| 138. we HAVE universal single payer health care here |
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Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 04:01 PM by BelgianMadCow
NO ONE has a medical bankruptcy because we have a "maximum bill" - anything costing more will be paid by the government.
Everybody is covered. Everybody pays too, through progressive taxes that pay for all of our govt.
It's not like everything is free - there are deductibles. But they are relatively small - like a couple euro for a doctors visit.
If you have a serious condition, you will experience a financial setback alright. But you WILL be covered and you won't go broke.
And you will receive exactly the same treatment as anyone else - no two systems.
Private insurance does exist and is offered by employers - to make you totally immune to the mentioned setbacks, and allow for even better care, like including dental all the way, getting a single room, covering those deductibles. But most people buy a cheap (150 euro for a family of three per year) extra policy from the government, which insulates you for the better part of the big risks.
This thread makes me go bananas. Will you please as some others have mentioned look at how other civilized countries do it?
The health care I mentioned is costing about 550 Billion (on edit : dollar, that is) if you transpose it to the US (assuming all things being equal, and medically speaking we shouldn't be that far apart).
So that is a bit over the Defense/War budget.
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| -REQUIRING all Americans to BUY health insurance is NOT universal healthcare!!! |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 09:03 AM |
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and who will we buy it from? I'm sure some insurance company that gave to the candidate... |
NightWatcher |
Nov-12-07 09:05 AM |
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"Medicare for all" model gets my vote too... |
BrklynLiberal |
Nov-12-07 09:07 AM |
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exactly. health insurance is the only weak spot in Edwards' platform. But 90% |
robinlynne |
Nov-12-07 12:19 PM |
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Exactly. nt |
blondeatlast |
Nov-12-07 09:16 AM |
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I Prefer Medicare for All, Too |
ribofunk |
Nov-12-07 09:37 AM |
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Right now the only candidate I am aware of backing Medicare for All is Kucinich |
KamaAina |
Nov-14-07 05:48 PM |
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Seems like it should be illegal to FORCE us to buy insurance, doesn't it? |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 01:02 PM |
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As a senior, I will be "fined" by being charged a higher monthly fee for Medicare Part B |
CTyankee |
Nov-12-07 04:34 PM |
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Unbelievable. I wasn't aware of the over 65 situation. That's really pitiful. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 08:10 PM |
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For me it isn't, thank god, but I don't know about other, poorer seniors. |
CTyankee |
Nov-13-07 07:59 AM |
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Yes, it's impossible for health care to be free. |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-13-07 12:23 PM |
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I'm forced to buy car insurance, most ppl are, and |
Pahket |
Nov-13-07 05:44 PM |
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if hospitals can be forced to treat your sorry ass |
bpeale |
Nov-13-07 05:52 PM |
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Forced health insurance = corporate welfare to insurance companies |
havocmom |
Nov-17-07 09:47 AM |
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I think all our Dems allow you to buy into Medicare if you want |
IronLionZion |
Nov-12-07 02:04 PM |
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except right now you can't just buy into Medicare, you just are able to get it |
yellowdogintexas |
Nov-13-07 09:31 PM |
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Expect significant changes when a Dem takes the white house nt |
IronLionZion |
Nov-14-07 10:55 AM |
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I should hope so. nt |
yellowdogintexas |
Nov-14-07 05:39 PM |
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sure smells like f*cking snake oil to me. |
Whisp |
Nov-13-07 06:03 PM |
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what's affordable when you don't even have 50 bucks to spare? |
Maine-ah |
Nov-12-07 09:07 AM |
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I think Clinton's plan talks about expansion of Medicaid upward. |
CTyankee |
Nov-12-07 04:42 PM |
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What about people who are currently "uninsurable" due to preexisting conditions? nt |
thecatburgler |
Nov-12-07 09:07 AM |
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A bonus. |
HypnoToad |
Nov-12-07 09:11 AM |
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ALL the candidates plans would eliminate the "pre-existing condition" |
napi21 |
Nov-12-07 09:17 AM |
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Well that's good. But I hope ins. cos. won't be able to charge exhorbitant rates. nt |
thecatburgler |
Nov-12-07 09:46 AM |
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Clinton's plan limits premiums |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:03 PM |
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BFD.. limited premiums translates into "tiered" coverage & co-pays |
SoCalDem |
Nov-12-07 06:27 PM |
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See my response # 62 about COBRA |
truedelphi |
Nov-12-07 01:46 PM |
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that is the point of grouping everyone into the huge coverage pool |
yellowdogintexas |
Nov-13-07 09:34 PM |
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thank you for researching that and letting us know |
GloriaSmith |
Nov-12-07 02:53 PM |
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My pre-existing condition is being unemployed. No one wants to insure me. nt |
MookieWilson |
Nov-12-07 09:23 AM |
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Under Clinton's plan, you will have insurance |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:22 PM |
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If you have the money to pay for it. |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 04:45 PM |
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They will go without coverage and care |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 04:44 PM |
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I've seen Edwards speak about his plan and as he describes it, |
Feeney2 |
Nov-12-07 09:11 AM |
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No kidding. |
LWolf |
Nov-12-07 09:12 AM |
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exactly to some people there is no affordable price, none whatsoever |
madokie |
Nov-12-07 09:12 AM |
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We must shake the profit motive off our health care! |
