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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:13 AM
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20. Thanks for the link, DemBones DemBones.
Here's the thing: What if a past-tense subjunctive depends on another subjunctive with in the same sentence? ("If I were to (or was to)..., then I would...) It generally precludes one from using "had."
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  -Can I bother you with a question about a past-tense subjunctive? BuyingThyme  Nov-13-07 10:35 AM   #0 
  - I don't know! Someone please explain!!! GREAT question! nt  MookieWilson   Nov-13-07 10:36 AM   #1 
  - In that case you use the subjective subjunctive, for example:  King Coal   Nov-13-07 11:23 AM   #25 
     - I don't even remember werpt.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:54 AM   #39 
  - Simple : Just. Don't. Vote. For. Hillary.  AzDar   Nov-13-07 10:37 AM   #2 
  - "If I had voted for hillary..."  CT_Progressive   Nov-13-07 10:38 AM   #3 
  - I'm trying to avoid the hads.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 12:25 PM   #44 
  - "If I were to have voted for Hillary then..."  DemItAllAnyway   Nov-13-07 10:39 AM   #4 
  - Well, it definitely was then.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:19 AM   #24 
  - I'm not certain, but as a copy editor I would strike any combination of "were/was to"  Der Blaue Engel   Nov-13-07 10:40 AM   #5 
  - I agree with you, but  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 10:53 AM   #10 
  - Don't bother to read this thread. It is really a stealth DEM bashing thread.  L. Coyote   Nov-13-07 10:41 AM   #6 
  - If it were a bashing thread, it would be a Hillary-bashing thread, not a Dem-bashing one.  DemItAllAnyway   Nov-13-07 10:46 AM   #8 
  - Hillary is a DEM! Being a candidate does not change the fact that a DEM was bashed!  L. Coyote   Nov-13-07 11:16 AM   #22 
     - If I want to bash, I just bash.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:43 AM   #34 
  - Not really.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:01 AM   #14 
  - The header indicates it is about English grammar,  DemBones DemBones   Nov-13-07 11:08 AM   #18 
  - "If I had voted for Hillary then..." n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Nov-13-07 10:43 AM   #7 
  - I don't think subjunctive makes sense in the past  Enrique   Nov-13-07 10:51 AM   #9 
  - It's "If I were to have voted..."  IMModerate   Nov-13-07 10:53 AM   #11 
  - Thank you, IMModerate.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 12:56 PM   #48 
  - If I had voted for Ron Paul I would shoot myself in the head.  Lasher   Nov-13-07 10:57 AM   #12 
  - When I was  frogmarch   Nov-13-07 10:57 AM   #13 
  - Thank you, Frogmarch.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 12:23 PM   #42 
  - BuyingThyme had had a tricky question...  annabanana   Nov-13-07 11:01 AM   #15 
  - In my opinion, the sentence  DemBones DemBones   Nov-13-07 11:02 AM   #16 
  - Thanks for the link, DemBones DemBones.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:13 AM   #20 
     - You're welcome. Why don't you try  DemBones DemBones   Nov-13-07 01:51 PM   #53 
        - That's no fun.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 04:48 PM   #54 
           - I think it is philosophical as well as grammatical.  DemBones DemBones   Nov-13-07 07:03 PM   #55 
  - Maybe just revert to the original  hlthe2b   Nov-13-07 11:06 AM   #17 
  - Here's a link for anyone who wants to know about past and present subjunctive tenses:  DemBones DemBones   Nov-13-07 11:11 AM   #19 
  - No, you're always using the plural with the conditional  supernova   Nov-13-07 11:15 AM   #21 
  - But what if the subjunctive is conditional to another subjective in the sentence?  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:27 AM   #27 
     - No No No!  supernova   Nov-13-07 11:42 AM   #33 
        - That's just a case of failing to read what I writ.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:47 AM   #37 
           - And the answer is "was"  supernova   Nov-13-07 11:53 AM   #38 
              - That's the assumption that prompted my question,  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:57 AM   #41 
  - MODS. We need a AVOID choice along with the REC choice! This is why.  L. Coyote   Nov-13-07 11:18 AM   #23 
  - You have "hide thread"  treestar   Nov-13-07 11:34 AM   #29 
  - No, people just need to post their threads in the appropriate boards.  quantessd   Nov-13-07 11:45 AM   #36 
  - Almost.  nancyharris   Nov-13-07 11:25 AM   #26 
  - If feel that the alert threshold may be approaching, so THANK YOU to all who participated!  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:33 AM   #28 
  - "Were I to have voted for Hillary, I would not have been able to live  treestar   Nov-13-07 11:35 AM   #30 
  - I'm not looking for alternative ways of saying it as much as  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 11:38 AM   #31 
  - ....  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-13-07 11:40 AM   #32 
  - the first sentence is future subjunctive, not present tense  librechik   Nov-13-07 11:45 AM   #35 
  - If it ever were to have been dismaying,  mahatmakanejeeves   Nov-13-07 11:55 AM   #40 
  - Examples.  igil   Nov-13-07 12:24 PM   #43 
  - Great post, Igil.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 12:28 PM   #45 
     - I said that in my post #11.  IMModerate   Nov-13-07 12:44 PM   #46 
        - Thank you too, IMModerate.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 12:55 PM   #47 
           - That's what friends are for...  IMModerate   Nov-13-07 01:11 PM   #49 
  - I think in looking back this tense would be applicable..  angstlessk   Nov-13-07 01:20 PM   #50 
  - Thank you, Angstlessk.  BuyingThyme   Nov-13-07 01:23 PM   #51 
  - "If I voted for Hillary then,...  Deep13   Nov-13-07 01:25 PM   #52 
 

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