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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #80
86. The child never entered into that contract
I think it's not a liberal value to force a contract on someone else.
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  -Should adult adoptees have access to their birth records? cynatnite  Nov-13-07 06:33 AM   #0 
  - I was adopted, and I would no more want my biological mother's privacy violated  Heidi   Nov-13-07 06:46 AM   #1 
  - "Birthmother Privacy" is a myth  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 08:34 AM   #24 
  - Are you saying that you believe adoptees/birth families should have more rights  Heidi   Nov-13-07 08:43 AM   #25 
  - No, that's not what I'm saying  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 08:53 AM   #26 
     - As a matter of fact,  Heidi   Nov-13-07 09:05 AM   #28 
     - Forced parental terminations are not the norm in adoption  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 10:04 AM   #34 
     - they're "not the norm"??  shanti   Nov-13-07 12:19 PM   #52 
        - No, they are not  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 01:05 PM   #56 
           - sorry, but  shanti   Nov-13-07 02:23 PM   #58 
     - I'm reading between the lines here..  hlthe2b   Nov-13-07 12:05 PM   #48 
     - In fact, there is a 1969 no-contact order in place in my case,  Heidi   Nov-13-07 12:16 PM   #51 
        - very unfortunate... Does seem like a blanket order could be placed  hlthe2b   Nov-13-07 12:27 PM   #54 
     - I agree with you  Dorian Gray   Nov-13-07 12:11 PM   #50 
     - The other thing that you now encourage...  qwlauren35   Nov-13-07 11:23 AM   #41 
        - So... the kid has no knowledge of family medical history,  kgfnally   Nov-13-07 11:38 AM   #43 
        - Birth parents are required to inform the agency  NOLALady   Nov-13-07 10:34 PM   #106 
           - For those adoptions that are done through an agency.  RadFemFL   Nov-14-07 08:14 AM   #111 
           - No they aren't. FYI.  progressivebydesign   Nov-14-07 11:21 PM   #120 
        - You know those are all right-wing talking points  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 11:58 AM   #45 
           - I think secrecy is probably the most damaging thing about this  alarimer   Nov-13-07 07:16 PM   #90 
  - It's economically unfair as all hell too  thecatburgler   Nov-13-07 08:59 AM   #27 
  - I would agree with that and support a system in which birth parents and adoptees  Heidi   Nov-13-07 09:11 AM   #30 
  - I Think I'm in Agreement With You  Crisco   Nov-13-07 09:23 AM   #31 
  - Thank you for that post! As a birth mother... I can attest to every word of that! n/t  progressivebydesign   Nov-14-07 11:17 PM   #118 
  - I put I don't know, I am not in that situation nor do I know anyone in that situation  debbierlus   Nov-13-07 09:07 AM   #29 
  - My son's father is adopted. We know his biomom but not his birth father.  LeftyMom   Nov-13-07 02:34 PM   #60 
  - Easy way around this  BoneDaddy   Nov-13-07 06:49 AM   #2 
  - Good idea with the "flag" thing BD  shadowknows69   Nov-13-07 06:54 AM   #4 
  - That's a good idea for future adoptions. But what about those that took place nearly 40 years ago,  Heidi   Nov-13-07 07:02 AM   #6 
  - Then don't consent to be 'flagged' for contact.  Breeze54   Nov-13-07 07:06 AM   #7 
  - My point is  Heidi   Nov-13-07 07:23 AM   #9 
  - You shouldn't but I think what they're saying  Breeze54   Nov-13-07 07:28 AM   #12 
     - It's cold here!  Heidi   Nov-13-07 07:30 AM   #16 
        - lmao!  Breeze54   Nov-13-07 07:54 AM   #21 
           - Ha!  Heidi   Nov-13-07 07:57 AM   #22 
  - all a birth mother has to do  shanti   Nov-13-07 12:23 PM   #53 
  - I think the right to privacy  BoneDaddy   Nov-13-07 07:27 AM   #11 
  - I think the right to privacy _period_ trumps any interest or curiosity  Heidi   Nov-13-07 07:29 AM   #14 
     - 100% in agreement  BoneDaddy   Nov-13-07 07:30 AM   #15 
  - Retroactive change on this is the sticking point for me.  Gormy Cuss   Nov-13-07 10:41 AM   #37 
  - That was a story in Winkerbean comics a month or two ago  LiberalFighter   Nov-13-07 07:40 AM   #18 
  - Great topic for a poll  shadowknows69   Nov-13-07 06:53 AM   #3 
  - The missing piece  me b zola   Nov-13-07 03:39 PM   #63 
