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Fri Nov-23-07 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #92 |
| 110. It's self-defeating: if one really wants to win the general, it's counterproductive ... |
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| -Kucinich- Dems promise to end war "TOTAL FRAUD" |
lame54 |
Nov-23-07 09:52 AM |
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Rec #5. He's right. |
flvegan |
Nov-23-07 10:04 AM |
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One more reason not to trust Mrs. Clinton |
Reno.Muse |
Nov-23-07 10:04 AM |
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Or a reason not to trust Kucinich. |
aquart |
Nov-23-07 10:06 AM |
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? |
hootinholler |
Nov-23-07 11:17 AM |
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Yeah, one of the most assinine things I've ever read. He may not have a chance in Hell of being Prez |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-23-07 05:35 PM |
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assinine? ummmmm.... |
toadzilla |
Nov-23-07 08:57 PM |
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Whom are you chiding? Me or the one who posted "Or a reason not to trust Kucinich." ? nt |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-24-07 01:06 AM |
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why wouldn't you trust Kucinich |
focusfan |
Nov-24-07 08:34 AM |
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Trusting Clinton would be a hugh mistake for this country!!! |
BlueJac |
Nov-23-07 10:08 AM |
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Hillary is a de facto GWB when it comes to war and corporate strings |
Solar_Power |
Nov-23-07 10:49 AM |
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I am no fan of HRC, but that is as disingenuous as Nader calling Gore equivalent to Bush...eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 12:29 PM |
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Agreed |
So_Cal_Flehm |
Nov-23-07 09:54 PM |
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Im SERIES!!!1! |
lynnertic |
Nov-24-07 09:23 AM |
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also she is backed by BIG OIL!!! |
april |
Nov-24-07 07:11 AM |
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Fraud seems to be the appropriate word for yet another "pie in the sky" bill. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-23-07 10:09 AM |
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"Non-binding" is synonymous with "posturing and hypocritical lip service." |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:02 PM |
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If they're still able |
zidzi |
Nov-23-07 08:11 PM |
#79 |
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You are absolutely correct here. |
emperor72 |
Nov-23-07 08:13 PM |
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I believe that future generateions will look upon us in the same way we look upon "Good Germans". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-23-07 08:13 PM |
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Agreed. Absolutely. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:15 PM |
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im sorry |
muryan |
Nov-23-07 11:59 PM |
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how is that? it's exactly correct. atrocities are being committed hourly |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 04:55 AM |
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Replace "good Germans" with the "good Democrats" and we'll be right on time. |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 05:43 PM |
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F an A right! |
gulfcoastliberal |
Nov-25-07 08:12 PM |
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DK is right. |
FtWayneBlue |
Nov-23-07 10:11 AM |
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kick for Dennis |
ixion |
Nov-23-07 10:44 AM |
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Spot on |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-23-07 10:52 AM |
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Pretty much. |
mmonk |
Nov-23-07 10:53 AM |
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He's a good man. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-23-07 10:59 AM |
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You're right. I'm glad he's out there speaking up. He'll not |
Rydz777 |
Nov-23-07 12:28 PM |
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If you actually support Dennis, |
rjones2818 |
Nov-23-07 02:55 PM |
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oh, you're a fortune teller? so who IS going to be president? how does |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 04:56 AM |
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K&R |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Nov-23-07 11:01 AM |
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Thanks Dennis! |
stimbox |
Nov-23-07 11:13 AM |
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Keep telling it like it is Dennis! |
Dr.Phool |
Nov-23-07 11:19 AM |
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Dems were voted in on this issue alone |
windoe |
Nov-23-07 11:24 AM |
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In Ohio, the issue was the Governor's corruption |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 12:20 PM |
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OK, fine...Congressional and Senatorial Democrats were voted in to stop the war. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 07:00 PM |
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We were voted in to "change direction" we didn't not promise to end the war. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 01:31 PM |
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How has the direction changed? |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-23-07 06:32 PM |
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We're not at war with Iran and we've put up a partial funding bill for starters. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:25 PM |
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You mean "politically correct," as opposed to honest. |
puebloknot |
Nov-23-07 07:35 PM |
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I don't think Dennis is incredibly smart "politically" - personally |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:27 PM |
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more REAL Democrats, not fake ones like Pelosi or wishy-washy |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 05:02 AM |
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People who vote for Pelosi and/or HRC consider them "real." |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:06 PM |
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I think he is using strong rhetoric to undermine a dangerous strategy |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-24-07 01:43 PM |
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I think there is more thoughtful/accurate "strong" rhetoric to use. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 02:05 PM |
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Good grief!! Is that why Dems were in an orgasm to elect veterans like Webb? |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:08 PM |
