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EHC Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-19-07 09:20 PM
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102. This is where communism loses out to mixed markets
However, counterrevolutionaries will not be tolerated.


This is worse than our current capitalistic system. Say what you will about the US you can speak out against it and maybe some uber right wing nutjob will verbally attack you for being "un-American" but your not schlepped off to be 're-educated'. Freedom of thought and speech is more important than eliminating private property. I could care less if someone owns more private property than me but if I have have an opinion which is detrimental to the state I should not put put away.
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  -Is socialism/communism still relevant? mix  Feb-17-07 01:25 PM   #0 
  - Communism is not possible any more than total free market capitalism  Zynx   Feb-17-07 01:27 PM   #1 
  - power  mix   Feb-17-07 01:29 PM   #2 
     - The current system is much closer to socialism than many think.  Zynx   Feb-17-07 01:54 PM   #18 
  - Not in the US  Solo_in_MD   Feb-17-07 01:30 PM   #3 
  - strictly marxist,  mix   Feb-17-07 01:33 PM   #6 
  - I think that may be going a l..i..t..t.l..e... out of fashion, if this board's  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Feb-17-07 02:29 PM   #22 
  - This may change  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:29 PM   #36 
     - Private property is the lynchpin of democracy  Rage for Order   Feb-18-07 10:29 AM   #48 
        - It is the lynchpin of exploitation and deprivation  manic expression   Feb-18-07 10:42 AM   #50 
           - I'm not rich and I don't feel exploited  Rage for Order   Feb-18-07 10:55 AM   #57 
           - Good for you  manic expression   Feb-18-07 04:06 PM   #66 
           - So the state owns the mansions and the jets?  Seldona   Feb-18-07 05:05 PM   #75 
              - Castro compound?  manic expression   Feb-18-07 05:21 PM   #82 
  - Only one way to find out.  Deep13   Feb-17-07 01:31 PM   #4 
  - 2 things  LSK   Feb-17-07 01:31 PM   #5 
  - elaborate...please : )  mix   Feb-17-07 01:36 PM   #9 
  - Universal Health Insurance can be considered Socialism  LSK   Feb-17-07 01:41 PM   #11 
  - Europe is not socialist  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:21 PM   #33 
  - Europe is not socialist.  Odin2005   Feb-17-07 11:21 PM   #34 
  - But still, "welfare state" is more socialist  rman   Feb-18-07 10:54 AM   #55 
  - Europe is not socialist.  JVS   Feb-18-07 10:47 AM   #52 
  - Socialism is just a different word,...  Parisle   Feb-17-07 01:33 PM   #7 
  - Oh yes  Jim Warren   Feb-17-07 01:34 PM   #8 
  - or wave of the future ?  mix   Feb-17-07 01:39 PM   #10 
     - Yeah right  Jim Warren   Feb-17-07 01:48 PM   #16 
     - Obrador was robbed, wasn't he.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Feb-17-07 02:31 PM   #23 
        - are the zapatistas viable still ?  mix   Feb-17-07 09:14 PM   #26 
           - The Zapatistas  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:37 PM   #40 
              - viable movement  mix   Feb-18-07 12:46 PM   #61 
                 - Interesting  manic expression   Feb-18-07 04:08 PM   #67 
                    - the zapatistas in crisis  mix   Feb-19-07 01:06 PM   #93 
  - yes  JVS   Feb-17-07 01:42 PM   #12 
  - More than ever.  Mika   Feb-17-07 01:43 PM   #13 
  - Socialize the risk and privitize the profits, that is what we are doing  angstlessk   Feb-17-07 01:45 PM   #14 
  - great quote  mix   Feb-17-07 01:48 PM   #15 
  - Socialism  BayCityProgressive   Feb-17-07 01:53 PM   #17 
     - List of Socialist Countries:  BayCityProgressive   Feb-17-07 02:09 PM   #19 
     - Are you seriously citing Turkmenistan and Belarus as countries to emulate?  liberalpragmatist   Feb-18-07 12:07 AM   #43 
        - Well  manic expression   Feb-18-07 12:47 AM   #44 
        - sorry list  mix   Feb-18-07 12:51 PM   #62 
     - Brilliant!  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Feb-17-07 02:35 PM   #24 
     - in the 1980s  mix   Feb-18-07 01:00 PM   #63 
  - This question has a flaw that makes it difficult to give a single  realpolitik   Feb-17-07 02:10 PM   #20 
  - nicely said : coersion by by government or by rich/corporate via government - heck of a choice  papau   Feb-17-07 03:20 PM   #25 
  - When was it not?  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Feb-17-07 02:24 PM   #21 
  - We don't have anything resembling either in the US. If you want  kestrel91316   Feb-17-07 09:43 PM   #27 
  - Absolutely they are.  Unvanguard   Feb-17-07 09:52 PM   #28 
  - I think so.  otherlander   Feb-17-07 10:38 PM   #29 
  - Socialism? Yes. Communism? No.  Odin2005   Feb-17-07 11:14 PM   #30 
  - You were a Marxist?  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:19 PM   #32 
     - Of course I do.  Odin2005   Feb-17-07 11:30 PM   #37 
     - The way I see it  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:33 PM   #38 
     - If the common man ' or proletariat'  StephenB48   Feb-19-07 01:41 PM   #96 
        - Lack of perspective  manic expression   Feb-19-07 09:29 PM   #104 
  - Of course  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:18 PM   #31 
  - A mixed economy with a  cadmium   Feb-17-07 11:28 PM   #35 
  - We tried that  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:34 PM   #39 
