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Mon Nov-12-07 09:51 AM
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There is new legislation (2004) called The Constitution Initiative ( http://www.opm.gov/constitution_initiative ) which makes the study of the Constitution a requirement for all federal employees of the executive branch and for all schools and universities receiving federal funds. The bill was sponsored by Sen. Robert Byrd, the Senate's unofficial constitutional scholar. Sen. Byrd also carries a copy of the Constitution in his pocket and frequently wears a Constitution lapel pin directly underneath his Senate pin ( http://byrd.senate.gov/index.html http://pinsforpatriots.com / |
| -I'm all for party loyalty. But if I have to choose between my party & my Constitution ... |
HamdenRice |
Nov-11-07 08:28 AM |
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You're right. In that contest, the Constitution wins. |
LWolf |
Nov-11-07 08:31 AM |
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Hands down. |
mod mom |
Nov-11-07 08:35 AM |
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bingo. |
roguevalley |
Nov-11-07 11:34 AM |
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Rep. Barbara Jordan, "My faith in the Consitution is whole :..." |
SharonAnn |
Nov-12-07 08:47 AM |
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It looks like some members of Congress |
LWolf |
Nov-12-07 09:34 AM |
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What is the "choice" that you're talking about? Can you be more specific? |
brentspeak |
Nov-11-07 08:31 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-11-07 08:50 AM |
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I'm loyal to issues...not a party. n/t |
NotGivingUp |
Nov-11-07 08:32 AM |
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Do you have any principles that you are loyal to that guide your loyalty to issues? |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-11-07 08:38 AM |
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Respect.....respect for people, for the planet and for our laws. |
Toots |
Nov-11-07 10:17 AM |
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Yes, that's a good one. |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-11-07 11:08 AM |
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it's gotten so retarded-clean water,no wars for profit,just tax laws |
natrat |
Nov-11-07 05:57 PM |
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Excellent post that cuts to the heart of the matter |
MadHound |
Nov-11-07 08:41 AM |
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Agreed, But how do we stop those who are bound and determined... |
liberal N proud |
Nov-11-07 08:45 AM |
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Parties only get it when they get punished at the polls |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-07 02:40 PM |
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Are you willing to go through another 4 - 8 years of what we have had |
liberal N proud |
Nov-11-07 03:29 PM |
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I just stated the truth of it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-12-07 01:47 AM |
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You got it. It is all that is left. |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-11-07 10:16 PM |
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The anology is accurate |
Unveiled19 |
Nov-11-07 09:45 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich carries a copy of the U.S. Constitution in his pocket |
whistle |
Nov-11-07 08:48 AM |
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I was talking about this |
zidzi |
Nov-11-07 03:00 PM |
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Ooo! Zidzi! |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-12-07 06:13 AM |
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That's right, Le Taz, it would |
zidzi |
Nov-12-07 08:16 PM |
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It's great for use when debating "constitutional scholars", who've never read it. |
Dr.Phool |
Nov-12-07 07:08 AM |
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Ironic.. since it's Senator Robert |
zidzi |
Nov-12-07 08:26 PM |
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I agree with you on your points on the right to vote. |
FREEWILL56 |
Nov-11-07 11:04 PM |
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excellent post. |
Lerkfish |
Nov-11-07 08:48 AM |
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I completely agree |
proud2Blib |
Nov-11-07 08:50 AM |
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K&R! |
bonito |
Nov-11-07 08:53 AM |
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Restoration of the Constitution and democracy is a good campaign issue |
OzarkDem |
Nov-11-07 09:22 AM |
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Sorry but there are only a handful that are pushing for reestablishment of |
rhett o rick |
Nov-11-07 10:05 AM |
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I think Kucinich is. |
Lerkfish |
Nov-11-07 10:07 AM |
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My greatest apologies yes DK is and so in fact is Ron Paul, not that I support him. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-11-07 10:12 AM |
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All of the dem candidates have spoken about this |
cuke |
Nov-11-07 01:30 PM |
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Not very impressively. Did any of the front runners say they would reestablish habeas corpus |
rhett o rick |
Nov-11-07 03:41 PM |
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More moving the goal posts |
cuke |
Nov-11-07 05:50 PM |
