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116. Open a damn history book! It was Gen. Winfield Scott, not Sherman!
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  -Can someone explain the sick relationship that Southern confederate types have The Backlash Cometh  Nov-17-07 09:17 AM   #0 
  - The confederates had quite a good relationship with  SharkSquid   Nov-17-07 09:22 AM   #1 
  - I never knew this. How interesting.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:23 AM   #2 
     - Many members of the "five civilized tribes" were slave owners  Wiregrass Willie   Nov-17-07 03:15 PM   #115 
  - Cherokee Sided With The Confederates, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:28 AM   #3 
  - Where were the black hawks in all this?  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:34 AM   #5 
  - No Idea, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:37 AM   #6 
  - Thank you so much!  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:46 AM   #12 
  - Black Hawk = Iowa  SharonAnn   Nov-17-07 04:05 PM   #128 
  - Black Hawk  H2O Man   Nov-17-07 05:04 PM   #139 
     - Wow. Thanks.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 05:09 PM   #142 
     - Thank You, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:46 PM   #169 
  - Small wonder  pscot   Nov-17-07 10:01 AM   #19 
  - Yes, Sherman was a mean s.o.b. The war was nearly over  DemBones DemBones   Nov-17-07 10:12 AM   #29 
  - Yes.. note this quote from Sherman on the Indian..  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 12:00 PM   #71 
  - "a species of pauper."  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 12:07 PM   #77 
  - Just change "Indians" with "Iraqis" and he could be GWB!  WakeMeUp   Nov-17-07 02:26 PM   #110 
  - that particular grammatical error comes from a Confederate nostalgia site...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 04:35 PM   #130 
     - It refers to Native Americans... Where, did I state otherwise?..  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 07:04 PM   #157 
        - you were unaware that the poster you were replying to had gotten his facts wrong...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 11:23 PM   #192 
           - not at all  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 11:38 PM   #194 
              - that link just says "Congratulations to the 2006-2007 EILR candidates"...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 11:49 PM   #195 
                 - Archived articles,  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 11:55 PM   #196 
  - Open a damn history book! It was Gen. Winfield Scott, not Sherman!  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:16 PM   #116 
  - Cherokee removal happened during the 1830s. Sherman was a teenager then  NoPasaran   Nov-17-07 06:20 PM   #154 
  - didn't they also own black slaves?  alfredo   Nov-17-07 10:10 AM   #26 
     - yes.  ulysses   Nov-17-07 10:32 AM   #45 
        - Have you ever heard Sarah Vowell's essay on the trail of tears?  alfredo   Nov-17-07 11:12 AM   #56 
  - Only if you'll explain the sick relationship people on this  Clark2008   Nov-17-07 09:32 AM   #4 
  - Foolish me, I judge people by the way they crap on their neighbors.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:39 AM   #9 
  - Amen. I saw the header and thought, "Here we go again,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-17-07 09:54 AM   #15 
  - The South gets off easy compared to Texas, too. nt  ThruTheLookingGlass   Nov-17-07 02:31 PM   #112 
  - Total misconception  DangerDave921   Nov-17-07 10:11 AM   #28 
  - Not sure what you're expecting.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:15 AM   #32 
  - What?  DangerDave921   Nov-17-07 10:24 AM   #42 
     - And I am saying that just because someone labels themselves as  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:33 AM   #47 
        - What about extreme Boston lifestyles?  hack89   Nov-17-07 12:01 PM   #72 
           - Oh, I believe you.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 12:08 PM   #80 
  - Try being from Texas  tammywammy   Nov-17-07 10:26 AM   #43 
  - West Virginia is decidedly not "Southern" for goodness' sake. The  coalition_unwilling   Nov-17-07 02:02 PM   #101 
  - Thought it was Scotch-Irish  Taverner   Nov-17-07 11:52 AM   #66 
     - Hmmm..  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 11:59 AM   #69 
  - Confederates and Native Americans know how it feels...  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 09:37 AM   #7 
  - In The Case Of The Confederacy, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:38 AM   #8 
  - You think the U. S. was too soft on the Confederacy?...  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 09:47 AM   #13 
  - I'll settle for putting down their good ole boy networks.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:51 AM   #14 
  - Do you mean you would outlaw freedom of association? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 09:54 AM   #16 
     - I mean I would expose their conspiracies which have harmed members of  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:00 AM   #18 
        - I think that's what the courts are for. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:04 AM   #21 
           - Unless they own the courts too. Good ole boy networks are extensive.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:06 AM   #23 
              - You're talking about cronyism, which isn't just a Southern or Republican phenomenon. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:14 AM   #31 
