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109. Yeah, except I'm not defending moderate principals.
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  -Kucinich- Dems promise to end war "TOTAL FRAUD" lame54  Nov-23-07 09:52 AM   #0 
  - Rec #5. He's right.  flvegan   Nov-23-07 10:04 AM   #1 
  - One more reason not to trust Mrs. Clinton  Reno.Muse   Nov-23-07 10:04 AM   #2 
  - Or a reason not to trust Kucinich.  aquart   Nov-23-07 10:06 AM   #3 
  - ?  hootinholler   Nov-23-07 11:17 AM   #14 
  - Yeah, one of the most assinine things I've ever read. He may not have a chance in Hell of being Prez  DRoseDARs   Nov-23-07 05:35 PM   #51 
     - assinine? ummmmm....  toadzilla   Nov-23-07 08:57 PM   #87 
        - Whom are you chiding? Me or the one who posted "Or a reason not to trust Kucinich." ? nt  DRoseDARs   Nov-24-07 01:06 AM   #124 
  - why wouldn't you trust Kucinich  focusfan   Nov-24-07 08:34 AM   #137 
  - Trusting Clinton would be a hugh mistake for this country!!!  BlueJac   Nov-23-07 10:08 AM   #4 
  - Hillary is a de facto GWB when it comes to war and corporate strings  Solar_Power   Nov-23-07 10:49 AM   #8 
  - I am no fan of HRC, but that is as disingenuous as Nader calling Gore equivalent to Bush...eom  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 12:29 PM   #22 
  - Agreed  So_Cal_Flehm   Nov-23-07 09:54 PM   #90 
  - Im SERIES!!!1!  lynnertic   Nov-24-07 09:23 AM   #141 
  - also she is backed by BIG OIL!!!  april   Nov-24-07 07:11 AM   #132 
  - Fraud seems to be the appropriate word for yet another "pie in the sky" bill.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-23-07 10:09 AM   #5 
  - "Non-binding" is synonymous with "posturing and hypocritical lip service."  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 08:02 PM   #76 
     - If they're still able  zidzi   Nov-23-07 08:11 PM   #79 
     - You are absolutely correct here.  emperor72   Nov-23-07 08:13 PM   #80 
     - I believe that future generateions will look upon us in the same way we look upon "Good Germans".  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-23-07 08:13 PM   #81 
        - Agreed. Absolutely.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 08:15 PM   #82 
        - im sorry  muryan   Nov-23-07 11:59 PM   #116 
           - how is that? it's exactly correct. atrocities are being committed hourly  ima_sinnic   Nov-24-07 04:55 AM   #127 
              - Replace "good Germans" with the "good Democrats" and we'll be right on time.  BeHereNow   Nov-24-07 05:43 PM   #164 
                 - F an A right!  gulfcoastliberal   Nov-25-07 08:12 PM   #177 
  - DK is right.  FtWayneBlue   Nov-23-07 10:11 AM   #6 
  - kick for Dennis  ixion   Nov-23-07 10:44 AM   #7 
  - Spot on  shadowknows69   Nov-23-07 10:52 AM   #9 
  - Pretty much.  mmonk   Nov-23-07 10:53 AM   #10 
  - He's a good man.  LeftyMom   Nov-23-07 10:59 AM   #11 
  - You're right. I'm glad he's out there speaking up. He'll not  Rydz777   Nov-23-07 12:28 PM   #21 
     - If you actually support Dennis,  rjones2818   Nov-23-07 02:55 PM   #36 
     - oh, you're a fortune teller? so who IS going to be president? how does  ima_sinnic   Nov-24-07 04:56 AM   #128 
  - K&R  notsodumbhillbilly   Nov-23-07 11:01 AM   #12 
  - Thanks Dennis!  stimbox   Nov-23-07 11:13 AM   #13 
  - Keep telling it like it is Dennis!  Dr.Phool   Nov-23-07 11:19 AM   #15 
  - Dems were voted in on this issue alone  windoe   Nov-23-07 11:24 AM   #16 
  - In Ohio, the issue was the Governor's corruption  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 12:20 PM   #19 
  - OK, fine...Congressional and Senatorial Democrats were voted in to stop the war.  Ken Burch   Nov-23-07 07:00 PM   #62 
  - We were voted in to "change direction" we didn't not promise to end the war.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 01:31 PM   #25 
     - How has the direction changed?  D23MIURG23   Nov-23-07 06:32 PM   #60 
     - We're not at war with Iran and we've put up a partial funding bill for starters.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 10:25 PM   #96 
     - You mean "politically correct," as opposed to honest.  puebloknot   Nov-23-07 07:35 PM   #72 