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You are absolutely right. I did a terrible job of stating my position and I thank you for taking me |
rhett o rick |
Nov-12-07 09:38 AM |
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Thank you |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 12:28 PM |
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And thank you for the friendly discussion. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-12-07 12:41 PM |
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On the dem side |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-07 02:42 PM |
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Yes I agree. I mistakenly only was refering to the front runners. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-11-07 03:39 PM |
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Among the front runners the one who has gotten the closest |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-07 04:52 PM |
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Obama has spoken about it. Clinton has spoken about it |
cuke |
Nov-11-07 05:52 PM |
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How is that possible? |
warren pease |
Nov-11-07 01:34 PM |
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I hope you'll post this as an OP -- so well stated! nt |
HamdenRice |
Nov-11-07 01:39 PM |
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I agree completely. You do such a good job of stating it. My post was purely reactionary. nm |
rhett o rick |
Nov-11-07 03:38 PM |
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It is just a joke to the BFEE. But Darth Cheney has Evolved |
sce56 |
Nov-11-07 04:01 PM |
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I hadn't seen that cartoon. Thanx for the link. |
Usrename |
Nov-11-07 08:20 PM |
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Well said. |
H2O Man |
Nov-11-07 10:08 AM |
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There is a political realignment taking place |
HamdenRice |
Nov-11-07 10:21 AM |
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Also giving the Telcos immunity. |
lateo |
Nov-11-07 10:14 AM |
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I can agree with almost all of that. |
cali |
Nov-11-07 10:14 AM |
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Does that also equal empowering Repubs? |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Nov-11-07 10:22 AM |
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that's also what the DLC supporters always say |
Lerkfish |
Nov-11-07 10:44 AM |
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Loud cheering on the side |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-07 02:45 PM |
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All this talk of wasted effort |
Gonnabuymeagun |
Nov-11-07 11:06 AM |
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I agree. n/t |
Poll_Blind |
Nov-11-07 11:03 AM |
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That's my stand as well. |
libnnc |
Nov-11-07 11:14 AM |
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I do not believe that any of our Presidential candidates want to do this |
guruoo |
Nov-11-07 12:41 PM |
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Bravo! |
TheGoldenRule |
Nov-11-07 01:18 PM |
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How do we restore the Constitution without a party? |
cuke |
Nov-11-07 01:34 PM |
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How does a party that ignores criminal conduct restore any laws? |
Usrename |
Nov-11-07 09:02 PM |
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Since you obviously didn't read my post |
cuke |
Nov-12-07 04:27 AM |
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I did read your post, and I agree with it. |
Usrename |
Nov-12-07 01:24 PM |
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"except Hillary" -- this has gotten ridiculous. |
Sparkly |
Nov-11-07 01:35 PM |
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I'll chose a rewrite |
Mrspeeker |
Nov-11-07 02:37 PM |
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I've considered commisioning a T-Shirt |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-07 02:38 PM |
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Bravo to the OP . n/t |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 02:40 PM |
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Well, the Dem. Party leaders are, for the most part, responding to their constituents. |
indie_ana_500 |
Nov-11-07 02:56 PM |
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No. They're not. |
omega minimo |
Nov-11-07 03:02 PM |
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I would strongly disagree with most of your post. we are NOT being represented |
Lerkfish |
Nov-11-07 03:03 PM |
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Is that the "royal 'we?'" |
Sparkly |
Nov-11-07 05:21 PM |
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its the people what voted them in on an anti-war wave |
Lerkfish |
Nov-11-07 06:47 PM |
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THey are? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-11-07 03:04 PM |
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I wouldn't be surprised if your argument is unchanged from when a majority opposed it |
cuke |
Nov-11-07 05:54 PM |
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Pelosi's district voted 60% in favor of impeachment. How is she responding to their wishes? |
jgraz |
Nov-11-07 04:04 PM |
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Do you have any evidence whatsoever to establish that claim, or is this just another |
greyhound1966 |
Nov-11-07 10:34 PM |
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I'm with you - watch this |
