Doctor Panacea
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Fri Nov-23-07 02:10 PM
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There is plenty wrong in staying in Iraq to "train Iraqi military and police."
It is not our country. We should not be there.
As long as we stay, we will just make the situation worse.
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| -Kucinich- Dems promise to end war "TOTAL FRAUD" |
lame54 |
Nov-23-07 09:52 AM |
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Rec #5. He's right. |
flvegan |
Nov-23-07 10:04 AM |
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One more reason not to trust Mrs. Clinton |
Reno.Muse |
Nov-23-07 10:04 AM |
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Or a reason not to trust Kucinich. |
aquart |
Nov-23-07 10:06 AM |
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? |
hootinholler |
Nov-23-07 11:17 AM |
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Yeah, one of the most assinine things I've ever read. He may not have a chance in Hell of being Prez |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-23-07 05:35 PM |
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assinine? ummmmm.... |
toadzilla |
Nov-23-07 08:57 PM |
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Whom are you chiding? Me or the one who posted "Or a reason not to trust Kucinich." ? nt |
DRoseDARs |
Nov-24-07 01:06 AM |
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why wouldn't you trust Kucinich |
focusfan |
Nov-24-07 08:34 AM |
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Trusting Clinton would be a hugh mistake for this country!!! |
BlueJac |
Nov-23-07 10:08 AM |
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Hillary is a de facto GWB when it comes to war and corporate strings |
Solar_Power |
Nov-23-07 10:49 AM |
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I am no fan of HRC, but that is as disingenuous as Nader calling Gore equivalent to Bush...eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 12:29 PM |
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Agreed |
So_Cal_Flehm |
Nov-23-07 09:54 PM |
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Im SERIES!!!1! |
lynnertic |
Nov-24-07 09:23 AM |
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also she is backed by BIG OIL!!! |
april |
Nov-24-07 07:11 AM |
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Fraud seems to be the appropriate word for yet another "pie in the sky" bill. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-23-07 10:09 AM |
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"Non-binding" is synonymous with "posturing and hypocritical lip service." |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:02 PM |
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If they're still able |
zidzi |
Nov-23-07 08:11 PM |
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You are absolutely correct here. |
emperor72 |
Nov-23-07 08:13 PM |
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I believe that future generateions will look upon us in the same way we look upon "Good Germans". |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-23-07 08:13 PM |
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Agreed. Absolutely. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:15 PM |
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im sorry |
muryan |
Nov-23-07 11:59 PM |
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how is that? it's exactly correct. atrocities are being committed hourly |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 04:55 AM |
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Replace "good Germans" with the "good Democrats" and we'll be right on time. |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 05:43 PM |
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F an A right! |
gulfcoastliberal |
Nov-25-07 08:12 PM |
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DK is right. |
FtWayneBlue |
Nov-23-07 10:11 AM |
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kick for Dennis |
ixion |
Nov-23-07 10:44 AM |
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Spot on |
shadowknows69 |
Nov-23-07 10:52 AM |
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Pretty much. |
mmonk |
Nov-23-07 10:53 AM |
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He's a good man. |
LeftyMom |
Nov-23-07 10:59 AM |
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You're right. I'm glad he's out there speaking up. He'll not |
Rydz777 |
Nov-23-07 12:28 PM |
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If you actually support Dennis, |
rjones2818 |
Nov-23-07 02:55 PM |
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oh, you're a fortune teller? so who IS going to be president? how does |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 04:56 AM |
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K&R |
notsodumbhillbilly |
Nov-23-07 11:01 AM |
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Thanks Dennis! |
stimbox |
Nov-23-07 11:13 AM |
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Keep telling it like it is Dennis! |
Dr.Phool |
Nov-23-07 11:19 AM |
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Dems were voted in on this issue alone |
windoe |
Nov-23-07 11:24 AM |
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In Ohio, the issue was the Governor's corruption |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 12:20 PM |
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OK, fine...Congressional and Senatorial Democrats were voted in to stop the war. |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 07:00 PM |
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We were voted in to "change direction" we didn't not promise to end the war. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 01:31 PM |
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How has the direction changed? |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-23-07 06:32 PM |
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We're not at war with Iran and we've put up a partial funding bill for starters. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:25 PM |
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You mean "politically correct," as opposed to honest. |
puebloknot |
Nov-23-07 07:35 PM |
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I don't think Dennis is incredibly smart "politically" - personally |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:27 PM |
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more REAL Democrats, not fake ones like Pelosi or wishy-washy |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 05:02 AM |
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People who vote for Pelosi and/or HRC consider them "real." |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:06 PM |
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I think he is using strong rhetoric to undermine a dangerous strategy |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-24-07 01:43 PM |
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I think there is more thoughtful/accurate "strong" rhetoric to use. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 02:05 PM |
