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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:36 AM
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18. I agree - and I think that this is an area where our social rules get fuzzy.
In many ways, our culture hasn't caught up to the reality of the world. In the United States, it is unusual for a woman to be running for president (that alone shows how backward we are, since many other countries have and have had elected female leaders).

From the old-fashioned social etiquette point of view, Hillary Clinton is "Mrs. William J. Clinton, former First Lady."
As a woman in the 21st century, she is also "Ms. Clinton, or Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton."
Earlier in her career and marriage she, like many other married professional women, used her birth name: "Ms. Hillary Rodham."
As a U.S. Senator, she is "Senator Clinton, or Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."

In the above roles, she would be expected to have the prerogative to extend her hand in a shake or not.

But as a presidential candidate, it's a bit awkward. In that milieu, she can be expected to be "one of the boys." Except that none of the other candidates are going to ignore that she is a woman AND a former First Lady. So it all gets a bit awkward.

Not surprising. Just a sign of how far our country's culture still has to go to acknowledge true women's equality.
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  -Unless my eyes deceived me ... and i have developed extremely poor eyesight recently was weird flordehinojos  Nov-16-07 08:43 AM   #0 
  - how very cheap of him!!!!  flordehinojos   Nov-16-07 08:50 AM   #2 
  - Not if someone knows his manners, and why are you 'yelling'? nt  babylonsister   Nov-16-07 09:01 AM   #8 
     - was i yelling? soorry. i apologize. i guess i got a little excited.  flordehinojos   Nov-16-07 09:04 AM   #10 
        - Not you, the poster with all the CAPS! There's lots of things to worry  babylonsister   Nov-16-07 09:07 AM   #12 
           - you are right but you know ... in this political atmosphere anything goes ...  flordehinojos   Nov-16-07 09:10 AM   #13 
  - he seems to have trouble knowing where to put his hands.  Evergreen Emerald   Nov-16-07 08:53 AM   #3 
  - is his difficulty with knowing where to put his hands (national anthem/flag salute)  flordehinojos   Nov-16-07 08:58 AM   #4 
  - A gentleman never extends his hand to a lady; it is her prerogative  Glorfindel   Nov-16-07 08:58 AM   #5 
  - so should her not shaking hands with them be considered a slight or an offense to them?  flordehinojos   Nov-16-07 08:59 AM   #6 
  - Could be...usually it is not to be considered a slight.  Tyler Durden   Nov-16-07 09:02 AM   #9 
  - Not at all - it's always the lady's choice and no motive should be inferred  Glorfindel   Nov-16-07 09:13 AM   #14 
     - Well I am female and no one ever told me that  Annces   Nov-16-07 09:20 AM   #15 
        - Etiquette books. Try Miss Manners or Emily Post.  yardwork   Nov-16-07 09:37 AM   #19 
           - For old-fashioned etiquette that's true. But not necessarily for business or politics where  SharonAnn   Nov-16-07 09:44 AM   #22 
           - Contemporary etiquette books do address business ranks, but  yardwork   Nov-16-07 10:14 AM   #23 
           - I tend to think  Annces   Nov-16-07 10:32 AM   #24 
  - yeah, well--they are all candidates. and handshaking shows  orleans   Nov-16-07 09:05 AM   #11 
  - Agree n/t  Annces   Nov-16-07 09:20 AM   #16 
  - I agree - and I think that this is an area where our social rules get fuzzy.  yardwork   Nov-16-07 09:36 AM   #18 
  - WTF?  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-16-07 09:42 AM   #21 
     - yeah, protocol sometimes can turn into dogma  donsu   Nov-16-07 10:45 AM   #25 
  - To be very slightly "Old School":  Tyler Durden   Nov-16-07 09:00 AM   #7 
  - that is also my understanding, if we're talking ettiquette Old School  librechik   Nov-16-07 09:26 AM   #17 
  - WHO CARES!  iamthebandfanman   Nov-16-07 09:38 AM   #20 
  - all men are evil misogynists  leftofthedial   Nov-16-07 10:47 AM   #26 

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