     - I don't think Dennis is incredibly smart "politically" - personally  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 10:27 PM   #97 
        - more REAL Democrats, not fake ones like Pelosi or wishy-washy  ima_sinnic   Nov-24-07 05:02 AM   #130 
        - People who vote for Pelosi and/or HRC consider them "real."  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:06 PM   #146 
        - I think he is using strong rhetoric to undermine a dangerous strategy  D23MIURG23   Nov-24-07 01:43 PM   #152 
           - I think there is more thoughtful/accurate "strong" rhetoric to use.  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 02:05 PM   #158 
     - Good grief!! Is that why Dems were in an orgasm to elect veterans like Webb?  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 08:08 PM   #77 
        - I'm not denying a thing. I realize we were elected to 'change course' in Iraq.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 10:45 PM   #100 
  - Help Dennis "Light Up Black Friday" ->  IndyOp   Nov-23-07 11:38 AM   #17 
  - Dennis had better watch out. He might get his ass  MindPilot   Nov-23-07 11:46 AM   #18 
  - There is nothing *wrong* with the US training Iraqi military and police  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 12:25 PM   #20 
  - Wrong  Doctor Panacea   Nov-23-07 02:10 PM   #26 
  - There's PLENTY wrong with it. K&R  dicksteele   Nov-23-07 02:19 PM   #27 
  - We're an occupying army  Hydra   Nov-23-07 02:30 PM   #29 
  - Bullshit! Dems are playing the beltway game of keeping our involvement in Iraq.  bjobotts   Nov-23-07 02:36 PM   #30 
  - The shittily-written Telegraph article does not say what Kucinich's plan for Iraq is  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:07 PM   #65 
  - Dennis is commmitting "fraud" when he claims the UN will go in. They have SAID they will not.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 10:49 PM   #103 
  - Yeah. Right. Welcome to Viet Nam.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 02:47 PM   #33 
  - Why don't we just stay there 'til everything's  rjones2818   Nov-23-07 02:57 PM   #37 
  - Bush and our leaders want us to stay til "everything's hunky dory"  Ken Burch   Nov-23-07 05:51 PM   #54 
  - When did I hear this too?  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-23-07 03:48 PM   #40 
  - Kipling was in Vietnam?  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:03 PM   #64 
  - By what right?  Gonnuts   Nov-23-07 04:54 PM   #47 
  - because they live where one of the first civilizations in the world were?  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:02 PM   #63 
  - We've done enough, the Iraqis can handle it from here (n/t)  harun   Nov-23-07 05:22 PM   #50 
  - the complexities to this situation are of our on manufacturing  ldf   Nov-24-07 01:59 PM   #156 
  - little lord pissypants would have been the shame of the republican party had he not invaded Iraq  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-25-07 07:33 AM   #171 
  - Yep.  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 02:06 PM   #159 
  - K&R  L0oniX   Nov-23-07 01:16 PM   #23 
  - Dennis, campaigning for Republicans once again!  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 01:29 PM   #24 
  - Nonsense...the republicans love what our centrist blue dog dems are doing  bjobotts   Nov-23-07 02:44 PM   #31 
  - The Republicans love what Dennis Kucinich is doing. Centrists like Jim Webb  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 03:54 PM   #41 
     - Riiight ...  Gonnuts   Nov-23-07 05:08 PM   #48 
     - Dennis is appealing to the base with rhetoric that he knows will do so.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 06:15 PM   #57 
     - Not likely  mrone2   Nov-23-07 05:40 PM   #52 
     - My rear.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 06:19 PM   #58 
        - Oh, So "Excluding" issues is how you want look at it?  mrone2   Nov-23-07 10:45 PM   #101 
           - I never said Foreign Policy is not imporant. What I said was that is the only issue  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:12 PM   #104 
              - I see you conveniently left out some NARAL scores on Kucinich...  BeHereNow   Nov-23-07 11:27 PM   #107 