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Good grief!! Is that why Dems were in an orgasm to elect veterans like Webb? |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:08 PM |
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I'm not denying a thing. I realize we were elected to 'change course' in Iraq. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:45 PM |
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Help Dennis "Light Up Black Friday" -> |
IndyOp |
Nov-23-07 11:38 AM |
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Dennis had better watch out. He might get his ass |
MindPilot |
Nov-23-07 11:46 AM |
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There is nothing *wrong* with the US training Iraqi military and police |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 12:25 PM |
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Wrong |
Doctor Panacea |
Nov-23-07 02:10 PM |
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There's PLENTY wrong with it. K&R |
dicksteele |
Nov-23-07 02:19 PM |
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We're an occupying army |
Hydra |
Nov-23-07 02:30 PM |
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Bullshit! Dems are playing the beltway game of keeping our involvement in Iraq. |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-07 02:36 PM |
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The shittily-written Telegraph article does not say what Kucinich's plan for Iraq is |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:07 PM |
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Dennis is commmitting "fraud" when he claims the UN will go in. They have SAID they will not. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:49 PM |
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Yeah. Right. Welcome to Viet Nam. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 02:47 PM |
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Why don't we just stay there 'til everything's |
rjones2818 |
Nov-23-07 02:57 PM |
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Bush and our leaders want us to stay til "everything's hunky dory" |
Ken Burch |
Nov-23-07 05:51 PM |
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When did I hear this too? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-07 03:48 PM |
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Kipling was in Vietnam? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:03 PM |
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By what right? |
Gonnuts |
Nov-23-07 04:54 PM |
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because they live where one of the first civilizations in the world were? |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:02 PM |
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We've done enough, the Iraqis can handle it from here (n/t) |
harun |
Nov-23-07 05:22 PM |
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the complexities to this situation are of our on manufacturing |
ldf |
Nov-24-07 01:59 PM |
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little lord pissypants would have been the shame of the republican party had he not invaded Iraq |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-25-07 07:33 AM |
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Yep. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 02:06 PM |
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K&R |
L0oniX |
Nov-23-07 01:16 PM |
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Dennis, campaigning for Republicans once again! |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 01:29 PM |
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Nonsense...the republicans love what our centrist blue dog dems are doing |
bjobotts |
Nov-23-07 02:44 PM |
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The Republicans love what Dennis Kucinich is doing. Centrists like Jim Webb |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 03:54 PM |
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Riiight ... |
Gonnuts |
Nov-23-07 05:08 PM |
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Dennis is appealing to the base with rhetoric that he knows will do so. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 06:15 PM |
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Not likely |
mrone2 |
Nov-23-07 05:40 PM |
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My rear. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 06:19 PM |
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Oh, So "Excluding" issues is how you want look at it? |
mrone2 |
Nov-23-07 10:45 PM |
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I never said Foreign Policy is not imporant. What I said was that is the only issue |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:12 PM |
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I see you conveniently left out some NARAL scores on Kucinich... |
BeHereNow |
Nov-23-07 11:27 PM |
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No, I didn't conveniently leave them out. My point is that he gasp "changed" |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:28 PM |
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I Commend Dennis for His Struggle on Such a Personal and Emotional Issue |
mrone2 |
Nov-24-07 09:18 AM |
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I lean Edwards then Obama, not Hillary. However, calling her a Republican because she had |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:35 PM |
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(1) The objective is to preserve justice and democracy, NOT 'frighten' anyone, and (2) Nonsense |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 06:06 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich is giving excuses to those who wish to perpetuate another eight years of hell |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 06:11 PM |
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No, it's those who misguidedly join in the sneeringly condescending rejection of ... |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 06:31 PM |
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Really? Would women be better off if people followed Dennis's voting record six years ago? |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:20 PM |
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Here's one for starters |
magellan |
Nov-24-07 01:01 AM |
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That's not a promise to "get out of Iraq." That's a promise to make ending the war a priority. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:47 PM |
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You're parsing words |
magellan |
Nov-24-07 06:02 PM |
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I'm not parsing words, I'm making an important distinction. |
mzmolly |
Nov-25-07 02:36 PM |
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And I'm saying your important distinction isn't. |
magellan |
Nov-25-07 03:25 PM |
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Exit polls do not support that conclusion. |
mzmolly |
Nov-25-07 04:30 PM |
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You want to talk polls? |
magellan |
Nov-25-07 07:57 PM |
