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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 07:15 PM
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49. NY Senate dont think it is
Date: 10/22/2007
Office: Bruno

FOR RELEASE: Immediate, Monday, October 22, 2007


Measure protects residents from symbol of racism in wake of incidents in New York State

The New York State Senate Majority today passed legislation, sponsored by Senator Dean Skelos (R-Rockville Centre) to make it a felony to etch, paint, draw or otherwise place or display a noose on public or private property.

"This is a vile act that must be dealt with harshly," said New York State Senate Deputy Majority Leader Dean G. Skelos. "There is no place for racism and intimidation in America and this rash of incidents clearly demonstrates the need for tough new penalties. The Senate passed a bill today to make displaying a noose a felony and I encourage the Assembly to reconvene and pass this legislation as soon as possible."

This legislation recognizes that a noose continues to be a powerful symbol of racism and intimidation towards African Americans, and that it is solely meant to harass and threaten another person or a group of people. Today the Senate Majority took decisive action to protect all New Yorkers from the menacing and disturbing actions of a few, Senate Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno said.


The issue has also received national attention in the wake of the "Jena 6" case in Louisiana, in which a group of six black teenagers were charged with beating a white teenager at Jena High School in Jena, Louisiana. The beating followed a number of racially-charged incidents in the town, including an incident in which three white students hung nooses from a tree at Jena High school.

In 2006, in response to similar past incidents involving swastikas and burning crosses, the State Legislature supported and former Governor Pataki approved amending the States penal law to make the use of those symbols a crime.

The anti-noose legislation (S6499) amends New Yorks aggravated harassment statute to make it a class E felony to etch, paint, draw, place or display a noose with intent to threaten, intimidate or harass.

The bill was sent to the Assembly, where it is sponsored by Assemblyman Joe Lentol.
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  -Richardson and Green Introduce Resolution on Nooses flashl  Nov-18-07 04:38 PM   #0 
  - I'm never sure what to think about laws like this  jgraz   Nov-18-07 04:43 PM   #1 
  - ...  flashl   Nov-18-07 04:57 PM   #3 
     - So your point is that we should ban it because it's really, really offensive?  jgraz   Nov-18-07 05:03 PM   #5 
        - Who's or what FREEDOMS are lost passing this resolutions? n/t  flashl   Nov-18-07 05:21 PM   #7 
        - Yours and mine and everyone else's  jgraz   Nov-18-07 05:29 PM   #8 
           - Noose hanging is a MIRROR of America's ugliness. n/t  flashl   Nov-18-07 05:37 PM   #10 
              - How does that exempt it from the First Amendment?  jgraz   Nov-18-07 05:39 PM   #11 
                 - Which first amendment right is that? n/t  flashl   Nov-18-07 05:53 PM   #16 
                    - Hmmm...I seem to remember something about freedom of speech  jgraz   Nov-18-07 05:56 PM   #17 
                       - You are trying to make the connection to first amendment. You tell me. n/t  flashl   Nov-18-07 06:24 PM   #20 
        - If it is used to intimidate or incite violence  Bright Eyes   Nov-18-07 07:43 PM   #24 
           - When/why else would someone WANT to hang a noose?  DesertedRose   Nov-18-07 09:07 PM   #26 
           - Just to play devil's advocate for a second  shadowknows69   Nov-19-07 05:14 AM   #32 
  - This a resolution that should not have to be done  Bitwit1234   Nov-18-07 04:52 PM   #2 
  - STOP increased INTOLERANCE. n/t  flashl   Nov-18-07 04:59 PM   #4 
  - Why do you want to blame it all on racism?  hfojvt   Nov-18-07 06:30 PM   #22 
  - Depends if it's targetted, I think.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-18-07 05:06 PM   #6 
  - What other group do you know that the noose have targeted? n/t  flashl   Nov-18-07 05:49 PM   #14 
     - Not quite what I mean.  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-18-07 07:29 PM   #23 
  - What's with the nooses , it's 2007 for crips sake  blues90   Nov-18-07 05:31 PM   #9 
  - There are 55 reported noose hanging incidents this year  flashl   Nov-18-07 05:48 PM   #13 
  - Do these legislators not have anything better to do?  derby378   Nov-18-07 05:40 PM   #12 
  - What purpose do YOU propose was the cause for these noose incidents?  flashl   Nov-18-07 05:53 PM   #15 
     - I don't frame the debate the same way you do...  derby378   Nov-18-07 06:04 PM   #18 
        - Which part of this gives you grief?  flashl   Nov-18-07 06:23 PM   #19 
           - As long as they keep a tight rein on the wording, I'm cool with it...  derby378   Nov-18-07 06:29 PM   #21 
  - Okay  JustAnotherGen   Nov-18-07 07:57 PM   #25 
  - I'm with you. Banning nooses wil not solve any problems.  IMModerate   Nov-18-07 09:30 PM   #28 
  - It may appear to be symbolic but it will at least start a dialog  flashl   Nov-18-07 10:38 PM   #29 
     - Some of those people were hanged with a slip knot.  IMModerate   Nov-19-07 04:11 AM   #30 
     - Did the slip knot make it a lesser murder? n/t  flashl   Nov-19-07 07:37 AM   #36 
        - No, but should we make slip knots illegal?  IMModerate   Nov-19-07 05:22 PM   #44 
           - The question is about nooses and the majority American's tolerance for a symbol that represents  flashl   Nov-19-07 05:35 PM   #45 
              - Full circle then. Outlawing symbols is against freedom of speech.  IMModerate   Nov-19-07 07:01 PM   #48 
                 - NY Senate dont think it is  flashl   Nov-19-07 07:15 PM   #49 
                    - IMHO, that's unconstitutional.  IMModerate   Nov-19-07 08:05 PM   #50 
     - That was a bullshit resolution IMO  shadowknows69   Nov-19-07 05:40 AM   #34 
        - No one was made whole by the resolution  flashl   Nov-19-07 07:36 AM   #35 
  - The are OTHER issues that gravely impact the Black community  flashl   Nov-19-07 08:09 AM   #43 
  - I would prefer to see federal legislation  piesRsquare   Nov-18-07 09:19 PM   #27 
  - Haven't noose sightings increased following the  malaise   Nov-19-07 04:57 AM   #31 
  - Can we ban cartoonish witches at halloween too?  shadowknows69   Nov-19-07 05:33 AM   #33 
  - If you dont understand it, then you dont understand racisim in America. n /t  flashl   Nov-19-07 07:40 AM   #37 
     - I wasn't saying I don't understand it  shadowknows69   Nov-19-07 07:47 AM   #38 
        - Then you may know that  flashl   Nov-19-07 07:54 AM   #39 
        - Of course I know that  shadowknows69   Nov-19-07 08:00 AM   #41 
        - I respectfully question how deep  Karenina   Nov-19-07 07:57 AM   #40 
           - As I said my understanding is more based on classism than racism  shadowknows69   Nov-19-07 08:06 AM   #42 
  - It's a damn good thing there's no important business that needs attention.  karlrschneider   Nov-19-07 05:38 PM   #46 
     - Maybe you missed this ..  flashl   Nov-19-07 05:41 PM   #47 

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