                 - I'm talking about good ole boy networks, which have their roots  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:16 AM   #35 
                    - Like I said, it's called "cronyism", and it's widespread. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:19 AM   #37 
                       - We will agree, to disagree.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:20 AM   #39 
                          - If you have enough first-hand experience to write a book , then write it!  Nuntius_Barbari   Nov-17-07 05:08 PM   #141 
  - Well...  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 10:24 AM   #41 
  - Definitely out of step with the Republicans of this era.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:36 AM   #49 
  - Also odd that conservative GOP southerners hate Lincoln  OzarkDem   Nov-17-07 04:03 PM   #127 
  - Who would you hang in your "High Treason" mass hangings?...  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:37 AM   #50 
     - Response:  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 11:02 AM   #54 
     - I wonder how many thousands of DU posters would hang if the U. S. wanted to press it? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 11:53 AM   #67 
     - Don't be stupid.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 12:04 PM   #73 
     - But who defines what "aid and comfort to the enemy" is? Somebody like Dick Cheney? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 03:07 PM   #113 
        - It requires adherence first! None of us would pass that. n/t  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 05:02 PM   #138 
     - You mean if present day Republicans succeeded with their coup?  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 12:04 PM   #75 
        - I also was pointing out the legal definition of Treason.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 12:07 PM   #78 
        - Cheney/Bush don't care about having the "authority" to do something...  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 03:14 PM   #114 
     - President Davis and General Lee were both indicted for treason  Yupster   Nov-17-07 09:53 PM   #171 
        - Kind of makes you wonder if this whole State's Rights bullshit the  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:23 PM   #183 
     - All of the above!  JVS   Nov-17-07 12:00 PM   #70 
     - Army Officers Above Captain's Rank, And Government Officials About County Commisioner Level, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 01:53 PM   #98 
        - What a sad statement. So bloodthirsty and vengeful. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 03:19 PM   #117 
           - You Say That Like These Were Bad Things, Sir....  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:29 PM   #164 
  - To Answer Your Question, Mr. Federfer  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 01:50 PM   #96 
  - So there should have been a thorough "cleansing" of the South? Chilling. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 03:21 PM   #118 
  - The Normal Processes Of Suppressing Rebellion, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:33 PM   #166 
  - What group survived the civil war that might be a feeder group  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 04:40 PM   #132 
  - The Confederacy was the beneficiary of the most generous surrender terms in history.  Aristus   Nov-17-07 01:52 PM   #97 
  - So the U. S. should have executed more White people? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 03:22 PM   #119 
     - just the traitorous ones...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:46 PM   #124 
        - What "groups" survived the confederate defeat that might be a  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 04:40 PM   #131 
        - It's okay for the goverment to kill people, as long as you don't like them?  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 05:10 PM   #143 
           - There must be a few screws loose in your head.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 05:16 PM   #147 
              - The Founding Fathers were also "traitors", weren't they? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 05:26 PM   #149 
                 - Yes, if you're a Tory lover. But most of them left the States and moved to the Abacos  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 05:46 PM   #151 
                 - lame argument. n/t  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 07:04 PM   #158 
                 - And Would Have Been Hanged Had They Lost, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:30 PM   #165 
                 - You see, sometimes a little treason is what we need...  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:17 PM   #180 
                    - Are you suggesting that the confederacy should rise again?  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:29 PM   #184 
                    - Do you have a government job? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-18-07 12:28 AM   #199 
                    - My Murderous Masters, Mr. Federfer?  The Magistrate   Nov-18-07 12:45 AM   #200 
                 - and, had they lost, would have received exponentially harsher treatment than did the confederacy  fishwax   Nov-18-07 01:27 AM   #201 
  - "Ethnic cleansing"? How are Confederates different than any other American  Lorien   Nov-17-07 02:18 PM   #107 
     - they're not -- he's just trying to wallow in victimhood...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:47 PM   #125 
  - HELL YEAH! SHERMAN WAS TOO KIND!  JVS   Nov-17-07 11:52 AM   #65 
  - Extreme circumstances call for extreme measures  Taverner   Nov-17-07 12:04 PM   #76 