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That poll has nothing to do with Dennis's claim. |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 11:37 AM |
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That poll speaks directly to what Americans expected from the Congress they elected |
magellan |
Nov-26-07 11:58 AM |
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As I said, I am among the disappointed. However, being disappointed is not license |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 01:43 PM |
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It's not BS |
magellan |
Nov-26-07 01:52 PM |
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I think we've both made our case? |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 04:10 PM |
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LOL, now I can't very well let you have the last word |
magellan |
Nov-26-07 05:52 PM |
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"I'm glad we could discuss this without getting ratty with each other." |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 06:06 PM |
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So, the ONLY viable option for getting sufficient exposure... |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-23-07 10:06 PM |
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"the only one who's not broken his oath of office..." |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:20 PM |
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Bull effing Shit. Defend and uphold the Constitution. FULL STOP. |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-23-07 11:58 PM |
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What do Dennis Kucinich's comments on the "promise to end the war" have to do with |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:03 AM |
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You have, just now, revealed your complete ignorance in the arena of politics. |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 12:13 AM |
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You have revealed your ignorance on the topic of THIS discussion. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:16 AM |
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So we're going to play that game are we? |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-24-07 01:04 AM |
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What oath of office requires office holders to 'end war?' |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:00 PM |
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Not a one. It simply requires that they not commit or permit illegal... |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-24-07 02:25 PM |
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Your game is to avoid the subject. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 03:16 PM |
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What subject? Kucinich called his fellows a bunch of fraudsters. |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-24-07 07:27 PM |
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I don't put expediency ahead of what's "right" I wish to win so we can do what is right. |
mzmolly |
Nov-25-07 02:32 PM |
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What is RIGHT is abandoning US foreign policy of the past sixty odd years. |
TheMadMonk |
Nov-25-07 11:22 PM |
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Precisely. Want more Empire? |
BeHereNow |
Nov-26-07 12:45 AM |
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Again, that is not the topic of this thread. |
mzmolly |
Nov-26-07 11:49 AM |
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Thank you for that- personally I am tired of dealing with idiots. n/t |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 05:45 PM |
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I am going to call you on your statements and explain why Kucinich plays an essential role.......... |
Morereason |
Nov-24-07 01:01 AM |
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I like Kucinich, I don't like his sloppy, inaccurate comments above. |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:48 PM |
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But then again |
mrone2 |
Nov-24-07 09:44 AM |
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Has 70% of the American Public seen a UFO? Does 70% of the public believe in a |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:49 PM |
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Good to see you back in such fine fettle TH! |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-23-07 07:47 PM |
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Thanks, my friend! That's a perfect quote. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 08:10 PM |
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Yeah, except I'm not defending moderate principals. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:33 PM |
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We're putting party loyalty ahead of obvious truth now? |
Marr |
Nov-23-07 09:46 PM |
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No, I don't think what Dennis said was "truth." |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:34 PM |
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I do. |
Marr |
Nov-24-07 12:54 AM |
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I WISH he were questioning the "leadership" he's not. He's questioning "Democrats." |
mzmolly |
Nov-24-07 12:52 PM |
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And what is it you are doing? |
BushDespiser12 |
Nov-23-07 10:28 PM |
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Oh please. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:39 PM |
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Dennis is just stating the obvious. |
sellitman |
Nov-23-07 02:29 PM |
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K&R. (nt) |
Kurovski |
Nov-23-07 02:46 PM |
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Kucinich is right |
kurth |
Nov-23-07 02:48 PM |
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As an independent, it puzzles me when "Democrats" attack Kooch for speaking the TRUTH. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 02:52 PM |
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I have been posting this for a while. |
Disturbed |
Nov-23-07 03:48 PM |
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When appetite for partisan power, no matter how rationalized, motivates complicity .... |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 04:31 PM |
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Is the Democratic Party an "authoritarian social organization"? ... eom |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:16 PM |
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Yup. It's hierarchical. It's got "top-down" ideologies. It's a corporation. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 07:22 PM |
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Thanks for writing |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:26 PM |
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Of course. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 07:29 PM |
