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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 11:08 AM
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66. Sounds to me like you are setting up a situation...
where a non-violent offender could get charged with murder.
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  -Rare Robbery Case Brings Cries of Racism. Wcross  Nov-18-07 08:01 AM   #0 
  - This is the felony murder rule  treestar   Nov-18-07 08:07 AM   #1 
  - "in this overwhelmingly white county under a ***rarely invoked*** legal doctrine"  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 08:14 AM   #2 
  - Define "rarely invoked." If they only have one or two felony murders a year...  mvccd1000   Nov-18-07 08:30 AM   #8 
     - Not my job to define anything, here.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 08:51 AM   #10 
     - True - that wasn't directed at you specifically. The article...  mvccd1000   Nov-18-07 09:53 AM   #32 
     - Sounds to me like you are setting up a situation...  ret5hd   Nov-18-07 11:08 AM   #66 
        - True, it could do (and probably has done) that.  mvccd1000   Nov-19-07 03:43 AM   #98 
  - But according to the story it is rarely used in California.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 08:16 AM   #4 
     - I would like to see just how "rare" that law's application is.  Kingshakabobo   Nov-18-07 08:55 AM   #12 
     - I too question the use of a vague term like "rarely"  slackmaster   Nov-18-07 09:51 AM   #31 
  - The three did brutally beat his stepson with a bat.  cigsandcoffee   Nov-18-07 08:15 AM   #3 
  - Mr. Hughes will face charges for that to be sure.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 08:18 AM   #5 
  - I'd say that's more a question for the appeals courts than me.  cigsandcoffee   Nov-18-07 08:24 AM   #7 
  - Yes, he should be charged with murder. They conspired to commit a violent felony.  Alexander   Nov-18-07 04:22 PM   #86 
  - And he should be charged with that.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 08:22 AM   #6 
  - Odd that the OP chose to leave that tidbit of info out, as well as the shattered window for entry.  alphafemale   Nov-18-07 09:47 AM   #28 
     - That and the allegation the robbers were armed with a shotgun and wearing bandannas.  Kingshakabobo   Nov-18-07 10:02 AM   #39 
     - Yeah. The original post almost sounds as if they dropped by to chat.  alphafemale   Nov-18-07 10:11 AM   #46 
     - I guess I should have pasted the entire article? (and run afoul of D.U. posting rules)  Wcross   Nov-18-07 10:14 AM   #50 
        - The fact that they broke in through a window and beat someone to brain damage with a metal bat  alphafemale   Nov-18-07 10:35 AM   #53 
  - Lesson learned..If you steal bring guns and shoot first  Toots   Nov-18-07 08:44 AM   #9 
  - It would be even nicer if people weren't breaking up into other  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:16 AM   # 
  - Or don't break into peoples homes..Jesus  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 10:42 AM   #56 
  - I don't understand it either. n/t  Poll_Blind   Nov-18-07 03:05 PM   #77 
  - the thought processes on DU are frequently pathetic  BoneDaddy   Nov-19-07 08:36 AM   #100 
  - Lesson learned...don't burglarize other people's homes.  Alexander   Nov-18-07 04:25 PM   #87 
  - so let me get this straight  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-18-07 08:55 AM   #11 
  - While the beating was vile, how is shooting people in the back as they flee self defense?  jpgray   Nov-18-07 09:04 AM   #14 
  - HTF do you know he shot them when they were fleeing?  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:07 AM   #16 
  - If they were shot in the back, then by legal definition, it's not self-defense. nt  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 02:27 PM   #69 
     - That is incorrect..  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 02:40 PM   #70 
     - Actually, you're partly right. That all varies from state to state. I posted too hastily.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 02:48 PM   #73 
        - Sorry, No intent to be rude  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 03:00 PM   #76 
           - Basically I agree, until the last line.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 03:06 PM   #79 
              - Mitigate is used to reduce  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 08:36 PM   #95 
                 - Are you in law?  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 09:01 PM   #97 
     - Wrong.  NutmegYankee   Nov-18-07 02:53 PM   #74 
        - I'd already acknowledged someone who corrected me, so why'd you need to post that?  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 02:57 PM   #75 
           - I had clicked reply before your post.  NutmegYankee   Nov-18-07 03:25 PM   #80 
              - Mmmmmm, no.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 03:40 PM   #81 
                 - Can't take the truth huh.  NutmegYankee   Nov-18-07 03:54 PM   #82 
                    - I took a correction and owned up to my error. Your correction was redundant, unnecesssary and late.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 04:13 PM   #83 
                       - Too late to change the story bud.  NutmegYankee   Nov-18-07 04:26 PM   #88 
                          - Not trying to change a thing.  asthmaticeog   Nov-18-07 05:01 PM   #89 
  - They were still in is house.  cigsandcoffee   Nov-18-07 09:10 AM   #17 
  - We don't even know if they actually flee.  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:12 AM   #18 
     - Fair enough. I hadn't thought of that.  cigsandcoffee   Nov-18-07 09:16 AM   #20 
     - Does not matter..  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 10:49 AM   #58 
  - "flee in self defense?"  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-18-07 09:15 AM   #19 
  - Fear that the perpetrators might return to kill you is a valid reason to use deadly force  slackmaster   Nov-18-07 09:57 AM   #34 
  - The shooter isn't being charged with anything in this case.  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:00 AM   #36 
