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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 06:26 AM
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33. Many peopel have 'identified and acknowledged' that their countries had deep systemic problems that
needed fixing.

Hitler did. So did Stalin. On a much less extreme, but still baleful, level, so did Thatcher and Reagan.

The question is not just whether you acknowledge that such problems exist and need fixing, but *what* you think the problems are, and *what* you think needs to be done about it.

I hadn't heard of Paul till I came to DU. Then I looked at his website, and was shocked.
This is from a speech that he made a few years ago, that is still on his website so presumably represents his current policies - AARRRGGGHHHH!!!



'A Republic, If You Can Keep It
Dr. Ron PaulU.S. Representative from Texas

Address to the U.S. House of Representativesdelivered on the Floor of the House January 31 - February 2, 2000

....The modern-day welfare state has steadily grown since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The federal government is now involved in providing health care, houses, unemployment benefits, education, food stamps to millions, plus all kinds of subsidies to every conceivable special-interest group. Welfare is now part of our culture, costing hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is now thought to be a "right," something one is "entitled" to. Calling it an "entitlement" makes it sound proper and respectable and not based on theft. Anyone who has a need, desire, or demand and can get the politicians' attention will get what he wants, even though it may be at the expense of someone else. Today it is considered morally right and politically correct to promote the welfare state. Any suggestion otherwise is considered political suicide.
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....Controlled curricula have downplayed the importance of our constitutional heritage while indoctrinating our children, even in kindergarten, with environmental mythology, internationalism, and sexual liberation. Neighborhood schools in the early part of the 20th Century did not experience this kind of propaganda.

....It is now accepted that people who need (medical) care are entitled to it as a right. This is a serious error in judgment.

...Probably the most significant change in attitude that occurred in the 20th Century was that with respect to life itself. Although abortion has been performed for hundreds if not thousands of years, it was rarely considered an acceptable and routine medical procedure without moral consequence. Since 1973 abortion in America has become routine and justified by a contorted understanding of the right to privacy. The difference between American's rejection of abortions at the beginning of the century, compared to today's casual acceptance, is like night and day. Although a vocal number of Americans express their disgust with abortion on demand, our legislative bodies and the courts claim that the procedure is a constitutionally protected right, disregarding all scientific evidence and legal precedents that recognize the unborn as a legal living entity deserving protection of the law. Ironically the greatest proponents of abortion are the same ones who advocate imprisonment for anyone who disturbs the natural habitat of a toad.

....The welfare system has mocked the concept of marriage in the name of political correctness, economic egalitarianism, and hetero-phobia.


....Any academic discussion questioning the wisdom of our policies surrounding World War II is met with shrill accusations of anti-Semitism and Nazi lover. No one is even permitted without derision by the media, the university intellectuals, and the politicians to ask why the United States allied itself with the murdering Soviets and then turned over Eastern Europe to them...'