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I'm not denying a thing. I realize we were elected to 'change course' in Iraq. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:45 PM |
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Help Dennis "Light Up Black Friday" -> |
IndyOp |
Nov-23-07 11:38 AM |
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Dennis had better watch out. He might get his ass |
MindPilot |
Nov-23-07 11:46 AM |
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There is nothing *wrong* with the US training Iraqi military and police |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 12:25 PM |
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Wrong |
Doctor Panacea |
Nov-23-07 02:10 PM |
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There's PLENTY wrong with it. K&R |
dicksteele |
Nov-23-07 02:19 PM |
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We're an occupying army |
Hydra |
Nov-23-07 02:30 PM |
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Bullshit! Dems are playing the beltway game of keeping our involvement in Iraq. |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-07 02:36 PM |
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The shittily-written Telegraph article does not say what Kucinich's plan for Iraq is |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:07 PM |
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Dennis is commmitting "fraud" when he claims the UN will go in. They have SAID they will not. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:49 PM |
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Yeah. Right. Welcome to Viet Nam. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 02:47 PM |
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Why don't we just stay there 'til everything's |
rjones2818 |
Nov-23-07 02:57 PM |
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Bush and our leaders want us to stay til "everything's hunky dory" |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 05:51 PM |
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When did I hear this too? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-07 03:48 PM |
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Kipling was in Vietnam? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:03 PM |
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By what right? |
Gonnuts |
Nov-23-07 04:54 PM |
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because they live where one of the first civilizations in the world were? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:02 PM |
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We've done enough, the Iraqis can handle it from here (n/t) |
harun |
Nov-23-07 05:22 PM |
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the complexities to this situation are of our on manufacturing |
ldf |
Nov-24-07 01:59 PM |
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little lord pissypants would have been the shame of the republican party had he not invaded Iraq |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-25-07 07:33 AM |
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Yep. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 02:06 PM |
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K&R |
L0oniX |
Nov-23-07 01:16 PM |
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Dennis, campaigning for Republicans once again! |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 01:29 PM |
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Nonsense...the republicans love what our centrist blue dog dems are doing |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-07 02:44 PM |
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The Republicans love what Dennis Kucinich is doing. Centrists like Jim Webb |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 03:54 PM |
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Riiight ... |
Gonnuts |
Nov-23-07 05:08 PM |
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Dennis is appealing to the base with rhetoric that he knows will do so. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 06:15 PM |
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Not likely |
mrone2 |
Nov-23-07 05:40 PM |
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My rear. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 06:19 PM |
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Oh, So "Excluding" issues is how you want look at it? |
mrone2 |
Nov-23-07 10:45 PM |
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I never said Foreign Policy is not imporant. What I said was that is the only issue |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:12 PM |
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I see you conveniently left out some NARAL scores on Kucinich... |
BeHereNow |
Nov-23-07 11:27 PM |
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No, I didn't conveniently leave them out. My point is that he gasp "changed" |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:28 PM |
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I Commend Dennis for His Struggle on Such a Personal and Emotional Issue |
mrone2 |
Nov-24-07 09:18 AM |
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I lean Edwards then Obama, not Hillary. However, calling her a Republican because she had |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:35 PM |
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(1) The objective is to preserve justice and democracy, NOT 'frighten' anyone, and (2) Nonsense |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 06:06 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich is giving excuses to those who wish to perpetuate another eight years of hell |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 06:11 PM |
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No, it's those who misguidedly join in the sneeringly condescending rejection of ... |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 06:31 PM |
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Really? Would women be better off if people followed Dennis's voting record six years ago? |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:20 PM |
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Here's one for starters |
magellan |
Nov-24-07 01:01 AM |
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That's not a promise to "get out of Iraq." That's a promise to make ending the war a priority. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:47 PM |
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You're parsing words |
magellan |
Nov-24-07 06:02 PM |
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I'm not parsing words, I'm making an important distinction. |
mzmolly |
Nov-25-07 02:36 PM |
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And I'm saying your important distinction isn't. |
magellan |
Nov-25-07 03:25 PM |
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Exit polls do not support that conclusion. |
mzmolly |
Nov-25-07 04:30 PM |
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You want to talk polls? |
magellan |
Nov-25-07 07:57 PM |
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That poll has nothing to do with Dennis's claim. |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 11:37 AM |
