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Mon Feb-19-07 01:06 PM
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| 93. the zapatistas in crisis |
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from what i have heard morale has plummented due to the movement's modest successes, mostly local, and the failure to ignite a national movement
but i would like to hear from someone who knows more on this subject
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| -Is socialism/communism still relevant? |
mix |
Feb-17-07 01:25 PM |
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Communism is not possible any more than total free market capitalism |
Zynx |
Feb-17-07 01:27 PM |
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power |
mix |
Feb-17-07 01:29 PM |
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The current system is much closer to socialism than many think. |
Zynx |
Feb-17-07 01:54 PM |
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Not in the US |
Solo_in_MD |
Feb-17-07 01:30 PM |
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strictly marxist, |
mix |
Feb-17-07 01:33 PM |
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I think that may be going a l..i..t..t.l..e... out of fashion, if this board's |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Feb-17-07 02:29 PM |
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This may change |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:29 PM |
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Private property is the lynchpin of democracy |
Rage for Order |
Feb-18-07 10:29 AM |
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It is the lynchpin of exploitation and deprivation |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 10:42 AM |
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I'm not rich and I don't feel exploited |
Rage for Order |
Feb-18-07 10:55 AM |
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Good for you |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 04:06 PM |
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So the state owns the mansions and the jets? |
Seldona |
Feb-18-07 05:05 PM |
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Castro compound? |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 05:21 PM |
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Only one way to find out. |
Deep13 |
Feb-17-07 01:31 PM |
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2 things |
LSK |
Feb-17-07 01:31 PM |
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elaborate...please : ) |
mix |
Feb-17-07 01:36 PM |
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Universal Health Insurance can be considered Socialism |
LSK |
Feb-17-07 01:41 PM |
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Europe is not socialist |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:21 PM |
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Europe is not socialist. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-07 11:21 PM |
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But still, "welfare state" is more socialist |
rman |
Feb-18-07 10:54 AM |
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Europe is not socialist. |
JVS |
Feb-18-07 10:47 AM |
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Socialism is just a different word,... |
Parisle |
Feb-17-07 01:33 PM |
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Oh yes |
Jim Warren |
Feb-17-07 01:34 PM |
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or wave of the future ? |
mix |
Feb-17-07 01:39 PM |
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Yeah right |
Jim Warren |
Feb-17-07 01:48 PM |
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Obrador was robbed, wasn't he. |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Feb-17-07 02:31 PM |
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are the zapatistas viable still ? |
mix |
Feb-17-07 09:14 PM |
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The Zapatistas |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:37 PM |
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viable movement |
mix |
Feb-18-07 12:46 PM |
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Interesting |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 04:08 PM |
#67 |
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the zapatistas in crisis |
mix |
Feb-19-07 01:06 PM |
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yes |
JVS |
Feb-17-07 01:42 PM |
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More than ever. |
Mika |
Feb-17-07 01:43 PM |
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Socialize the risk and privitize the profits, that is what we are doing |
angstlessk |
Feb-17-07 01:45 PM |
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great quote |
mix |
Feb-17-07 01:48 PM |
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Socialism |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-17-07 01:53 PM |
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List of Socialist Countries: |
BayCityProgressive |
Feb-17-07 02:09 PM |
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Are you seriously citing Turkmenistan and Belarus as countries to emulate? |
liberalpragmatist |
Feb-18-07 12:07 AM |
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Well |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 12:47 AM |
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sorry list |
mix |
Feb-18-07 12:51 PM |
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Brilliant! |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Feb-17-07 02:35 PM |
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in the 1980s |
mix |
Feb-18-07 01:00 PM |
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This question has a flaw that makes it difficult to give a single |
realpolitik |
Feb-17-07 02:10 PM |
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nicely said : coersion by by government or by rich/corporate via government - heck of a choice |
papau |
Feb-17-07 03:20 PM |
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When was it not? |
KCabotDullesMarxIII |
Feb-17-07 02:24 PM |
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We don't have anything resembling either in the US. If you want |
kestrel91316 |
Feb-17-07 09:43 PM |
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Absolutely they are. |
Unvanguard |
Feb-17-07 09:52 PM |
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I think so. |
otherlander |
Feb-17-07 10:38 PM |
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Socialism? Yes. Communism? No. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-07 11:14 PM |
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You were a Marxist? |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:19 PM |
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Of course I do. |
Odin2005 |
Feb-17-07 11:30 PM |
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The way I see it |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:33 PM |
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If the common man ' or proletariat' |
StephenB48 |
Feb-19-07 01:41 PM |
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Lack of perspective |
manic expression |
Feb-19-07 09:29 PM |
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Of course |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:18 PM |
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A mixed economy with a |
cadmium |
Feb-17-07 11:28 PM |
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We tried that |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:34 PM |
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dont see it happening. If it did, I dont trust human |