              - No, I didn't conveniently leave them out. My point is that he gasp "changed"  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:28 PM   #108 
              - I Commend Dennis for His Struggle on Such a Personal and Emotional Issue  mrone2   Nov-24-07 09:18 AM   #139 
                 - I lean Edwards then Obama, not Hillary. However, calling her a Republican because she had  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:35 PM   #147 
     - (1) The objective is to preserve justice and democracy, NOT 'frighten' anyone, and (2) Nonsense  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 06:06 PM   #55 
        - Dennis Kucinich is giving excuses to those who wish to perpetuate another eight years of hell  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 06:11 PM   #56 
        - No, it's those who misguidedly join in the sneeringly condescending rejection of ...  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 06:31 PM   #59 
        - Really? Would women be better off if people followed Dennis's voting record six years ago?  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:20 PM   #105 
           - Here's one for starters  magellan   Nov-24-07 01:01 AM   #121 
              - That's not a promise to "get out of Iraq." That's a promise to make ending the war a priority.  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:47 PM   #148 
                 - You're parsing words  magellan   Nov-24-07 06:02 PM   #166 
                    - I'm not parsing words, I'm making an important distinction.  mzmolly   Nov-25-07 02:36 PM   #173 
                       - And I'm saying your important distinction isn't.  magellan   Nov-25-07 03:25 PM   #174 
                          - Exit polls do not support that conclusion.  mzmolly   Nov-25-07 04:30 PM   #175 
                             - You want to talk polls?  magellan   Nov-25-07 07:57 PM   #176 
                                - That poll has nothing to do with Dennis's claim.  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 11:37 AM   #180 
                                   - That poll speaks directly to what Americans expected from the Congress they elected  magellan   Nov-26-07 11:58 AM   #182 
                                      - As I said, I am among the disappointed. However, being disappointed is not license  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 01:43 PM   #184 
                                         - It's not BS  magellan   Nov-26-07 01:52 PM   #185 
                                            - I think we've both made our case?  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 04:10 PM   #186 
                                            - LOL, now I can't very well let you have the last word  magellan   Nov-26-07 05:52 PM   #187 
                                            - "I'm glad we could discuss this without getting ratty with each other."  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 06:06 PM   #188 
        - So, the ONLY viable option for getting sufficient exposure...  TheMadMonk   Nov-23-07 10:06 PM   #91 
           - "the only one who's not broken his oath of office..."  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 10:20 PM   #94 
              - Bull effing Shit. Defend and uphold the Constitution. FULL STOP.  TheMadMonk   Nov-23-07 11:58 PM   #115 
              - What do Dennis Kucinich's comments on the "promise to end the war" have to do with  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:03 AM   #117 
                 - You have, just now, revealed your complete ignorance in the arena of politics.  BeHereNow   Nov-24-07 12:13 AM   #118 
                    - You have revealed your ignorance on the topic of THIS discussion.  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:16 AM   #119 
                       - So we're going to play that game are we?  TheMadMonk   Nov-24-07 01:04 AM   #123 
                          - What oath of office requires office holders to 'end war?'  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:00 PM   #145 
                          - Not a one. It simply requires that they not commit or permit illegal...  TheMadMonk   Nov-24-07 02:25 PM   #160 
