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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. the parties aren't concerned with democracy -- they've already done the math
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  -Guam to have more say in Democratic Primary than Florida -- nashville_brook  Nov-26-07 10:26 AM   #0 
  - Stop fucking with the primary dates, and problem solved.  Beelzebud   Nov-26-07 10:28 AM   #1 
  - it doesn't matter how it happened -- NO rank and file Floridian had a say in that  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:30 AM   #3 
     - Then the Democratic party in Flordia needs to get it's head out of it's ass.  Beelzebud   Nov-26-07 10:31 AM   #4 
     - time for rank and file Florida Dems to demand a change -- and for now we BETTER get  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:32 AM   #7 
     - Now that I agree on! Get some new leadership in the FL Democratic party.  Beelzebud   Nov-26-07 10:34 AM   #9 
        - if this isn't a clarion call, i don't know what is -- but, as it stands, it's the FL Dem party  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:38 AM   #13 
     - we need to get rid of the Dem at the top of the heap..but too many are conned by her!  flyarm   Nov-26-07 10:39 AM   #14 
     - so what do we do? WHERE ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? i've asked this many times before here...  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:40 AM   # 
     - get to DEC meetings..get others to go with you..make up groups and explain what is going on  flyarm   Nov-26-07 11:27 AM   #54 
        - so, what's your group? how do i get involved?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:35 AM   #56 
           - Here's what I found from a simple search  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:24 PM   #79 
           - sorry i do not give out info on my group on a public message board..go through  flyarm   Nov-26-07 03:29 PM   #83 
     - Was gonna suggest following the $$ and finding Republicans behind it  havocmom   Nov-26-07 10:55 AM   #34 
     - My understanding is the Repub majority in the FL legistlature did this  magellan   Nov-26-07 10:45 AM   #22 
        - yeah -- and it's not just what we see on the surface. the soul of democracy is being CRUSHED.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:45 AM   #23 
        - yeah the repigs started this but the dems voted for it!...  flyarm   Nov-26-07 11:37 AM   #58 
     - It does matter.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 10:38 AM   #12 
        - it's going to matter to anyone who doesn't Hillary --  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:39 AM   #15 
           - There have already been lawsuits.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 10:40 AM   #16 
              - yes we know - and it's only the start.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:43 AM   #19 
                 - the law up to and including the supreme court supports the DNC postition!!..eom  flyarm   Nov-26-07 01:05 PM   #76 
  - If the Dems were as tough with the Repubs as they are with their own....  magellan   Nov-26-07 10:29 AM   #2 
  - you can bet your sweet bippy the repukes will be seating florida delegates  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:32 AM   #5 
  - 5 Repuke primaries are having their delegates cut in half  tekisui   Nov-26-07 10:32 AM   #6 
     - the parties aren't concerned with democracy -- they've already done the math  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:33 AM   #8 
        - This is Florida's fault.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 10:37 AM   #11 
           - look state dems voted for this..don't blame it on anyone but who is responsible..  flyarm   Nov-26-07 10:43 AM   #20 
           - and... we don't see Michigan losing delegates now do we?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:46 AM   #25 
              - Michigan is losing delegates too.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 11:03 AM   #42 
                 - not according to the Democratic National Convention website  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:05 AM   #45 
                    - It may not be up to date  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 11:10 AM   #48 
                       - their primary is set before Florida's -- you'd think they'd be "punished" too  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:21 AM   #52 
                          - That's the plan.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 11:25 AM   #53 
                             - this was all planned to benefit hillary ..this has been even cited  flyarm   Nov-26-07 11:41 AM   #60 
                                - if you read it then it must be true!  foo_bar   Nov-26-07 12:31 PM   #73 
  - It's Florida's fault  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 10:36 AM   #10 
  - oh -- the Repukes are "cutting" delegates BY HALF -- and that somehow makes this even?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:42 AM   #17 
     - I don't think it makes it even or right.  tekisui   Nov-26-07 10:49 AM   #30 
     - i think that misses the point -- this is supposed to be a democracy  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:56 AM   #37 
     - Maybe you don't realize that primaries select delegates that nominate the nominee  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 10:56 AM   #36 