     - Yes, I was responding to a query as to how the shooting could be justified  slackmaster   Nov-18-07 10:10 AM   #44 
  - Felony murder just requires death. Overkill doesn't enter into consideration.  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 10:03 AM   #40 
  - You forgot this part  michreject   Nov-18-07 10:12 AM   #47 
  - Isn't this the same type of law that almost  ikojo   Nov-18-07 09:02 AM   #13 
  - NO. This case  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 10:59 AM   #62 
  - NAACP is asking why homeowner is walking free?  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:05 AM   #15 
  - He should have waited till they killed his son.....  Kingshakabobo   Nov-18-07 09:16 AM   #21 
  - Agreed. NAACP is smoking dope on that part. This is justified anywhere.  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 10:04 AM   #41 
  - The plot thickens...Maybe the NAACP has a point?  Wcross   Nov-18-07 09:21 AM   #22 
  - Well, from this, it sounds as if the suspects knew the pot was in  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:28 AM   #23 
  - The shooter was dealing, he used a gun in the commission of a crime (dealing).  Wcross   Nov-18-07 09:41 AM   #26 
  - What would be the "dealing" part?  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:45 AM   #27 
  - How was he "dealing" while sleeping in his bed?  Kingshakabobo   Nov-18-07 09:47 AM   #29 
     - Yea, I know.  lizzy   Nov-18-07 09:49 AM   #30 
        - Three pounds of pot? He had a prescription for personal use.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 09:58 AM   #35 
           - He shouldn't have owned a gun, and it's a fact?  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:02 AM   #37 
              - He was in violation of federal law.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 10:10 AM   #45 
                 - Has he actually been convicted of any of the above, or did you  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:12 AM   #48 
                    - 4. Possession of a firearm by a drug user or addict;  Wcross   Nov-18-07 10:19 AM   #52 
                       - I've tried to explain it to you but I guess to no avail.  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:36 AM   #54 
                       - He did NOT have a license, he had a medical marijuana prescription.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 10:50 AM   #59 
                          - I meant license as a permission to use pot.  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:53 AM   #60 
                             - Here's the rub with that theory- The gun law is federal.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 10:59 AM   #63 
                                - And the burglars committed assault and attempted murder.  Alexander   Nov-18-07 04:15 PM   #84 
                                   - I am not defending the thugs.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 05:44 PM   #90 
                                      - I don't think there is a requirement that the victim has to be the  lizzy   Nov-18-07 05:56 PM   #91 
                                         - You are correct.  Wcross   Nov-18-07 06:12 PM   #92 
                       - We'd probably have to see some working definition for drug with regard to statutes  aikoaiko   Nov-18-07 10:41 AM   #55 
                       - He's a legal user. His prescription no more forbids him from having a gun than an Rx for vicodin  LeftyMom   Nov-18-07 03:05 PM   #78 
  - Sounds like conspiracy to committ theft, armed burglary, armed robbery, and attempted murder  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 10:06 AM   #42 
     - I don't know how much time actual burglary gets someone.  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:08 AM   #43 
        - This many seperate crimes? Easily life if maxed and run consecutively.  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 10:13 AM   #49 
           - Well, 10 years, but as far as I understand it, the criminals do not  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:15 AM   #51 
              - Hence the 1st degree murder charge.  Alexander   Nov-18-07 04:17 PM   #85 
  - OK. So they hadn't fled? If he's chasing them from the house, that's different.  jpgray   Nov-18-07 09:28 AM   #24 
     - As long as a threat is present  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 10:55 AM   #61 
  - He IS responsible. Charges should be pursued.  MNDemNY   Nov-18-07 09:30 AM   #25 
  - It sounds like Mr. Hughes is getting a vigorous criminal defense  slackmaster   Nov-18-07 09:53 AM   #33 
  - This is normal felony murder. You initiate a specified felony and someone dies, you get charged.  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 10:02 AM   #38 
  - Considering a young kid was apparently beaten to a point he can't any  lizzy   Nov-18-07 10:49 AM   #57 
  - In this case, probably nothing short of execution. There are some weird felony murder cases, though.  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 11:07 AM   #65 
  - The attackers had already escalated to lethal force.  benEzra   Nov-18-07 11:54 AM   #68 
  - Views of the evidence of perfect and imperfect self-defense almost always come together.  BadgerLaw2010   Nov-18-07 07:21 PM   #94 
  - Survivor indicates relevant level of force  Pavulon   Nov-18-07 02:45 PM   #71 
  - I can't believe the NAACP is attacking the homeowner.  aikoaiko   Nov-18-07 11:05 AM   #64 
  - So armed criminals break into your house, beat your son practically to brain death,  benEzra   Nov-18-07 11:51 AM   #67 
  - They beat his stepson with baseball bats. Hughes can go cry me a river.  Alexander   Nov-18-07 02:48 PM   #72 
  - The felony murder rule is not some archaic, draconian principle. (nt)  MJDuncan1982   Nov-18-07 06:56 PM   #93 
  - It seems like an appropriate charge in this case  tammywammy   Nov-18-07 08:46 PM   #96 
  - Was the survivor the one who pursuaded the others to take part in the theft?  Donald Ian Rankin   Nov-19-07 08:01 AM   #99 
     - What do you mean by "persuade"?  Kingshakabobo   Nov-19-07 12:12 PM   #101 

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