                             - Your game is to avoid the subject.  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 03:16 PM   #161 
                                - What subject? Kucinich called his fellows a bunch of fraudsters.  TheMadMonk   Nov-24-07 07:27 PM   #168 
                                   - I don't put expediency ahead of what's "right" I wish to win so we can do what is right.  mzmolly   Nov-25-07 02:32 PM   #172 
                                      - What is RIGHT is abandoning US foreign policy of the past sixty odd years.  TheMadMonk   Nov-25-07 11:22 PM   #178 
                                         - Precisely. Want more Empire?  BeHereNow   Nov-26-07 12:45 AM   #179 
                                         - Again, that is not the topic of this thread.  mzmolly   Nov-26-07 11:49 AM   #181 
                          - Thank you for that- personally I am tired of dealing with idiots. n/t  BeHereNow   Nov-24-07 05:45 PM   #165 
              - I am going to call you on your statements and explain why Kucinich plays an essential role..........  Morereason   Nov-24-07 01:01 AM   #122 
              - I like Kucinich, I don't like his sloppy, inaccurate comments above.  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:48 PM   #149 
              - But then again  mrone2   Nov-24-07 09:44 AM   #143 
                 - Has 70% of the American Public seen a UFO? Does 70% of the public believe in a  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:49 PM   #150 
        - Good to see you back in such fine fettle TH!  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-23-07 07:47 PM   #74 
           - Thanks, my friend! That's a perfect quote.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 08:10 PM   #78 
              - Yeah, except I'm not defending moderate principals.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:33 PM   #109 
  - We're putting party loyalty ahead of obvious truth now?  Marr   Nov-23-07 09:46 PM   #89 
  - No, I don't think what Dennis said was "truth."  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:34 PM   #111 
     - I do.  Marr   Nov-24-07 12:54 AM   #120 
        - I WISH he were questioning the "leadership" he's not. He's questioning "Democrats."  mzmolly   Nov-24-07 12:52 PM   #151 
  - And what is it you are doing?  BushDespiser12   Nov-23-07 10:28 PM   #98 
     - Oh please.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:39 PM   #112 
  - Dennis is just stating the obvious.  sellitman   Nov-23-07 02:29 PM   #28 
  - K&R. (nt)  Kurovski   Nov-23-07 02:46 PM   #32 
  - Kucinich is right  kurth   Nov-23-07 02:48 PM   #34 
  - As an independent, it puzzles me when "Democrats" attack Kooch for speaking the TRUTH.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 02:52 PM   #35 
  - I have been posting this for a while.  Disturbed   Nov-23-07 03:48 PM   #39 
  - When appetite for partisan power, no matter how rationalized, motivates complicity ....  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 04:31 PM   #45 
  - Is the Democratic Party an "authoritarian social organization"? ... eom  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:16 PM   #68 
     - Yup. It's hierarchical. It's got "top-down" ideologies. It's a corporation.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 07:22 PM   #69 
        - Thanks for writing  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:26 PM   #70 
           - Of course.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 07:29 PM   #71 
  - And it is still has not become any more true--"Dems want to keep the Fiasco going for their benefit"  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:14 PM   #67 
  - The delusional mentality is called "Politics: American Idol Style."  BeHereNow   Nov-23-07 05:10 PM   #49 
  - I'm not attacking Dennis for speaking the truth. I don't find his comments truthful.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 11:41 PM   #113 
  - very unsettling.  Whisp   Nov-24-07 06:33 PM   #167 
  - The only one with guts. A pity there isn't at least one more like him. n/t  deacon   Nov-23-07 03:45 PM   #38 
  - Gravel is like that but his manner seems to turn people off.  Disturbed   Nov-23-07 03:57 PM   #42 