  - Yup!  JVS   Nov-17-07 12:07 PM   #79 
  - Do you say this re: our current troops in Iraq, Blackwater,  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 12:47 PM   #84 
     - Nope - those are not extreme circumstances  Taverner   Nov-17-07 06:09 PM   #153 
  - Would you say this of the current day attrocities against civilians?  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 12:43 PM   #83 
  - Sherman did the right thing in the South, end of story.  JVS   Nov-17-07 12:49 PM   #85 
     - You share his disregard for innocent civilians then.. your own people  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 12:55 PM   #87 
        - What do you mean my own people? People who waged war against my country, they sucked!  JVS   Nov-17-07 01:10 PM   #88 
           - and raped?  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 01:40 PM   #91 
              - What does his stance on Native Americans have to do with being right about burning the South?  JVS   Nov-17-07 01:43 PM   #92 
                 - he's your "hero..."  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 01:46 PM   #93 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-17-07 01:48 PM   #95 
                       - There is always a constant whine about the final act to end a war.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 02:16 PM   #106 
                       - because I am not a moral relativist  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 05:00 PM   #137 
                          - Gee. Missed the whole history of WWII there.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 05:06 PM   #140 
                             - on balance... we were..  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 05:18 PM   #148 
                       - nice, very nice  hlthe2b   Nov-17-07 04:57 PM   #136 
  - The General Was Quite Mild By Historical Standards, Sir  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 01:56 PM   #99 
     - I was not being sarcastic.  JVS   Nov-17-07 02:04 PM   #102 
     - Please Accept My Apologies, Sir, For My Misunderstanding  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:42 PM   #168 
     - Sherman understood better than most in the North what a  coalition_unwilling   Nov-17-07 02:27 PM   #111 
        - The U. S. Government Uber Alles, right pal? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 05:15 PM   #145 
        - Honestly, Mr. Federfer....  The Magistrate   Nov-17-07 09:40 PM   #167 
           - We now have the biggest U. S. Government in history. Do you like it? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:15 PM   #179 
              - The Republicans version of big government, is far different than the  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:33 PM   #185 
                 - After Hillary's been in office for a while, you won't be able to tell them apart. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-18-07 12:13 AM   #198 
        - Good post. Right on the money. And yes...  Joe Fields   Nov-17-07 06:34 PM   #155 
           - ?  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-17-07 09:18 PM   #163 
  - Thank you. We've had our disagreements (over Israeli policy  coalition_unwilling   Nov-17-07 02:06 PM   #104 
  - Well, if they understand what it means to be subjugated, they should  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:41 AM   #10 
  - I would suspect that  SharkSquid   Nov-17-07 09:45 AM   #11 
  - I suspect that, had the Confederacy would have survived, Hitler would have won WWII.  tom_paine   Nov-17-07 10:09 AM   #24 
  - Dude, chill out. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:16 AM   #34 
  - No. Too many people in this country spend too much time with their fingers in their  tom_paine   Nov-17-07 10:26 AM   #44 
     - I enjoy reading your posts. They have a great deal of courage in them.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:38 AM   #51 
     - Also, perceptiveness, and your throw-away line, to chill out, didn't exactly  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-17-07 12:23 PM   #82 
        - Just one point:  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 12:52 PM   #86 
           - Sorry. And thank you.  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-17-07 02:22 PM   #108 
     - Man I wish we could nominate individual posts in a thread  Chovexani   Nov-17-07 11:13 AM   #57 
  - If the Confederacy had survived, perhaps  Yupster   Nov-17-07 09:56 PM   #172 
  - Have you ever seen "CSA: Confederate States of America"?  Taverner   Nov-17-07 12:11 PM   #81 
     - The movie theorised that the Confederacy  Yupster   Nov-17-07 09:58 PM   #173 
        - The South had a formidable military  Taverner   Nov-17-07 10:01 PM   #175 
           - That's a good one  Yupster   Nov-17-07 10:12 PM   #177 
  - Ah, but you see, pre-1960, most white Southerners did not consider  coalition_unwilling   Nov-17-07 02:14 PM   #105 
  - Johnny Reb deserved every ounce of jackboot he got  Taverner   Nov-17-07 12:04 PM   #74 
  - I hope you don't find yourself under that same boot, my friend. n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 05:29 PM   #150 
     - The average Southerner wasn't hurt by reconstruction one bit  Taverner   Nov-17-07 06:08 PM   #152 
        - It was the war that got the average southerner  Yupster   Nov-17-07 10:01 PM   #174 
           - Well, they shouldn't have taken arms up against their country  Taverner   Nov-17-07 10:07 PM   #176 
              - Should one never take up arms against their country (i.e., government)? n/t  Al Federfer   Nov-17-07 10:13 PM   #178 