lame54 |
Nov-11-07 03:10 PM |
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hallelujah . . . . couldn't have said it better. [n/t] |
stranger81 |
Nov-11-07 03:12 PM |
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The Constitution gets my vote |
MissDeeds |
Nov-11-07 03:13 PM |
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K&R -- excellent post |
jgraz |
Nov-11-07 04:02 PM |
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NYT Quote "Americans are a people in clinical depression,they know their Consititution has been |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 04:56 PM |
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Can you give me a link for this? I would really appreciate it! nt |
HamdenRice |
Nov-11-07 08:29 PM |
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Sound like Frank Rich - |
Usrename |
Nov-11-07 09:31 PM |
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Yes, so there are readers of the NYT here :D - watching C Span |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 09:56 PM |
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There are some real smart folks here. |
Usrename |
Nov-11-07 10:26 PM |
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Op-Ed piece Nov 11 07, url below |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 09:28 PM |
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Nobody fucking listens to me |
Tab |
Nov-11-07 05:12 PM |
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It's our job to kick every one of those Vichy Dems out of office asap. |
Seabiscuit |
Nov-12-07 01:35 AM |
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Work Hard to Change the Party, from "the Ground-Up" |
fascisthunter |
Nov-11-07 05:14 PM |
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I try to be loyal to humanity |
personman |
Nov-11-07 05:19 PM |
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What portions of the Constitution do that ? You said |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 05:49 PM |
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The 14th Amendment, in the form of property rights. |
personman |
Nov-11-07 06:36 PM |
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You oppose the 14th Amendment giving the right for any citizen to own property? |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 09:15 PM |
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It's the parenthetical part of your post that has the most importance. |
Usrename |
Nov-11-07 09:37 PM |
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14th and 5th, sorry. |
personman |
Nov-12-07 09:12 AM |
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Perhaps I've missed this |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-12-07 01:49 AM |
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Amen |
L0oniX |
Nov-11-07 05:20 PM |
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Excellent post. I think that would be a great bumper sticker: Pro Constitution. |
helderheid |
Nov-11-07 09:04 PM |
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I know a LOT of right-wingers you could sell that one too, as well. n/t |
boloboffin |
Nov-12-07 01:50 AM |
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so do I! |
helderheid |
Nov-12-07 02:02 PM |
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Thank you |
D23MIURG23 |
Nov-11-07 09:39 PM |
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Luckily, that choice isn't in question here. |
boloboffin |
Nov-11-07 10:03 PM |
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Excellent OP Post. It's obvious the DLC |
kelligesq |
Nov-11-07 10:06 PM |
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Good Point ... BUT |
Mark D. |
Nov-12-07 12:49 AM |
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Yep me too |
upi402 |
Nov-12-07 01:45 AM |
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k+r |
Progs Rock |
Nov-12-07 03:05 AM |
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that's why i'm running against bean |
tofubo |
Nov-12-07 06:00 AM |
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Welcome to the fold. |
Le Taz Hot |
Nov-12-07 06:06 AM |
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Is this another one of those threads... |
regnaD kciN |
Nov-12-07 06:23 AM |
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The Democrats are our only shot. If we don't support them, both country & Constitution are screwed. |
Perry Logan |
Nov-12-07 06:26 AM |
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You might want to remember this as well... |
Oldenuff |
Nov-12-07 07:50 AM |
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Indeed |
burythehatchet |
Nov-12-07 08:01 AM |
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send this to the Congress! |
Tesla |
Nov-12-07 08:12 AM |
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I'll vote for the most liberal party that I feel can win. |
CT_Progressive |
Nov-12-07 09:40 AM |
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The Constitution TRANSCENDS Politics and Political Parties. |
The Stranger |
Nov-12-07 09:42 AM |
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Me too. |
mmonk |
Nov-12-07 09:44 AM |
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Lest We Forget |
Genki |
Nov-12-07 09:51 AM |
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After the 2006 Election and Pelosi Claimed "Impeachment is off the Table" |
fascisthunter |
Nov-12-07 09:56 AM |
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But why didn't the founders see it that way? |
jpgray |
Nov-12-07 01:26 PM |
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I don't think anyone wants to impeach Bush for signing any act of Congress. |
Usrename |
Nov-13-07 12:18 AM |
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