  - Damn Straight! not with hillary or edwards or obama... will be there for years  Tom Joad   Nov-23-07 04:03 PM   #43 
  - Oh, I just remembered that Bill Richardson has called for  Disturbed   Nov-23-07 04:06 PM   #44 
  - yeah, maybe Bill too.  Tom Joad   Nov-23-07 04:32 PM   #46 
  - I thought Edwards  disndat   Nov-23-07 05:44 PM   #53 
  - what the heck does any of this all matter when two or three states back east  demigoddess   Nov-23-07 06:58 PM   #61 
  - Well, candidate Kucinich thinks that he is building a "movement"  TheBorealAvenger   Nov-23-07 07:09 PM   #66 
  - Really cynical, and not in keeping with Kucinich's modus operandi.  puebloknot   Nov-23-07 07:39 PM   #73 
  - why Kucinich plays an essential role....................  Morereason   Nov-24-07 01:11 AM   #126 
  - A "National Primary Day" would be closer to Runoff Voting than what we've got, for sure.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 10:21 PM   #95 
  - Kucinich is absolutely right...  AntiFascist   Nov-23-07 07:54 PM   #75 
  - Kucinich is absolutely correct, we are in Iraq because Big Oil and Big Money want us in Iraq  whistle   Nov-23-07 08:31 PM   #83 
  - Is this why the bushites  zidzi   Nov-23-07 08:49 PM   #84 
  - This is another Vietnam  lovuian   Nov-23-07 08:51 PM   #85 
  - I just want to remind folks of some history, in support of Kucinich's statement.  Peace Patriot   Nov-23-07 08:55 PM   #86 
  - So DK's running for the D nomination on a platform of attacking Ds?  struggle4progress   Nov-23-07 09:41 PM   #88 
  - Better than running for the D nomination with a platform of R-lite planks.  TahitiNut   Nov-23-07 10:13 PM   #92 
  - It's self-defeating: if one really wants to win the general, it's counterproductive ...  struggle4progress   Nov-23-07 11:33 PM   #110 
  - No, Dennis is running for the nomination by exposing the corporatists who have BETRAYED the party  BeHereNow   Nov-23-07 10:16 PM   #93 
  - Agreed.  mzmolly   Nov-23-07 10:46 PM   #102 
  - Pelosi et al rasied the expectation among voters  magellan   Nov-24-07 01:09 AM   #125 
  - House passes spending bill with Iraq deadline (Mar 2007)  struggle4progress   Nov-24-07 01:45 PM   #153 
  - House Passes $50B Iraq Withdrawal Bill (Nov 2007)  struggle4progress   Nov-24-07 01:47 PM   #154 
  - oh right, like campaigning doesn't include pointing out the others'  ima_sinnic   Nov-24-07 05:00 AM   #129 
     - Th'Dems aint the source of th'corruption an lies  struggle4progress   Nov-24-07 01:49 PM   #155 
        - the "source"? what does that mean? many are eager participants (nt)  ima_sinnic   Nov-24-07 02:03 PM   #157 
           - You completely failed to notice the wide-spread Republican culture of corruption?  struggle4progress   Nov-24-07 09:08 PM   #169 
  - Come on you guys. Donate!  Holland   Nov-23-07 10:35 PM   #99 
  - I've been making it happen. At $100/month. A million of us would make it  Seabiscuit   Nov-23-07 11:41 PM   #114 
  - It's a "Dime's Worth of Difference" statement.  tomreedtoon   Nov-23-07 11:21 PM   #106 
  - Kucinich is the ONLY one. He's the only one electable  upi402   Nov-24-07 05:05 AM   #131 
  - What are you smoking?  Mutineer   Nov-24-07 07:13 AM   #133 
  - "They want to be on all sides of the issue..." EXACTLY! and that's a dead give away!  Echo In Light   Nov-24-07 07:22 AM   #134 
  - F an A right! K&R!! nt  gulfcoastliberal   Nov-24-07 07:49 AM   #135 
  - i guess he knows what he's talking about  focusfan   Nov-24-07 08:33 AM   #136 
  - one politician saying all others are lying,  Froward69   Nov-24-07 08:51 AM   #138 
  - Good for him!!  proud2Blib   Nov-24-07 09:19 AM   #140 
  - THE WAR ON TERROR IS A TOTAL FRAUD  seemslikeadream   Nov-24-07 09:24 AM   #142 
  - This is why Dennis gets my vote and not Hillary.  sarcasmo   Nov-24-07 10:15 AM   #144 
  - Me too. I don't buy the "unelectable" hype anymore  upi402   Nov-24-07 03:19 PM   #162 
     - CORPORATE MEDIA PROPAGANDA! Exactly what the smear on DK is about...And look how many DUers BUY it!  BeHereNow   Nov-24-07 05:18 PM   #163 
        - Grist for the mill, be here now  upi402   Nov-25-07 01:32 AM   #170 
  - Yep, he's right. Remember Nixon's "secret plan" to end the Vietnam war? nt  raccoon   Nov-26-07 12:00 PM   #183 

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