Wed Nov-28-07 07:21 PM
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| 44. More details are available in this article, which should help: |
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You might want to take a look over the material, and more will be on the way, showing up somewhere. Don't look for it in any of the US sources, of course, nor AP, nor Reuters, but it should surface somewhere, and we'll be looking for it: Operation Tenaza has the objective of encouraging an armed insurrection in Venezuela against the government of President Chavez that will justify an intervention of US forces, stationed on the military bases nearby in Curacao and Colombia. The Operation mentions two countries in code: as Blue and Green. These refer to Curacao and Colombia, where the US has operative, active and equipped bases that have been reinforced over the past year and a half in anticipation of a conflict with Venezuela.
The document confirms that psychological operations are the CIA's best and most effective weapon to date against Venezuela, and it will continue its efforts to influence international public opinion regarding President Chavez and the situation in the country.
Operation Tenaza is a very alarming plan that aims to destabilize Venezuela and overthrow (again) its legitimate and democratic (and very popularly support) president. The plan will fail, primarily because it has been discovered, but it must be denounced around the world as an unacceptable violation of Venezuela's sovereignty.
The original document in English will be available in the public sphere soon for viewing and authenticating purposes. And it also contains more information than has been revealed here.
(snip/) http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2914 |
| -CIA Venezuela Destabilization Memo Surfaces |
donsu |
Nov-28-07 11:08 AM |
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Where is the document? |
yibbehobba |
Nov-28-07 11:12 AM |
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Yes, me too - Someone saying "I have a document" just doesn't do it for me |
slackmaster |
Nov-28-07 03:59 PM |
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Don't suppose "Smoking Gun" would have this. |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-29-07 02:45 AM |
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If the reports are to be believed... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:00 AM |
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They're probably still working on translating it into Spanish then back into English |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:02 AM |
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no document creates no link |
Supersedeas |
Nov-29-07 11:28 AM |
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Typical isn't it? And all the anti-Chavez people will still swear that |
acmavm |
Nov-28-07 11:15 AM |
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I would like to see a bit more evidence... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-28-07 11:16 AM |
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The only convenience we have here is the fact that the US |
acmavm |
Nov-28-07 11:23 AM |
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I'm not arguing that. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-28-07 11:30 AM |
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What are the "pro-Chavez" outlets, aside from the Cuban paper? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 11:48 AM |
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Bingo |
malaise |
Nov-28-07 03:29 PM |
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You've of course never needed any evidence to announce |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 03:33 PM |
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Find one post where I've ever called him a dictator... |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 05:10 AM |
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I'd like it better if it weren't Counterpunch. How about Venezelan Analysis? |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-29-07 02:46 AM |
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That's what I mean. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 05:13 AM |
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How well did you look? |
countryjake |
Nov-29-07 05:19 AM |
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Yeah, I see that between then & now it's gone all over the place. n/t |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 06:10 AM |
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I trust Eva Golinger to put up the facts fairly fast... |
countryjake |
Nov-29-07 07:09 AM |
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Our aversion to... |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Nov-28-07 11:21 AM |
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It's unreal to predict it and watch it unfold. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 12:33 PM |
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Bush probably figured: "well, it got Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize, so why wouldn't I take a shot? |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-29-07 01:42 PM |
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Why do you label those who might have criticism "anti"? |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-29-07 02:47 AM |
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Counterpunch has a reliability track record |
cali |
Nov-29-07 05:18 AM |
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It's all over the place now. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:16 AM |
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Counterpunch is one of the few sources of well-reasoned, fact-based opinion and |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 09:00 AM |
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Imperialist nations will do all they can to destabilize up and coming socialist countries |
Union Thug |
Nov-28-07 11:18 AM |
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I thought Bush said he wanted to spread democracy. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-28-07 11:22 AM |
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Here's a Spanish language version of the memo: |
High Plains |
Nov-28-07 11:38 AM |
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Here's an English-language translation of the memo (Babblefish) |
leveymg |
Nov-28-07 11:58 AM |
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Another source seems to confirm portions of this translation: |
seafan |
Nov-28-07 03:58 PM |
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Why all this translation? |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:17 AM |
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Thanks for highlighting these areas. Very helpful. It should be very interesting seeing what Bush's |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 09:49 AM |
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It's even more hideous if you translate that into German then back into English |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:09 AM |