  - dont see it happening. If it did, I dont trust human  cadmium   Feb-17-07 11:49 PM   #41 
     - Check out the disparity between rich and poor  manic expression   Feb-17-07 11:53 PM   #42 
        - Human nature would  cadmium   Feb-18-07 10:23 AM   #45 
           - No it wouldn't  manic expression   Feb-18-07 10:46 AM   #51 
              - How would they handle dissent?  cadmium   Feb-18-07 10:55 AM   #56 
                 - Depends on the dissent  manic expression   Feb-18-07 04:10 PM   #68 
                 - who decides which is which? I oppose the invasion of Iraq. That could  cadmium   Feb-18-07 04:45 PM   #69 
                 - The community  manic expression   Feb-18-07 04:47 PM   #70 
                 - but what if the community disagrees and considers it essential?  cadmium   Feb-18-07 04:49 PM   #71 
                    - So are you saying that the current administration is protecting the masses from themselves?  JVS   Feb-18-07 04:54 PM   #72 
                    - Did you read the whole thread? I never said  cadmium   Feb-18-07 05:13 PM   #78 
                    - Then it does  manic expression   Feb-18-07 05:15 PM   #79 
                       - Fun discussion. Silencing anyone deemed to be  cadmium   Feb-18-07 06:05 PM   #87 
                          - Totalitarian?  manic expression   Feb-18-07 08:44 PM   #91 
                             - The problem with the view many communist have is..  EHC   Feb-19-07 09:21 PM   #103 
                                - Not true  manic expression   Feb-19-07 09:38 PM   #105 
                 - Why are you worried about what if when you saw our very own Democratic Senators cave on this?  JVS   Feb-18-07 04:57 PM   #73 
                    - we were talking speculating about what a  cadmium   Feb-18-07 05:08 PM   #77 
                       - Congress could've stopped it  manic expression   Feb-18-07 05:18 PM   #80 
                          - The system failed. What we debate is that  cadmium   Feb-18-07 05:32 PM   #83 
                             - The system did exactly what it wanted to  manic expression   Feb-18-07 08:40 PM   #89 
                             - I generally landed on the side of Bakunin as opposed to Marx on methodology  Selatius   Feb-19-07 01:24 PM   #94 
                 - This is where communism loses out to mixed markets  EHC   Feb-19-07 09:20 PM   #102 
                    - This is where mixed-markets have a way of becoming unmixed  JVS   Feb-19-07 09:42 PM   #106 
                    - Why should people be expected to tolerate the intolerable?  manic expression   Feb-19-07 09:45 PM   #107 
                       - Come on, don't you think a mixed feudalism-capitalism system would have worked better?  JVS   Feb-19-07 09:46 PM   #108 
                 - Probably with the methods used currently: Ridicule, Ignoring, and marginalizing seem to be...  JVS   Feb-18-07 04:59 PM   #74 
  - This country has had many socialistic waves in it's history...  Virginia Dare   Feb-18-07 05:45 PM   #86 
  - They are. They are the only two ways to save the world...  Xenotime   Feb-18-07 10:26 AM   #46 
  - If Capitalism Continues to Destroy So Many...  tlsmith1963   Feb-18-07 10:26 AM   #47 
  - No  MATTMAN   Feb-18-07 10:34 AM   #49 
  - The RW thinks Social Services are Socialist  rman   Feb-18-07 10:51 AM   #53 
  - SOMETHING that is not capitalism  LWolf   Feb-18-07 10:52 AM   #54 
  - Socialism Is Inevitable In The United States  Yavin4   Feb-18-07 11:02 AM   #58 
  - Yes, one day those workers who lost out will organize and take back what they lost  Selatius   Feb-19-07 01:42 PM   #97 
  - Democratic socialism is still relevant for me  deutsey   Feb-18-07 11:41 AM   #59 
  - Some sort of Socialism better show up pretty goddamn quick.  Tyler Durden   Feb-18-07 11:51 AM   #60 
  - I agree with your conclusion. I dont think we a comparable to the  cadmium   Feb-18-07 05:42 PM   #84 
     - They're smarter nowadays than the Romanovs and early capitalists were  Selatius   Feb-19-07 01:46 PM   #98 
  - question for the hardcore marxists, communists  mix   Feb-18-07 01:15 PM   #64 
  - Idealism is a wonderful thing; all you need is someone charismatic to put it to proper use.  HypnoToad   Feb-18-07 01:20 PM   #65 
     - charisma and politics  mix   Feb-19-07 01:03 PM   #92 
  - Only for certain industries  gravity   Feb-18-07 05:08 PM   #76 
  - It depends on how you look at it  AngryAmish   Feb-18-07 05:18 PM   #81 
  - and how would this translate  mix   Feb-19-07 08:53 PM   #100 
  - Socialism is communism never was  dkofos   Feb-18-07 05:44 PM   #85 
  - The pertinent question is whether capitalism is still relevant.  rug   Feb-18-07 06:19 PM   #88 
  - Only if by "better for human beings" you mean starving millions of them  Crandor   Feb-19-07 01:29 PM   #95 
     - I'm glad to see your Limbaugh Letter arrived on time.  rug   Feb-19-07 08:43 PM   #99 
  - No, anymore than Lysenkoism was ever relevant to reality.  NNadir   Feb-18-07 08:44 PM   #90 
  - what are you some kind of 9/11 conspiracy theorist?  sweetheart   Feb-19-07 09:04 PM   #101 
  - Actually, we have a new bugaboo these days,  Cleita   Feb-19-07 09:51 PM   #109 
  - speaking of (read my spam)  mix   Feb-20-07 11:17 AM   #110 
     - Very true. Totalitarianism is the key word, not the word  Cleita   Feb-20-07 12:40 PM   #111 
  - Communism No  BL611   Feb-20-07 12:44 PM   #112 
 

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