  - People change their minds over time.  Breeze54   Nov-13-07 06:55 AM   #5 
  - True  BoneDaddy   Nov-13-07 07:29 AM   #13 
  - We need better databases  Marrah_G   Nov-13-07 07:07 AM   #8 
  - There can be medical implications. Maybe not release the  Lint Head   Nov-13-07 07:27 AM   #10 
  - my mother was adopted  CountAllVotes   Nov-13-07 11:06 AM   #39 
  - Another adoptee here. In NY you can have the file flagged...  WePurrsevere   Nov-13-07 07:31 AM   #17 
  - I voted "no"  midlife_mo_Jo   Nov-13-07 07:46 AM   #19 
  - I'm really surprised at the lopsidedness of the votes so far.  Vickers   Nov-13-07 07:50 AM   #20 
  - Same here...  cynatnite   Nov-13-07 08:09 AM   #23 
     - Why?  Crisco   Nov-13-07 09:25 AM   #32 
        - I just thought people would split fairly evenly over the issue...  cynatnite   Nov-13-07 10:00 AM   #33 
        - Me, too. I voted "no" because I feel that the privacy concerns and  Vickers   Nov-13-07 01:46 PM   #57 
        - Probably thought more "progressives" would respect the expectation of privacy  MH1   Nov-13-07 04:06 PM   #69 
           - I Would Assume More Liberals Would Vote for Openness  Crisco   Nov-13-07 04:57 PM   #76 
              - Breach of contract is a liberal value, you say?  MH1   Nov-13-07 05:49 PM   #80 
                 - The child never entered into that contract  gollygee   Nov-13-07 06:16 PM   #86 
  - I think it should be up to the adoptee  gollygee   Nov-13-07 10:12 AM   #35 
  - If anonymity was a part of the deal -- then it needs to be honored  aikoaiko   Nov-13-07 10:37 AM   #36 
  - Funny I don't remember authorizing such a 'deal' when I was three days old  Oeditpus Rex   Nov-13-07 06:04 PM   #82 
     - Sorry, but I don;t think you should have a say in it.  aikoaiko   Nov-13-07 07:04 PM   #89 
        - ah yes, property has no recognized interest in the conditions of its disposal...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 07:49 PM   #94 
           - Thats not what I said.  aikoaiko   Nov-13-07 08:00 PM   #95 
              - yeah, it is...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 09:45 PM   #103 
  - I'd say no.  Bornaginhooligan   Nov-13-07 11:00 AM   #38 
  - I think it should be up to a mother.  qwlauren35   Nov-13-07 11:13 AM   #40 
  - I belong to a birthmother's group of over 500  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 12:05 PM   #47 
  - Maybe if adoptive parents weren't assured of privacy,  NOLALady   Nov-13-07 11:00 PM   #107 
     - Or maybe...  RadFemFL   Nov-14-07 08:12 AM   #110 
  - I am in agreement with you. There are alot of women living  Ilsa   Nov-17-07 10:49 AM   #132 
  - Given we know- KNOW, beyond any doubt- that there are such things  kgfnally   Nov-13-07 11:33 AM   #42 
  - Which of your original birth records would give you any hint  Heidi   Nov-13-07 11:48 AM   #44 
  - Which is why I voted yes  48percenter   Nov-13-07 03:43 PM   #65 
  - No.  TheUniverse   Nov-13-07 11:59 AM   #46 
  - tough!  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 04:45 PM   #74 
     - Right to know birth mother vs. NOT BEING BORN AT ALL  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-13-07 09:12 PM   #100 
        - baloney  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 09:27 PM   #101 
  - Yes, for now and in the future  supernova   Nov-13-07 12:07 PM   #49 
  - I was abandoned and adopted.  Peake   Nov-13-07 12:34 PM   #55 
  - A shame that book wasn't around when I was a child  me b zola   Nov-13-07 04:02 PM   #68 
  - Yes, if both parties agree  noonwitch   Nov-13-07 02:31 PM   #59 
  - absolutely, unequivocally YES!  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 03:02 PM   #61 
  - No, not automatically. It should be a choice.  Toucano   Nov-13-07 03:37 PM   #62 
  - Medical histories change over time  RadFemFL   Nov-13-07 03:50 PM   #67 
     - Exactly! My birth familes all developed or diagnosed with illness *after* my adoption  Shallah   Nov-15-07 12:31 AM   #127 
  - Not unless BOTH parties are willing  Horse with no Name   Nov-13-07 03:42 PM   #64 
  - Exactly.  MH1   Nov-13-07 04:08 PM   #71 
     - I always knew that an adoption was, at heart, a business dealing...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 04:25 PM   #72 
        - Privacy is not a fundamental right?  MH1   Nov-13-07 05:55 PM   #81 