librechik |
Nov-12-07 09:15 AM |
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LOL! |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-12-07 09:29 AM |
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Thanks for throwing me under the bus |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:05 PM |
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They all make it sooooo damn complicated |
jzodda |
Nov-12-07 09:21 AM |
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Buying is fine so long as you don't do so as an individual or can be denied, as is the case now. nt |
MookieWilson |
Nov-12-07 09:22 AM |
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Characteristics of a single-payer, universal access health care system: |
warren pease |
Nov-12-07 09:23 AM |
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Great post! I agree with you 100%. And, yes, Kucinich is the ONLY one |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 12:38 PM |
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Excellent Post. |
dubyadubya3 |
Nov-12-07 06:58 PM |
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That's correct. |
mmonk |
Nov-12-07 09:26 AM |
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Yep. And money that is those Insurance Co. bank acounts doesn't go to care. It goes to |
John Q. Citizen |
Nov-12-07 09:40 AM |
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Don't forget Bidens plan |
Froward69 |
Nov-12-07 12:43 PM |
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Naive maybe, but not necessarily wrong. |
mmonk |
Nov-12-07 04:40 PM |
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I agree |
Froward69 |
Nov-12-07 04:49 PM |
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Of course, I know that isn't going to happen though. |
mmonk |
Nov-13-07 06:34 AM |
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Health Insurance doesn't actually insure you for anything |
harun |
Nov-12-07 09:40 AM |
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Is there a real difference between forcing to buy, and raising taxes to pay for a .gov-run system? |
slackmaster |
Nov-12-07 09:44 AM |
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yes |
JVS |
Nov-12-07 09:50 AM |
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Yes, because taxes are progressive, premiums are generally not n/t |
frazzled |
Nov-12-07 09:52 AM |
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The costs are "progressive" also. |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 12:50 PM |
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Only if the tax for health care is keyed to progressive taxation in the first place. |
CTyankee |
Nov-12-07 04:53 PM |
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Yes there is... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-12-07 09:56 AM |
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You didn't answer the question |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:01 PM |
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I did not post to argue... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-12-07 04:11 PM |
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Your demand for the whole enchilada as you put it can only work if our |
CTyankee |
Nov-13-07 01:46 PM |
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We're in primary season now... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-13-07 03:17 PM |
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Sorry for my use of the word "demand." That was a bit harsh and I don't think you |
CTyankee |
Nov-13-07 04:09 PM |
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No prob, I didn't really take it as harsh... |
ljm2002 |
Nov-13-07 08:48 PM |
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In all fairness to your opponents on this board, I think their desperation is what drives |
CTyankee |
Nov-14-07 08:17 AM |
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Yes. Public system = not for profit. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:11 PM |
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Even with single payer, there will still be profit in the health care system |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:38 PM |
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Yeah, for those providing care. Not for those being middle men. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:42 PM |
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Yes, a lot |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 04:50 PM |
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Payroll taxes start at dollar one unlike a progressive income tax. You HAVE to pay payroll taxes. |
CTyankee |
Nov-12-07 04:58 PM |
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Cost control |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 05:01 PM |
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Ihope you are not putting me in a category with Republicans! If so, I didn'tmean to imply that I was |
CTyankee |
Nov-12-07 07:42 PM |
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i bet 95% of the hospital and doctors business office personal |
madrchsod |
Nov-12-07 10:03 AM |
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But it is a boon to the Insurance Lobby and Reps with stocks in those companies |
Supersedeas |
Nov-12-07 10:33 AM |
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Americans need Health Care, not insurance |
daa |
Nov-12-07 12:08 PM |
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K&R Universal Health Insurance partially funded by tax credits |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-12-07 12:11 PM |
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yep...what a bunch of crap! n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 12:43 PM |
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Well, it keeps the Health Insurance industry healthy. |
Atman |
Nov-12-07 12:13 PM |
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Certainly does seem that way! Good cartoon! n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 12:54 PM |
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But does it put care intothe hands of the treating physician? |
hootinholler |
Nov-12-07 12:15 PM |
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K&R |
gateley |
Nov-12-07 12:17 PM |
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And if Congress does not approve MY plan I'll try and take away |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-12-07 12:18 PM |
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Either you accept health care as a RIGHT or you do not. |
Milo_Bloom |
Nov-12-07 12:20 PM |
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Yes, they'll be able to FORCE you to PURHCASE insurance that will only look for ways to SCREW you. |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 12:47 PM |
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You can buy insurance from the govt. The same plan Congress gets |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:02 PM |
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Which are still private plans. |
Milo_Bloom |
Nov-12-07 01:12 PM |
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So what? |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:26 PM |