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I guess the Venezuelan government is still working on the English language original document |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:06 AM |
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Reminds me of a game people played in a Philip K. Dick novel |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:05 AM |
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Here's another version I found |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:08 AM |
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Were you ever a fan of NewsRadio? |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 10:16 AM |
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Didn't you notice "leveymg" already posted this at post #13, yesterday, at the beginning of the |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 10:29 AM |
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If only for a brief moment, I owned Judi Lynn |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 12:47 PM |
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In the last hit piece, they trotted out an ex-wife. It's a blitz right now. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 11:46 AM |
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I doubt they'll defeat the referendum. If the Venezuelans want it, they will get it. |
Selatius |
Nov-28-07 11:51 AM |
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I'm really afraid we're almost there. If the referendum passes |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 12:06 PM |
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Who is this "embassy official, Michael Middleton Steere" |
spoony |
Nov-28-07 01:15 PM |
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I don't know and I might agree with you except for this. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 02:28 PM |
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Whilst not enamoured with him, I know what you mean |
spoony |
Nov-28-07 03:57 PM |
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At this point, I wouldn't blame them. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 04:06 PM |
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I'm no fan of Chavez but I wouldn't blame them either |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 12:57 PM |
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Interesting... |
dantyrant |
Nov-29-07 02:01 AM |
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What do you mean trotted out? nt |
nick303 |
Nov-30-07 12:10 AM |
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Tin foil hat moment |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 03:37 PM |
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Wait. Try this thought experiment. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 03:55 PM |
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I can't disaagree with that, Warren. Whatever one may think of Chavez |
tom_paine |
Nov-28-07 03:56 PM |
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All these fake documents have a shred of truth |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:03 PM |
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"shred of truth"? - the basic outline has to be accurate! |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 04:12 PM |
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Tell me how accurate were the cells of Stalinist Russia |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:22 PM |
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sitting on a huge pile of cheap oil. |
Toots |
Nov-29-07 07:56 AM |
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Cheap OIl is cheap to extract. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-29-07 08:23 PM |
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Chavez is a graduate of SOA? Got a link to support that? |
tom_paine |
Nov-28-07 03:55 PM |
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Yes, and he has stopped all relationships with the SOA |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:05 PM |
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Maybe those dots are connectable, but I'm sorry, it's not enough for me to accept that as anything |
tom_paine |
Nov-28-07 04:38 PM |
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that's fine |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 11:52 PM |
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OK, I'll keep my eyes peeled now for further corroborating information |
tom_paine |
Nov-29-07 06:51 AM |
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There are two easy answers to the SOA question: |
Gabi Hayes |
Nov-30-07 07:53 PM |
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Third easy answer. Almost all high-ranking officers in South America have. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-03-07 11:35 AM |
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Its convenient because it is new |
Flanker |
Nov-28-07 04:00 PM |
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That one was a good fake |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:06 PM |
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Actually it was a shitty fake. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 04:17 PM |
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So shitty that the day we went to war we were in the minority |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-28-07 04:23 PM |
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Well in a sense it did, but not in the way I think you meant. |
Warren Stupidity |
Nov-28-07 04:48 PM |
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I mean that it worked, just like Pinochet's fake |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-29-07 12:01 AM |
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"we were in the minority"--wrong! 56% of the American people opposed the war |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 09:34 AM |
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I don't think it's tinfoil at all. |
yibbehobba |
Nov-29-07 07:40 AM |
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Our CIA?? With their rich history of humanitarianism and love of democracy?? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-28-07 04:24 PM |
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Best. Reply. Of. All. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-28-07 05:07 PM |
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When I told my vatos about this, not one of them expressed surprise. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 10:04 PM |
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Much More to read about the impending Coup 2007 and US DISINFO..... |
leftchick |
Nov-28-07 04:55 PM |
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Oh, NO! I just discovered your amazing post just as I have to leave. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-28-07 05:24 PM |
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I believe it. After all, there was a coup d'etat HERE. |
WinkyDink |
Nov-28-07 05:44 PM |
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Kicking! |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-28-07 05:50 PM |