           - it's a right whose full exercise you may forfeit by becoming a parent...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 06:12 PM   #84 
              - Okay, so the answer, you say, is to get an abortion.  MH1   Nov-13-07 06:14 PM   #85 
              - nope  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 07:40 PM   #92 
              - I have children, and I don't think they have the right to my  Ilsa   Nov-17-07 11:41 AM   #134 
  - For once, a question that's so easy to answer!  dotcosm   Nov-13-07 03:44 PM   #66 
  - I answered no  lwfern   Nov-13-07 04:43 PM   #73 
  - your child is not "some random stranger"  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 05:00 PM   #77 
     - It's possible to give a medical history  supernova   Nov-13-07 05:45 PM   #79 
     - In many cases the woman didn't ask to give birth.  lwfern   Nov-13-07 06:10 PM   #83 
        - nice try, but we can take special circumstances into account...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 07:35 PM   #91 
           - The best person to judge the woman's circumstances  lwfern   Nov-13-07 08:05 PM   #96 
              - oh, you can deny your obligations all you want...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 09:37 PM   #102 
                 - I notice you only mention the mother's name.  lwfern   Nov-13-07 09:48 PM   #104 
                    - I'm following you on that...  NorthernSpy   Nov-13-07 10:17 PM   #105 
  - exactly my thoughts. n/t  kwyjibo   Nov-14-07 11:11 PM   #116 
  - Depends.. IF the birth mother wants to be "found" she should be able  SoCalDem   Nov-13-07 04:06 PM   #70 
  - My wife is adopted  NekoChris   Nov-13-07 04:49 PM   #75 
  - Wouldn't forced disclosure lead to more abortions?  Truth Hurts A Lot   Nov-13-07 05:40 PM   #78 
  - It's only a Pro-Choice issue when the baby is still inside of her.  oktoberain   Nov-13-07 06:39 PM   #88 
  - We're talking about adults, not "a child" at this point, right?  lwfern   Nov-13-07 08:09 PM   #98 
  - I think that's an obvious yes.  lwfern   Nov-13-07 08:16 PM   #99 
  - My opinion:  oktoberain   Nov-13-07 06:24 PM   #87 
  - Of course, people have a right to their genetic legacy.  LeviathanCrumbling   Nov-13-07 07:48 PM   #93 
  - That's not a "right".  lwfern   Nov-13-07 08:06 PM   #97 
     - When it comes to something like a medical history it isn't a desire it is a right  LeviathanCrumbling   Nov-13-07 11:41 PM   #108 
        - This goes back to what I was saying above  lwfern   Nov-14-07 05:44 AM   #109 
           - Every doctor my Mother took me to as a kid wanted family history aka parental medical history  Shallah   Nov-15-07 12:18 AM   #126 
  - agnostic here.  ulysses   Nov-14-07 06:18 PM   #112 
  - Yes!  me b zola   Nov-14-07 10:23 PM   #113 
  - From the article:  me b zola   Nov-14-07 11:03 PM   #114 
  - Shouldn't HIPAA prevent this? If the birthmother won't release medical records no one can get them.  RGBolen   Nov-14-07 11:08 PM   #115 
  - perhaps you misunderstand  shanti   Nov-14-07 11:20 PM   #119 
  - As a birth mother, I said "yes" .. BUT there should be framework in place for privacy if needed..  progressivebydesign   Nov-14-07 11:16 PM   #117 
  - sure, because many are  shanti   Nov-14-07 11:25 PM   #122 
  - No, unless the birth mother has agreed  question everything   Nov-14-07 11:25 PM   #121 
  - Keep spewing the anti-choice talking points  RadFemFL   Nov-15-07 08:20 AM   #128 
     - it's not privacy that's being urged on birthmothers, RadFemFL -- it's secrecy...  NorthernSpy   Nov-15-07 04:12 PM   #130 
  - Adopted Offspring Deserve Medical Info Often Not Available at Adoption  Shallah   Nov-15-07 12:00 AM   #123 
  - My FIL's daughter contacted him 15 or so years ago  alittlelark   Nov-15-07 12:04 AM   #124 
  - YES! Sign me, Adopted adult very happy to have found my birth family  ourbluenation   Nov-15-07 12:16 AM   #125 
  - There are already those types of things in place  RadFemFL   Nov-15-07 03:00 PM   #129 
  - Yes, adult adoptees should have access  Angela Shelley   Nov-17-07 08:55 AM   #131 
  - The problem is that you aren't just asking for the medical history of the birth  Ilsa   Nov-17-07 10:54 AM   #133 
 

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