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And it is still has not become any more true--"Dems want to keep the Fiasco going for their benefit" |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:14 PM |
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The delusional mentality is called "Politics: American Idol Style." |
BeHereNow |
Nov-23-07 05:10 PM |
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I'm not attacking Dennis for speaking the truth. I don't find his comments truthful. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 11:41 PM |
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very unsettling. |
Whisp |
Nov-24-07 06:33 PM |
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The only one with guts. A pity there isn't at least one more like him. n/t |
deacon |
Nov-23-07 03:45 PM |
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Gravel is like that but his manner seems to turn people off. |
Disturbed |
Nov-23-07 03:57 PM |
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Damn Straight! not with hillary or edwards or obama... will be there for years |
Tom Joad |
Nov-23-07 04:03 PM |
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Oh, I just remembered that Bill Richardson has called for |
Disturbed |
Nov-23-07 04:06 PM |
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yeah, maybe Bill too. |
Tom Joad |
Nov-23-07 04:32 PM |
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I thought Edwards |
disndat |
Nov-23-07 05:44 PM |
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what the heck does any of this all matter when two or three states back east |
demigoddess |
Nov-23-07 06:58 PM |
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Well, candidate Kucinich thinks that he is building a "movement" |
TheBorealAvenger |
Nov-23-07 07:09 PM |
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Really cynical, and not in keeping with Kucinich's modus operandi. |
puebloknot |
Nov-23-07 07:39 PM |
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why Kucinich plays an essential role.................... |
Morereason |
Nov-24-07 01:11 AM |
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A "National Primary Day" would be closer to Runoff Voting than what we've got, for sure. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 10:21 PM |
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Kucinich is absolutely right... |
AntiFascist |
Nov-23-07 07:54 PM |
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Kucinich is absolutely correct, we are in Iraq because Big Oil and Big Money want us in Iraq |
whistle |
Nov-23-07 08:31 PM |
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Is this why the bushites |
zidzi |
Nov-23-07 08:49 PM |
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This is another Vietnam |
lovuian |
Nov-23-07 08:51 PM |
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I just want to remind folks of some history, in support of Kucinich's statement. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-23-07 08:55 PM |
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So DK's running for the D nomination on a platform of attacking Ds? |
struggle4progress |
Nov-23-07 09:41 PM |
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Better than running for the D nomination with a platform of R-lite planks. |
TahitiNut |
Nov-23-07 10:13 PM |
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It's self-defeating: if one really wants to win the general, it's counterproductive ... |
struggle4progress |
Nov-23-07 11:33 PM |
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No, Dennis is running for the nomination by exposing the corporatists who have BETRAYED the party |
BeHereNow |
Nov-23-07 10:16 PM |
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Agreed. |
mzmolly |
Nov-23-07 10:46 PM |
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Pelosi et al rasied the expectation among voters |
magellan |
Nov-24-07 01:09 AM |
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House passes spending bill with Iraq deadline (Mar 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 01:45 PM |
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House Passes $50B Iraq Withdrawal Bill (Nov 2007) |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 01:47 PM |
#154 |
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oh right, like campaigning doesn't include pointing out the others' |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 05:00 AM |
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Th'Dems aint the source of th'corruption an lies |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 01:49 PM |
#155 |
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the "source"? what does that mean? many are eager participants (nt) |
ima_sinnic |
Nov-24-07 02:03 PM |
#157 |
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You completely failed to notice the wide-spread Republican culture of corruption? |
struggle4progress |
Nov-24-07 09:08 PM |
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Come on you guys. Donate! |
Holland |
Nov-23-07 10:35 PM |
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I've been making it happen. At $100/month. A million of us would make it |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-23-07 11:41 PM |
#114 |
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It's a "Dime's Worth of Difference" statement. |
tomreedtoon |
Nov-23-07 11:21 PM |
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Kucinich is the ONLY one. He's the only one electable |
upi402 |
Nov-24-07 05:05 AM |
#131 |
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What are you smoking? |
Mutineer |
Nov-24-07 07:13 AM |
#133 |
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"They want to be on all sides of the issue..." EXACTLY! and that's a dead give away! |
Echo In Light |
Nov-24-07 07:22 AM |
#134 |
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F an A right! K&R!! nt |
gulfcoastliberal |
Nov-24-07 07:49 AM |
#135 |
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i guess he knows what he's talking about |
focusfan |
Nov-24-07 08:33 AM |
#136 |
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one politician saying all others are lying, |
Froward69 |
Nov-24-07 08:51 AM |
#138 |
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Good for him!! |
proud2Blib |
Nov-24-07 09:19 AM |
#140 |
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THE WAR ON TERROR IS A TOTAL FRAUD |
seemslikeadream |
Nov-24-07 09:24 AM |
#142 |
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This is why Dennis gets my vote and not Hillary. |
sarcasmo |
Nov-24-07 10:15 AM |
#144 |
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Me too. I don't buy the "unelectable" hype anymore |
upi402 |
Nov-24-07 03:19 PM |
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CORPORATE MEDIA PROPAGANDA! Exactly what the smear on DK is about...And look how many DUers BUY it! |
BeHereNow |
Nov-24-07 05:18 PM |
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Grist for the mill, be here now |
upi402 |
Nov-25-07 01:32 AM |
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Yep, he's right. Remember Nixon's "secret plan" to end the Vietnam war? nt |
raccoon |
Nov-26-07 12:00 PM |
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