I am not open-minded about people who have such indescribably evil views as those listed above. Especially if they could get into power.
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  -Let me tell you about some Ron Paul supporters Ishoutandscream2  Nov-23-07 08:09 PM   #0 
  - ro paul flyers all over our downtown area tonight - "join the RP revolution" they say and  msongs   Nov-23-07 08:15 PM   #1 
  - Huh?  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 08:49 PM   #6 
  - Let me tell you about my son  PATRICK   Nov-23-07 08:34 PM   #2 
  - Good post,  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 08:48 PM   #5 
  - Have you tried to talk to him about other "fringe" candidates?  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-23-07 08:49 PM   #7 
     - A different avenue of revolt  PATRICK   Nov-24-07 10:44 AM   #56 
  - Ron Paul is just the lastest cult of personality figure for the clueless  Kahuna   Nov-23-07 08:36 PM   #3 
  - 2007's Ross Perot  wtmusic   Nov-24-07 11:41 PM   #76 
     - Ahh my favorite Chris Dodd guy  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 11:47 PM   #77 
        - Evening SS  wtmusic   Nov-24-07 11:54 PM   #80 
  - "bat shit crazy insane libertarianism"  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 08:45 PM   #4 
  - And drowning govt. in a bathtub IS batshit crazy  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-23-07 08:53 PM   #8 
  - Are dems fooled by him  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 09:04 PM   #11 
     - Yes, there are some. Some of them have been here at DU  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-23-07 09:49 PM   #22 
        - Then they are not paying attention  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 10:23 PM   #28 
        - he doesn't talk about the issues. he doesn't advocate a return  cali   Nov-24-07 06:48 AM   #38 
           - Nice accusation  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 08:02 AM   #47 
        - Well, there have been a few that admired him for his anti-war stance...  Orsino   Nov-24-07 07:02 AM   #43 
           - I agree with his anti-war stance but I don't support him  proud2Blib   Nov-24-07 10:46 AM   #57 
  - 'Who would you rather have running the Republican Party, the neo-cons or Ron Paulites?'  LeftishBrit   Nov-24-07 06:14 AM   #32 
  - neither. that's an impossible choice.  cali   Nov-24-07 06:45 AM   #37 
     - How so  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 08:00 AM   #45 
        - you mean how are Paul's policies murderous if they actually  cali   Nov-24-07 08:06 AM   #49 
           - For example, his policies would let people die if they couldn't afford medical care.  LeftishBrit   Nov-24-07 11:00 AM   #61 
  - My crazy neighbor has a Ron Paul sign in his yard  proud2Blib   Nov-23-07 08:59 PM   #9 
  - he believes  DaveinMD   Nov-23-07 09:00 PM   #10 
  - Calling Paulites names  Win   Nov-23-07 09:18 PM   #12 
  - Outstanding post Win  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 09:42 PM   #20 
  - My open mindedness ends  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-23-07 09:59 PM   #23 
  - Well good for you  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 10:19 PM   #26 
     - Have you read his remarks?  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-23-07 10:58 PM   #29 
        - No and I dont know how you could even think that was my position  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 11:04 PM   #30 
           - Many peopel have 'identified and acknowledged' that their countries had deep systemic problems that  LeftishBrit   Nov-24-07 06:26 AM   #33 
              - Misguided yes  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 07:59 AM   #44 
                 - I think that trampling on the poor and sick is pretty evil, yes.  LeftishBrit   Nov-24-07 10:55 AM   #60 
  - Amen Brother  nightrider767   Nov-24-07 12:20 AM   #31 
  - don't let your brains fall out.  cali   Nov-24-07 06:55 AM   #39 
  - Thanks for that  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 08:04 AM   #48 
  - I met a lot of Ron Paul supporters at our Repub straw poll protest  w8liftinglady   Nov-24-07 08:33 AM   #54 
  - Excellent point  proud2Blib   Nov-24-07 10:50 AM   #58 