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So EVERYTHING. |
Milo_Bloom |
Nov-12-07 02:07 PM |
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You're still trying to change the subject |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:16 PM |
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I did address the subject, EXACTLY ON POINT. |
Milo_Bloom |
Nov-12-07 02:20 PM |
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the insurance industry is a major part of the problem.... |
mike_c |
Nov-12-07 12:33 PM |
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Industry: Health Care Plans... Market Cap 192.4B link... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-12-07 12:40 PM |
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If we have to go with a mandatory insurance scheme, I have a non-negotiable demand. |
backscatter712 |
Nov-12-07 12:49 PM |
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and i don't think they're gonna go for that one...too much risk! |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 12:59 PM |
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Clinton's plan includes EVERY thing you asked for |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:05 PM |
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i'm not going along with anything that doesn't include getting rid of the insurance companies. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 01:07 PM |
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No universal plan is acceptable as long as it includes PROFITS for leeches. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:11 PM |
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Thanks for throwing me under the bus |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:28 PM |
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It's not me, it's dems who won't risk pissing off the insurance industry. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:39 PM |
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So throw me under the bus and blame the dems |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:01 PM |
#78 |
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What can *I* do about it now, praytell? |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:04 PM |
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Support Universal Health Care |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:17 PM |
#92 |
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Never. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:22 PM |
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So how will being forced to buy from a private insurance company help you |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-12-07 05:15 PM |
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We can have it all by getting it from the smokers. |
Beerboy |
Nov-12-07 12:53 PM |
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Could you possibly |
Pastiche423 |
Nov-12-07 06:48 PM |
#176 |
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YAY corporatism! |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:09 PM |
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YAY killing poor people |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:32 PM |
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Wait? Why wait? |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:38 PM |
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The insured don't want govt provided insurance |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:44 PM |
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Who said anyone would be forced to switch? |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:49 PM |
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Under Single Payer, their current insurance companies won't exist |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:52 PM |
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Wrong wrong wrong... |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:53 PM |
#72 |
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What do you think "single payer" means? |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:03 PM |
#79 |
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*sigh* |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:04 PM |
#82 |
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It's a simple question |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:18 PM |
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I'll let you look that one up. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:22 PM |
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The majority are NOT satisfied with their coverage |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-12-07 05:17 PM |
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They are only satified if they don't really have to USE it! |
annabanana |
Nov-14-07 05:55 PM |
#226 |
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so, according to you..it is the progressives who want universal health care |
angstlessk |
Nov-14-07 05:54 PM |
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COBRA is the original CLINTON health care insurance nightmare |
truedelphi |
Nov-12-07 01:43 PM |
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Do you prefer no insurance at all when you get laid off? |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:45 PM |
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That's what happens *with* COBRA, too... |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:50 PM |
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Without COBRA it always happened |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 01:56 PM |
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COBRA doesn't pay your insurance. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:57 PM |
#75 |
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Hello? COBRA isn't free. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:12 PM |
#89 |
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Hello? COBRA reduces the cost by more than 50% |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:19 PM |
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You may be misguided if you can afford COBRA yet think you're poor. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:21 PM |
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I can't afford COBRA |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:23 PM |
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I see. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:23 PM |
#101 |
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Have you ever heard of medical bankruptcy? |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:34 PM |
#105 |
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Yes, insurance. For a price. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:35 PM |
#106 |
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No, poor people get insurance for free |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:37 PM |
#109 |
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How does UHC magically mean everyone can afford it? |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:41 PM |
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Tax credits, and subsidies |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:44 PM |