cadmium |
Feb-17-07 11:49 PM |
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Check out the disparity between rich and poor |
manic expression |
Feb-17-07 11:53 PM |
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Human nature would |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 10:23 AM |
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No it wouldn't |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 10:46 AM |
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How would they handle dissent? |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 10:55 AM |
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Depends on the dissent |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 04:10 PM |
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who decides which is which? I oppose the invasion of Iraq. That could |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 04:45 PM |
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The community |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 04:47 PM |
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but what if the community disagrees and considers it essential? |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 04:49 PM |
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So are you saying that the current administration is protecting the masses from themselves? |
JVS |
Feb-18-07 04:54 PM |
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Did you read the whole thread? I never said |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 05:13 PM |
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Then it does |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 05:15 PM |
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Fun discussion. Silencing anyone deemed to be |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 06:05 PM |
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Totalitarian? |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 08:44 PM |
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The problem with the view many communist have is.. |
EHC |
Feb-19-07 09:21 PM |
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Not true |
manic expression |
Feb-19-07 09:38 PM |
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Why are you worried about what if when you saw our very own Democratic Senators cave on this? |
JVS |
Feb-18-07 04:57 PM |
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we were talking speculating about what a |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 05:08 PM |
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Congress could've stopped it |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 05:18 PM |
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The system failed. What we debate is that |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 05:32 PM |
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The system did exactly what it wanted to |
manic expression |
Feb-18-07 08:40 PM |
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I generally landed on the side of Bakunin as opposed to Marx on methodology |
Selatius |
Feb-19-07 01:24 PM |
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This is where communism loses out to mixed markets |
EHC |
Feb-19-07 09:20 PM |
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This is where mixed-markets have a way of becoming unmixed |
JVS |
Feb-19-07 09:42 PM |
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Why should people be expected to tolerate the intolerable? |
manic expression |
Feb-19-07 09:45 PM |
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Come on, don't you think a mixed feudalism-capitalism system would have worked better? |
JVS |
Feb-19-07 09:46 PM |
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Probably with the methods used currently: Ridicule, Ignoring, and marginalizing seem to be... |
JVS |
Feb-18-07 04:59 PM |
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This country has had many socialistic waves in it's history... |
Virginia Dare |
Feb-18-07 05:45 PM |
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They are. They are the only two ways to save the world... |
Xenotime |
Feb-18-07 10:26 AM |
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If Capitalism Continues to Destroy So Many... |
tlsmith1963 |
Feb-18-07 10:26 AM |
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No |
MATTMAN |
Feb-18-07 10:34 AM |
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The RW thinks Social Services are Socialist |
rman |
Feb-18-07 10:51 AM |
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SOMETHING that is not capitalism |
LWolf |
Feb-18-07 10:52 AM |
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Socialism Is Inevitable In The United States |
Yavin4 |
Feb-18-07 11:02 AM |
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Yes, one day those workers who lost out will organize and take back what they lost |
Selatius |
Feb-19-07 01:42 PM |
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Democratic socialism is still relevant for me |
deutsey |
Feb-18-07 11:41 AM |
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Some sort of Socialism better show up pretty goddamn quick. |
Tyler Durden |
Feb-18-07 11:51 AM |
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I agree with your conclusion. I dont think we a comparable to the |
cadmium |
Feb-18-07 05:42 PM |
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They're smarter nowadays than the Romanovs and early capitalists were |
Selatius |
Feb-19-07 01:46 PM |
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question for the hardcore marxists, communists |
mix |
Feb-18-07 01:15 PM |
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Idealism is a wonderful thing; all you need is someone charismatic to put it to proper use. |
HypnoToad |
Feb-18-07 01:20 PM |
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charisma and politics |
mix |
Feb-19-07 01:03 PM |
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Only for certain industries |
gravity |
Feb-18-07 05:08 PM |
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It depends on how you look at it |
AngryAmish |
Feb-18-07 05:18 PM |
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and how would this translate |
mix |
Feb-19-07 08:53 PM |
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Socialism is communism never was |
dkofos |
Feb-18-07 05:44 PM |
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The pertinent question is whether capitalism is still relevant. |
rug |
Feb-18-07 06:19 PM |
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Only if by "better for human beings" you mean starving millions of them |
Crandor |
Feb-19-07 01:29 PM |
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I'm glad to see your Limbaugh Letter arrived on time. |
rug |
Feb-19-07 08:43 PM |
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No, anymore than Lysenkoism was ever relevant to reality. |
NNadir |
Feb-18-07 08:44 PM |
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what are you some kind of 9/11 conspiracy theorist? |
sweetheart |
Feb-19-07 09:04 PM |
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Actually, we have a new bugaboo these days, |
Cleita |
Feb-19-07 09:51 PM |
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speaking of (read my spam) |
mix |
Feb-20-07 11:17 AM |
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Very true. Totalitarianism is the key word, not the word |
Cleita |
Feb-20-07 12:40 PM |
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Communism No |
BL611 |
Feb-20-07 12:44 PM |
#112 |
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