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That poll speaks directly to what Americans expected from the Congress they elected |
magellan |
Nov-26-07 11:58 AM |
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As I said, I am among the disappointed. However, being disappointed is not license |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 01:43 PM |
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It's not BS |
magellan |
Nov-26-07 01:52 PM |
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I think we've both made our case? |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 04:10 PM |
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LOL, now I can't very well let you have the last word |
magellan |
Nov-26-07 05:52 PM |
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"I'm glad we could discuss this without getting ratty with each other." |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 06:06 PM |
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So, the ONLY viable option for getting sufficient exposure... |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-23-07 10:06 PM |
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"the only one who's not broken his oath of office..." |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:20 PM |
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Bull effing Shit. Defend and uphold the Constitution. FULL STOP. |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-23-07 11:58 PM |
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What do Dennis Kucinich's comments on the "promise to end the war" have to do with |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:03 AM |
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You have, just now, revealed your complete ignorance in the arena of politics. |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 12:13 AM |
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You have revealed your ignorance on the topic of THIS discussion. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:16 AM |
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So we're going to play that game are we? |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-24-07 01:04 AM |
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What oath of office requires office holders to 'end war?' |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:00 PM |
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Not a one. It simply requires that they not commit or permit illegal... |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-24-07 02:25 PM |
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Your game is to avoid the subject. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 03:16 PM |
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What subject? Kucinich called his fellows a bunch of fraudsters. |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-24-07 07:27 PM |
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I don't put expediency ahead of what's "right" I wish to win so we can do what is right. |
mzmolly |
Nov-25-07 02:32 PM |
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What is RIGHT is abandoning US foreign policy of the past sixty odd years. |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-25-07 11:22 PM |
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Precisely. Want more Empire? |
BeHereNow |
Nov-26-07 12:45 AM |
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Again, that is not the topic of this thread. |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 11:49 AM |
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Thank you for that- personally I am tired of dealing with idiots. n/t |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 05:45 PM |
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I am going to call you on your statements and explain why Kucinich plays an essential role.......... |
Morereason |
Nov-24-07 01:01 AM |
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I like Kucinich, I don't like his sloppy, inaccurate comments above. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:48 PM |
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But then again |
mrone2 |
Nov-24-07 09:44 AM |
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Has 70% of the American Public seen a UFO? Does 70% of the public believe in a |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:49 PM |
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Good to see you back in such fine fettle TH! |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-23-07 07:47 PM |
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Thanks, my friend! That's a perfect quote. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:10 PM |
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Yeah, except I'm not defending moderate principals. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:33 PM |
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We're putting party loyalty ahead of obvious truth now? |
Marr |
Nov-23-07 09:46 PM |
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No, I don't think what Dennis said was "truth." |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:34 PM |
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I do. |
Marr |
Nov-24-07 12:54 AM |
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I WISH he were questioning the "leadership" he's not. He's questioning "Democrats." |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:52 PM |
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And what is it you are doing? |
BushDespiser12 |
Nov-23-07 10:28 PM |
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Oh please. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:39 PM |
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Dennis is just stating the obvious. |
sellitman |
Nov-23-07 02:29 PM |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Nov-23-07 02:46 PM |
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Kucinich is right |
kurth |
Nov-23-07 02:48 PM |
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As an independent, it puzzles me when "Democrats" attack Kooch for speaking the TRUTH. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 02:52 PM |
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I have been posting this for a while. |
Disturbed |
Nov-23-07 03:48 PM |
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When appetite for partisan power, no matter how rationalized, motivates complicity .... |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 04:31 PM |
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Is the Democratic Party an "authoritarian social organization"? ... eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:16 PM |
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Yup. It's hierarchical. It's got "top-down" ideologies. It's a corporation. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 07:22 PM |
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Thanks for writing |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:26 PM |
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Of course. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 07:29 PM |
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And it is still has not become any more true--"Dems want to keep the Fiasco going for their benefit" |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:14 PM |
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The delusional mentality is called "Politics: American Idol Style." |