              - The Government is the Constitution.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 10:54 PM   #189 
              - They left the Union by formal vote  Yupster   Nov-17-07 10:22 PM   #181 
              - Nope.  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 10:50 PM   #188 
                 - Well that's what the Supreme Court would have had to decide  Yupster   Nov-17-07 10:55 PM   #190 
                    - Became a moot point when the south attacked. n/t  NutmegYankee   Nov-18-07 12:11 AM   #197 
              - Fort Sumter was the first act of agression. n/t  NutmegYankee   Nov-17-07 10:47 PM   #187 
  - African Americans know how it feels to have the white Southern  coalition_unwilling   Nov-17-07 02:04 PM   #103 
  - The Cherokee were the largest tribe in the SE  supernova   Nov-17-07 09:56 AM   #17 
  - That would explain it. Thank you.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:03 AM   #20 
  - Southerners are not all racist, anyway. I'm reading  DemBones DemBones   Nov-17-07 10:06 AM   #22 
     - No, they're not all racist, but, quite frankly, few people have survived  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:10 AM   #25 
     - Thanks for the tip  supernova   Nov-17-07 10:11 AM   #27 
     - Exactly  DangerDave921   Nov-17-07 10:18 AM   #36 
        - Innit, though?  supernova   Nov-17-07 10:33 AM   #48 
           - Isn't that the truth?  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:40 AM   #52 
              - Me neither.  supernova   Nov-17-07 10:57 AM   #53 
     - Oh, I'll look for that book  tammywammy   Nov-17-07 10:16 AM   #33 
  - Cherokee Nations declaration of support.............  BlackVelvet04   Nov-17-07 10:13 AM   #30 
  - Thank you!  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:20 AM   #38 
  - Isn't it nice to have  BlackVelvet04   Nov-17-07 10:23 AM   #40 
  - It's part of the human condition. We ALL seek it out in one way or another.  tom_paine   Nov-17-07 10:33 AM   #46 
     - Exactly....  BlackVelvet04   Nov-17-07 11:22 AM   #59 
  - Cherokee is the only tribe they know  Chovexani   Nov-17-07 11:09 AM   #55 
  - Did you ever  Orangeone   Nov-17-07 11:21 AM   #58 
  - Where do you get your information? n/t  BlackVelvet04   Nov-17-07 11:29 AM   #61 
  - Just my experience  Orangeone   Nov-17-07 01:26 PM   #89 
  - not only female, but quite often a princess  fishwax   Nov-17-07 01:58 PM   #100 
  - ah yes, the whole "Cherokee Princess" nonsense...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:30 PM   #121 
  - That's because Cherokee brides were more "affordable" than "white" brides...  mitchum   Nov-17-07 06:36 PM   #156 
  - No, it's not.....  BlackVelvet04   Nov-17-07 11:28 AM   #60 
  - The Eastern Band Cherokee were settled throughout the Southeast  Lorien   Nov-17-07 02:22 PM   #109 
  - ironically, their ancestors were the ones who wanted the Cherokee gone...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:35 PM   #122 
  - *cough* Pequod *cough*  Shakespeare   Nov-17-07 05:16 PM   #146 
     - I know all about it and will never deny it...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 11:36 PM   #193 
  - What a completely ignorant post.  Shakespeare   Nov-17-07 05:15 PM   #144 
  - And maybe some of them drive Jeeps.. My guess  SoCalDem   Nov-17-07 09:51 PM   #170 
  - First, the "idealization" of a minority within what may be viewed as a successor that minority is  nealmhughes   Nov-17-07 11:37 AM   #62 
  - Thanks for the info.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 11:49 AM   #64 
     - Yes  recovering democrat   Nov-17-07 01:36 PM   #90 
        - Do you have any more history on McIntosh?  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 04:55 PM   #135 
           - McIntosh  recovering democrat   Nov-17-07 07:59 PM   #159 
              - How incredible that land deals show up this early for this family.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:00 PM   #161 
                 - McIntoshes and land  recovering democrat   Nov-17-07 10:57 PM   #191 
  - I'm reminded of northerners who deny being racists but who are deeply so  eleny   Nov-17-07 11:48 AM   #63 
  - They use to say,  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 11:57 AM   #68 
  - you tell me. i cant figure it. my brother INSISTS we are, ... yup... cherokee  seabeyond   Nov-17-07 01:46 PM   #94 
  - precisely. n/t  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 04:33 PM   #129 
  - Fake Indians wallowing in other people's victimhood...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:26 PM   #120 
  - Actually, Cherokee removal was done under Van Buren, not Jackson!  nealmhughes   Nov-17-07 03:41 PM   #123 
     - yeah, I know...  NorthernSpy   Nov-17-07 03:59 PM   #126 
  - love the broad stroke re: "southern confederate types"  book_worm   Nov-17-07 04:47 PM   #133 
  - But, but, I don't live in Chicago or Boston or in the Midwest.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 04:54 PM   #134 
  - The Irish were horribly discreminated against in the North to name just one other group  Mutineer   Nov-17-07 10:22 PM   #182 
     - How about the Scot-Irish? Don't you think they've overcome their  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 10:38 PM   #186 
  - They favor the Cherokee  Ella   Nov-17-07 08:01 PM   #160 
  - Keeping secrets does seem to be part of the southern experience.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-17-07 09:02 PM   #162 
  - Quite true, Ella.  NOLALady   Nov-18-07 02:14 AM   #202 
  - Locking.  Moderator   Nov-18-07 05:29 AM   #203 
 

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