        - so the Dems having ZERO and the Repukes having HALF -- b/c of all the difficult math  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:59 AM   #39 
           - That's the rules.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 11:04 AM   #44 
              - my statement is about equality -- it's clearly not equitible.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:07 AM   #46 
                 - Everybody is under the same rules  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 11:10 AM   #49 
  - This is a good thing.  Dr.Phool   Nov-26-07 10:43 AM   #18 
  - so, a whole state falling into permanent apathy is a good thing -- why even bother with DU?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:44 AM   #21 
  - oh believe me ..it is not apathy by people in the party..it is deliberate...  flyarm   Nov-26-07 10:48 AM   #27 
  - apathy on the part of The People (anyone remember them?) -- why should anyone  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:49 AM   #29 
     - we need the people to show up at DEC meetings and we need the people  flyarm   Nov-26-07 11:04 AM   #43 
        - as someone once involved in FL politics, do you know anyone doing this?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:09 AM   #47 
           - yeah ..me!! and i can name a few others..look them up..  flyarm   Nov-26-07 03:31 PM   #84 
  - The FDP has prety much forced apathy on the state.  Dr.Phool   Nov-26-07 10:50 AM   #32 
     - so, what's being done about it? anyone know?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:01 AM   #40 
        - A couple of people have challenged them.  Dr.Phool   Nov-26-07 11:43 AM   #62 
           - wow -- two people TRIED to do something and you can't distance yourself quick and far enough.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:48 AM   #66 
              - You obviously don't know me.  Dr.Phool   Nov-26-07 11:57 AM   #71 
                 - as someone who has been involved at such high levels in the past, you would know  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 12:12 PM   #72 
  - Hi Doc Phool..i was a delegate in 2004..good thing i ran last time!!  flyarm   Nov-26-07 10:46 AM   #24 
  - this is why EVERYONE needs to care about this! it makes the whole election a SHAM.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:48 AM   #26 
     - we have been caring about this ..many of us floridians have been writing and exposing it ..  flyarm   Nov-26-07 10:50 AM   # 
        - well, ride that Zeitgeist for all it's worth mista' -- this news isn't going away  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:53 AM   #33 
        - Yep, they don't have to listen to us.  magellan   Nov-26-07 11:13 AM   #50 
           - it was said on KO that "the left has no where to go"  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:16 AM   #51 
              - I heard that too, it's infuriating  magellan   Nov-26-07 11:30 AM   #55 
  - Exactly  magellan   Nov-26-07 10:48 AM   #28 
     - talk about party "purity" -- how about election "purity" -- an election where EVERY state counts!  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:50 AM   #31 
     - look dem fla state legislators knew exactly what was going to happen..they were warned about doing  flyarm   Nov-26-07 10:56 AM   #35 
        - i agree with your DLC assessment -- what i'm saying is this is a cancer on the whole of democracy  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 10:58 AM   #38 
     - absolutely!!!...eom  flyarm   Nov-26-07 11:01 AM   #41 
  - Florida agreed to follow the schedule and later reneged.  Alexander   Nov-26-07 11:36 AM   #57 
  - i didn't vote for the primary change and neither did any rank and file FL DEM.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:44 AM   #63 
  - This is a bullshit response.  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:21 PM   #78 
     - Too bad they aren't so anal about obeying the US Constitution n/t  magellan   Nov-26-07 01:31 PM   #80 
        - Who?  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:33 PM   #81 
           - The National Party  magellan   Nov-26-07 01:39 PM   #82 
  - *FL voters* didn't renege on anything  magellan   Nov-26-07 11:48 AM   #67 
  - actually i don't know any dems in fla who agreed to this but the rank and file dlc dems!  flyarm   Nov-26-07 12:59 PM   #74 
  - Good for Guam.....Florida did it on purpose to be big shots...screwed up.  madfloridian   Nov-26-07 11:38 AM   #59 
     - that's all fine and good. good for you for being a prolific writer -- unfortunately,  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:43 AM   #61 
     - You don't want truth....you want to sound off...sound and fury.  madfloridian   Nov-26-07 11:47 AM   #64 
     - you have nothing. you have no positive input. you just want to be mad.  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:49 AM   #68 
        - There is nothing positive about what Florida did.  madfloridian   Nov-26-07 11:54 AM   #69 
        - if "me first" is a serious disease, what do you call the disenfranchisement of whole states?  nashville_brook   Nov-26-07 11:57 AM   #70 
        - Actually, you are describing yourself  Bleachers7   Nov-26-07 01:18 PM   #77 
     - Democrazy?  Dr.Phool   Nov-26-07 11:47 AM   #65 
     - thank you Madfloridian...  flyarm   Nov-26-07 01:02 PM   #75 
 

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