BeHereNow |
Nov-23-07 05:10 PM |
#49 |
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I'm not attacking Dennis for speaking the truth. I don't find his comments truthful. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:41 PM |
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very unsettling. |
Whisp |
Nov-24-07 06:33 PM |
#167 |
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The only one with guts. A pity there isn't at least one more like him. n/t |
deacon |
Nov-23-07 03:45 PM |
#38 |
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Gravel is like that but his manner seems to turn people off. |
Disturbed |
Nov-23-07 03:57 PM |
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Damn Straight! not with hillary or edwards or obama... will be there for years |
Tom Joad |
Nov-23-07 04:03 PM |
#43 |
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Oh, I just remembered that Bill Richardson has called for |
Disturbed |
Nov-23-07 04:06 PM |
#44 |
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yeah, maybe Bill too. |
Tom Joad |
Nov-23-07 04:32 PM |
#46 |
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I thought Edwards |
disndat |
Nov-23-07 05:44 PM |
#53 |
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what the heck does any of this all matter when two or three states back east |
demigoddess |
Nov-23-07 06:58 PM |
#61 |
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Well, candidate Kucinich thinks that he is building a "movement" |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:09 PM |
#66 |
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Really cynical, and not in keeping with Kucinich's modus operandi. |
puebloknot |
Nov-23-07 07:39 PM |
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why Kucinich plays an essential role.................... |
Morereason |
Nov-24-07 01:11 AM |
#126 |
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A "National Primary Day" would be closer to Runoff Voting than what we've got, for sure. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 10:21 PM |
#95 |
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Kucinich is absolutely right... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-23-07 07:54 PM |
#75 |
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Kucinich is absolutely correct, we are in Iraq because Big Oil and Big Money want us in Iraq |
whistle |
Nov-23-07 08:31 PM |
#83 |
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Is this why the bushites |
zidzi |
Nov-23-07 08:49 PM |
#84 |
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This is another Vietnam |
lovuian |
Nov-23-07 08:51 PM |
#85 |
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I just want to remind folks of some history, in support of Kucinich's statement. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-23-07 08:55 PM |
#86 |
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So DK's running for the D nomination on a platform of attacking Ds? |
struggle4progress |
Nov-23-07 09:41 PM |
#88 |
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Better than running for the D nomination with a platform of R-lite planks. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 10:13 PM |
#92 |
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It's self-defeating: if one really wants to win the general, it's counterproductive ... |
struggle4progress |
Nov-23-07 11:33 PM |
#110 |
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No, Dennis is running for the nomination by exposing the corporatists who have BETRAYED the party |
BeHereNow |
Nov-23-07 10:16 PM |
#93 |
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Agreed. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:46 PM |
#102 |
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Pelosi et al rasied the expectation among voters |
magellan |
Nov-24-07 01:09 AM |
#125 |
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House passes spending bill with Iraq deadline (Mar 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 01:45 PM |
#153 |
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House Passes $50B Iraq Withdrawal Bill (Nov 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 01:47 PM |
#154 |
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oh right, like campaigning doesn't include pointing out the others' |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 05:00 AM |
#129 |
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Th'Dems aint the source of th'corruption an lies |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 01:49 PM |
#155 |
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the "source"? what does that mean? many are eager participants (nt) |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 02:03 PM |
#157 |
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You completely failed to notice the wide-spread Republican culture of corruption? |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 09:08 PM |
#169 |
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Come on you guys. Donate! |
Holland |
Nov-23-07 10:35 PM |
#99 |
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I've been making it happen. At $100/month. A million of us would make it |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-23-07 11:41 PM |
#114 |
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It's a "Dime's Worth of Difference" statement. |
tomreedtoon |
Nov-23-07 11:21 PM |
#106 |
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Kucinich is the ONLY one. He's the only one electable |
upi402 |
Nov-24-07 05:05 AM |
#131 |
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What are you smoking? |
Mutineer |
Nov-24-07 07:13 AM |
#133 |
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"They want to be on all sides of the issue..." EXACTLY! and that's a dead give away! |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-07 07:22 AM |
#134 |
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F an A right! K&R!! nt |
gulfcoastliberal |
Nov-24-07 07:49 AM |
#135 |
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i guess he knows what he's talking about |
focusfan |
Nov-24-07 08:33 AM |
#136 |
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one politician saying all others are lying, |
Froward69 |
Nov-24-07 08:51 AM |
#138 |
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Good for him!! |
proud2Blib |
Nov-24-07 09:19 AM |
#140 |
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THE WAR ON TERROR IS A TOTAL FRAUD |
seemslikeadream |
Nov-24-07 09:24 AM |
#142 |
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This is why Dennis gets my vote and not Hillary. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-24-07 10:15 AM |
#144 |
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Me too. I don't buy the "unelectable" hype anymore |
upi402 |
Nov-24-07 03:19 PM |
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CORPORATE MEDIA PROPAGANDA! Exactly what the smear on DK is about...And look how many DUers BUY it! |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 05:18 PM |
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Grist for the mill, be here now |
upi402 |
Nov-25-07 01:32 AM |
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Yep, he's right. Remember Nixon's "secret plan" to end the Vietnam war? nt |
raccoon |
Nov-26-07 12:00 PM |
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