#122 |
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So you're in favor of handing tax money to insurance execs. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:45 PM |
#125 |
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Cuke wants to get "free" insurance for herself (if |
bvar22 |
Nov-12-07 03:54 PM |
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You don't start out from a position of compromise. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 03:55 PM |
#142 |
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Then why defend it? |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 02:27 PM |
#103 |
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It helps make health insurance affordable for some |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:36 PM |
#108 |
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The issue is we have the opportunity |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 02:45 PM |
#124 |
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Not always |
dflprincess |
Nov-12-07 02:43 PM |
#120 |
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That is true. Thanks for point that out |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:45 PM |
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It really isn't. |
Feron |
Nov-12-07 08:12 PM |
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I am SO convinced that *most * Hillary Clinton Supporters |
truedelphi |
Nov-12-07 01:59 PM |
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It's made me decide to change my resgistration to Independent |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:05 PM |
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$750,000 . . . you're kidding, right? |
Vinca |
Nov-12-07 02:08 PM |
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Actually, I do live with my Mommy |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:21 PM |
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The role of Alzh. caregiver is a rough one. Try and get some |
truedelphi |
Nov-12-07 02:53 PM |
#134 |
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COBRA is no longer affordable for many |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 05:12 PM |
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What if I don't want health insurance? |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-12-07 01:46 PM |
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Some candidates' plans will do exactly that. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 01:52 PM |
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If they enact what's on offer now |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 01:52 PM |
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Definitions |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-12-07 01:57 PM |
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It's not free as in doctors don't get paid. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:10 PM |
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There will still be incentives to limit care with SP |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:39 PM |
#112 |
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That's funny. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:41 PM |
#115 |
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Yes, and they face pressures to limit services |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:45 PM |
#123 |
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Sure, just like every other business. There's no PROFIT |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:46 PM |
#127 |
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Definitions |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 02:12 PM |
#88 |
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But the private insurance companies in Britain have not gone out |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-12-07 02:24 PM |
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But at least they |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 02:32 PM |
#104 |
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Under the proposed plans, you can get your insurance from the govt |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:42 PM |
#116 |
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Congress members get their insurance from for-profit, private insurers. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:43 PM |
#118 |
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And it's paid for by the govt |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:46 PM |
#128 |
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You don't seem to have a problem with tax money going to profit insurance execs. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:47 PM |
#129 |
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In reality |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 02:49 PM |
#132 |
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are you insane???? |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 02:44 PM |
#121 |
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There are lots of people who think like that |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 02:47 PM |
#130 |
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There used to be lots more racists. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 02:48 PM |
#131 |
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see this thread |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 03:00 PM |
#136 |
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I don't trust banks |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-12-07 02:56 PM |
#135 |
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Actually health insurance protects 'the other guy', too. |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 03:27 PM |
#137 |
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its not about you, when you rack up $100,000 in bills that cant be paid |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 03:46 PM |
#139 |
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So? |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-12-07 04:00 PM |
#143 |
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ah yes, the "me me me" attitude |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 04:02 PM |
#144 |
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Excuse me |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-12-07 04:20 PM |
#150 |
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the whole notion of universal healthcare is not "free" |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 04:28 PM |
#151 |
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Free |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-12-07 04:33 PM |
#152 |
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in a democracy, the government is us |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 04:40 PM |
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even with single-payer universal healthcare, i would expect some type of co-pay for office visits... |
QuestionAll |
Nov-13-07 08:08 AM |
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overuse |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-13-07 03:21 PM |