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More details are available in this article, which should help: |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-28-07 07:21 PM |
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All we need now is the official denial. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-28-07 10:20 PM |
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I saw something in the last hour which had the jerk at the US embassy claiming he was "unfamiliar" |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 04:18 AM |
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I hope the official denial doesn't come out before the actual alleged document |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:11 AM |
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Lol! You may like this. Looking for sourcing, I found a Pravda article: |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-29-07 10:21 AM |
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thank you |
cali |
Nov-29-07 05:22 AM |
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Original document will be available "soon", eh? |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 10:10 AM |
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Don't you see? We are completely justified in trying to topple his government. |
killbotfactory |
Nov-29-07 01:32 AM |
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Huffington Post right on the story:The CIA plan to destabilize Venezuela... |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 04:07 AM |
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The CIA |
Baby Snooks |
Nov-29-07 09:50 AM |
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That recent NYT puff piece on General Baduel is interesting in this context. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 10:25 AM |
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There are a lot of "Election Theft" professionals on the taxpayer dime! |
L. Coyote |
Nov-29-07 10:40 AM |
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Another BIG factor in this situation is the many OTHER leftist governments in South America |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 12:23 PM |
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You're so right. They will not give up. I hope they don't re-destroy Latin America in the process. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-29-07 01:15 PM |
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Things are not looking good for Venezuela. |
redqueen |
Nov-29-07 12:54 PM |
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My plan for really sticking it to Venezuela |
slackmaster |
Nov-29-07 12:59 PM |
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I wish your plan was our government's plan. |
redqueen |
Nov-29-07 01:23 PM |
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Did you catch the mayor of Montana on the Bill Press show yesterday? |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-29-07 01:24 PM |
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Why do you want to "stick it to" Venezuela? |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 08:16 PM |
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I feel very worried. I don't care so much if the reforms pass or fail |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-29-07 01:19 PM |
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Today I've seen the movie 'September 11', which features a segment about the coup in Chile... |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-29-07 01:38 PM |
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I wonder if that might change if we got Kucinich in office. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-29-07 02:32 PM |
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I was a Kucinich-supporter, until he decided to sabotage his own campaign by considering Ron Paul. |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 06:28 PM |
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The CIA thanks you |
Truth2Tell |
Nov-30-07 06:35 PM |
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Oh yes, because I don't want a religious extremist, a racist and a bigot as vice-president... |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 06:41 PM |
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He flew off at the mouth and retracted it. |
redqueen |
Nov-30-07 07:12 PM |
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Where and when did he retract it? |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 08:03 PM |
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That is certainly what the Bush Junta is up to, but I wouldn't predict their success. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-29-07 08:31 PM |
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If the Bushites have proven one thing, it's they can and will do *anything* . |
DutchLiberal |
Nov-30-07 06:30 PM |
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Hugo must be worried he's going to lose the vote. |
ellisonz |
Nov-29-07 08:37 PM |
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True. The real question |
Clanfear |
Dec-03-07 11:42 AM |
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The CIA is boring me. Using the same plan as Bush vs Gore 2000 election is |
goforit |
Nov-29-07 08:40 PM |
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Our tax dollars at work |
lovuian |
Nov-29-07 08:45 PM |
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Amy is covering this story this morning. (Friday, 11/30) n/t |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 10:10 AM |
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I hope you noticed that this morning, like clockwork, the NYTs |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 11:52 AM |
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So fucking predictable. |
redqueen |
Nov-30-07 07:17 PM |
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It is completely predictable and, for people like me who grew up |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 07:28 PM |
#115 |
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More blather and speculation, yet still no image of the purported memo itself |
slackmaster |
Nov-30-07 04:39 PM |
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The author of this article was on DemocracyNow! this morning. |
sfexpat2000 |
Nov-30-07 07:15 PM |
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The links are up now. |
L. Coyote |
Dec-03-07 02:00 AM |
#119 |
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Kick for the weekenders |
countryjake |
Dec-01-07 08:14 PM |
#118 |
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United States and anti-Chavez groups use media to twist, manipulate reality! |
L. Coyote |
Dec-03-07 12:32 PM |
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It's been a whole week now, and there is STILL NO MEMO to be seen |
slackmaster |
Dec-03-07 04:23 PM |
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In the sea of endless information, a document surfaces... |
Rex |
Dec-03-07 04:24 PM |
#124 |
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