  - OT, but are you talking about the Repub straw poll in Texas?  proud2Blib   Nov-24-07 10:52 AM   #59 
  - Yes-I was there with Veterans for Peace  w8liftinglady   Nov-25-07 05:37 AM   #81 
  - Ron Paul has something that none of our candidates do  wtmusic   Nov-24-07 11:50 PM   #79 
  - Welcome ... But ... Ron and his buddies are INDEED BAT SHIT CRAZY!  GoneOffShore   Nov-24-07 09:35 PM   #71 
  - I want Washington to take more of my money  wtmusic   Nov-24-07 11:48 PM   #78 
  - What an eloquent post, a breath of sensible fresh air.  Islander Expat   Nov-25-07 05:53 AM   #82 
  - Adds to their power.... sanrf  trumad   Nov-25-07 06:26 AM   #85 
  - His supporters raised an incredible amount of money for a fringe candidate  Solar_Power   Nov-23-07 09:19 PM   #13 
  - Ron Paul supporters are planning a $10 million money bomb day  Solar_Power   Nov-23-07 09:22 PM   #14 
     - So is Dennis, I think -- on the 15th if I'm not mistaken. I hope Dennis  gateley   Nov-23-07 09:41 PM   #19 
  - Living in Massachusetts..  stillcool47   Nov-23-07 09:29 PM   #15 
  - His stance on abortion is that the fed govt has no stance  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 09:37 PM   #16 
  - bullshit. fucking enough of your crap about how great Paul is.  cali   Nov-24-07 06:59 AM   #41 
  - Ha how dare he spend all that money on ads  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 09:38 PM   #17 
     - Not how dare he....more how dare they!!  stillcool47   Nov-23-07 10:15 PM   #25 
  - I wondered where the LaRouchies ended up.  rug   Nov-23-07 09:40 PM   #18 
  - LOL - I just said almost the same thing on another thread! Shades of Lyndon LaRouche. -eom  Justitia   Nov-23-07 09:45 PM   #21 
  - Yup, and just as slavishly devotional, too. LOL! nt  blondeatlast   Nov-24-07 06:31 AM   #34 
  - I have been seeing lots of Ron Paul signs in Ohio  doc03   Nov-23-07 10:12 PM   #24 
  - Mostly the same group  SharkSquid   Nov-23-07 10:20 PM   #27 
  - His demography seems to be alienated white males who think all government is evil.  Perry Logan   Nov-24-07 06:32 AM   #35 
  - Libertarianism is the flavor de jure because we don't appear  mmonk   Nov-24-07 06:39 AM   #36 
  - Cut-and-run conservatives...  Orsino   Nov-24-07 06:59 AM   #42 
  - Don't forget the racist/xenophobe appeal.  Orsino   Nov-24-07 06:57 AM   #40 
  - I am going to stop here  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 08:06 AM   #50 
     - too late. in thread after thread you've done more than  cali   Nov-24-07 08:09 AM   #51 
     - Your detective skills are admirable  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 08:22 AM   #53 
     - Yes, I believe you are correct  Ishoutandscream2   Nov-24-07 11:02 AM   #62 
        - Reading Assignment  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 02:18 PM   #67 
     - It's not possible to defend him on this point, anyway.  Orsino   Nov-24-07 08:39 AM   #55 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-07 02:15 PM   #66 
           - Ah. So the "n" word is out, but the "r" word is in.  Orsino   Nov-24-07 06:03 PM   #68 
              - Sorry  SharkSquid   Nov-24-07 09:58 PM   #72 
  - I berate one daily on my way home. He hides behind his sign when he sees me coming.  lonestarnot   Nov-24-07 08:00 AM   #46 
  - Ron Paul is just a new version of Ross Perot  blogslut   Nov-24-07 08:18 AM   #52 
  - Has anyone else seen the "R'evol'ution" signs?  MJDuncan1982   Nov-24-07 11:35 AM   #63 
  - And he's big on 'state's rights...'  femrap   Nov-24-07 12:01 PM   #64 
  - And I have to wonder how many DUers  question everything   Nov-24-07 01:57 PM   #65 
  - K&R  DeepModem Mom   Nov-24-07 07:18 PM   #69 
  - Exchanging one set of masters for another  GeneCosta   Nov-24-07 07:47 PM   #70 
  - Do you have any idea how much I HATE the way the gov. spends my money?  IronLionZion   Nov-24-07 11:26 PM   #73 
  - The Repub govt. takes your money and gives it to corporations  IronLionZion   Nov-24-07 11:33 PM   #74 
  - After that first Republican debate,  Le Taz Hot   Nov-24-07 11:35 PM   #75 
  - They remind me of scientologists advertising 'personality tests.'  philosophie_en_rose   Nov-25-07 05:55 AM   #83 
  - So what will they do when they retire or become disabled  dailykoff   Nov-25-07 06:07 AM   #84 
 

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