#208 |
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that's what the co-pay would hopefully accomplish... |
QuestionAll |
Nov-13-07 05:14 PM |
#211 |
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Health care, like food and water, is a staple of life. |
Feron |
Nov-12-07 08:34 PM |
#188 |
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OK |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-13-07 06:52 AM |
#195 |
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It's already happening in Massachusetts and supposed to go into effect in California also. |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 08:07 PM |
#182 |
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It would be like auto insurance you get waht you can afford if |
blues90 |
Nov-12-07 01:58 PM |
#76 |
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It would reduce the burden on emergency rooms, |
IronLionZion |
Nov-12-07 02:13 PM |
#90 |
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Don't several countries, like Switzerland, do similar? |
NewJeffCT |
Nov-12-07 02:35 PM |
#107 |
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K&R!! |
derby378 |
Nov-12-07 02:39 PM |
#111 |
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What happened to selling Medicare on the open market to |
Cleita |
Nov-12-07 02:40 PM |
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NOTHING HAPPENED TO IT, THE OP FOR SOME REASON DIDNT INCLUDE IT |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 02:43 PM |
#119 |
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I know that's what made Edward's plan brilliant so I was |
Cleita |
Nov-12-07 04:03 PM |
#145 |
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that language is "soft" |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 05:06 PM |
#169 |
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ANY plan would have to go through Congress |
LSK |
Nov-12-07 05:16 PM |
#172 |
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i'm betting you're right. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 08:29 PM |
#187 |
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we HAVE universal single payer health care here |
BelgianMadCow |
Nov-12-07 03:38 PM |
#138 |
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Thank you for providing some insight from a country |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 03:46 PM |
#140 |
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Your earlier attempts are what made me post |
BelgianMadCow |
Nov-12-07 04:16 PM |
#149 |
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Hah! |
redqueen |
Nov-12-07 04:50 PM |
#162 |
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We have resources right here to look at how other countries do |
Cleita |
Nov-12-07 04:05 PM |
#146 |
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It is especially the "it can't be paid for" fear mongering that baffles me |
BelgianMadCow |
Nov-12-07 04:14 PM |
#148 |
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Thanks for your sanity, BelgianMadCow |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 08:24 PM |
#186 |
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Sorry, but that's what we're going to be stuck with |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 04:39 PM |
#154 |
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Just wondering if you had anyone from healthcare on your project |
LeftCoast |
Nov-13-07 12:27 PM |
#205 |
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If the Edwards plan strictly regulated those Insurance companies |
cyclezealot |
Nov-12-07 04:43 PM |
#158 |
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If, if, if... |
OzarkDem |
Nov-12-07 04:53 PM |
#165 |
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agreed. |
cyclezealot |
Nov-12-07 06:25 PM |
#174 |
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yep, silly or just saying whatever to get elected. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 09:07 PM |
#191 |
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What I like about Clinton's plan could accomplish what you want and that's why I like it. |
CTyankee |
Nov-13-07 08:15 AM |
#199 |
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That is the point I make constantly |
onethatcares |
Nov-12-07 04:53 PM |
#166 |
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I want healthcare coverage (at a certain modest level) by mere virtue |
kestrel91316 |
Nov-12-07 07:32 PM |
#178 |
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what you talking |
undercutter2006 |
Nov-12-07 07:57 PM |
#180 |
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But ins. cos don't |
supernova |
Nov-12-07 07:59 PM |
#181 |
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the insurance companies are the problem and need to be eliminated |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 08:21 PM |
#185 |
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the fat cats do do something |
undercutter2006 |
Nov-12-07 08:35 PM |
#189 |
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... |
redqueen |
Nov-13-07 09:11 AM |
#201 |
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And? |
DangerDave921 |
Nov-13-07 06:57 AM |
#196 |
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There's no incentive to refuse care. |
redqueen |
Nov-13-07 09:11 AM |
#202 |
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Medicare runs about 2-3% of expense in admin costs |
supernova |
Nov-13-07 03:23 PM |
#209 |
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edwards should jusy bite the bullet... |
rndmprsn |
Nov-12-07 08:49 PM |
#190 |
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it would be a very good move. nobody wants to do it except kucinich. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-12-07 11:15 PM |
#192 |
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Health care market are absolutely ridiculous |
eridani |
Nov-13-07 04:18 AM |
#193 |
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Boeing pays more per capita than the corner hardware store |
nancyharris |
Nov-13-07 08:27 AM |
#200 |
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OK, they pay less per capita/per benefit, then |
eridani |
Nov-13-07 11:43 PM |
#219 |
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Why make it more expensive? To benefit stockholders, of course. (nt) |
redqueen |
Nov-13-07 09:13 AM |
#203 |
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heck, even if all they promised us was well child, mammograms, |
yellowdogintexas |
Nov-13-07 09:37 PM |
#218 |
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Thank you |
JFN1 |
Nov-14-07 05:50 PM |
#224 |
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There is no such thing as "free health care" |
Angela Shelley |
Nov-17-07 08:44 AM |
#227 |
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Well, well, well, here we go again |
supernova |
Nov-17-07 08:52 AM |
#228 |
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even republicans like that last idea. I don't |
yurbud |
Nov-17-07 09:23 AM |
#229 |
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instead of giving insurance companies checks, we should be writing warrants for their arrests |
yurbud |
Nov-17-07 09:25 AM |
#230 |