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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:20 PM
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60. Any report that she was other than the model passenger on her flight?
I haven't read it. Bombed or not, had she been allowed on the connecting flight there may have been no recognition by anyone around her that the woman was in distress or even "bombed" to the point where she stood out. I've had co-workers who were active alcoholics and few had a clue that these colleagues were intoxicated at work until they went to rehab or AA. Addicts can be quite good at presenting a face of control.

Also, where was it reported that she was talked into going back to rehab, rather than deciding on her own that she needed to go? It was reported that she had been to the Tucson center before and perhaps that comfort level is why she chose the long trip rather than take the chance on a closer program. As for one last drunken binge, she wouldn't be the first client to show up inebriated. It's par for the course.

As for her husband not knowing that she could make it sober, I'd wager that he assumed she'd make it alive as long as she was on a plane or escorted. There was a press report early on that a family friend was lined up to meet her in PHX to make sure she had support before getting on the connecting flight so it's not as if he washed his hands of her and hoped for the best.
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  -Autopsy: Gotbaum Airport Death an accident delaware97  Nov-09-07 09:20 PM   #0 
  - They got away with murder.  bluerum   Nov-09-07 09:21 PM   #1 
  - It's not over. We haven't heard from the family's pathologist yet.  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 09:32 PM   #5 
  - now we have  onenote   Nov-12-07 09:45 PM   #64 
  - is that your expert opinion or just your unsubstantiated speculation?  onenote   Nov-11-07 06:37 AM   #58 
     - You can't see me but I am flipping you off,,,  bluerum   Nov-11-07 10:14 AM   #59 
  - Did they ignore her screams for help?  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 09:25 PM   #2 
  - What is the matter with you people????? Here we go again!!!  Bobbieo   Nov-09-07 09:49 PM   #8 
     - She was drunk and mentally out of control. But physically, she was in THEIR control.  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 10:07 PM   #9 
     - Who "Screams for Help" While Being Strangled?  jberryhill   Nov-09-07 10:12 PM   #12 
        - She could have screamed for help just prior to strangling,  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 10:18 PM   #15 
        - Except the ME would be able to distinguish the difference...  jberryhill   Nov-09-07 11:47 PM   #18 
        - everything explained in detail here...  TorchTheWitch   Nov-10-07 04:18 AM   #30 
     - Once in police custody, she became the police's RESPONSIBILTY.  dicksteele   Nov-09-07 10:08 PM   #10 
     - Exactly - if they had checked on her this would not have happened  treestar   Nov-10-07 04:37 PM   #47 
     - Yeah, everything that you said.  StarryNite   Nov-10-07 12:57 AM   #25 
     - Wrong. "Bottom line" is: once the cuffs went on, she was in control: POLICE control.  dicksteele   Nov-10-07 03:36 AM   #29 
        - It never should have gotten to that point.  StarryNite   Nov-10-07 01:26 PM   #35 
           - Your point is entirely irrelevant, because it DID get to that point.  dicksteele   Nov-11-07 02:01 AM   #55 
     - Excellent post  piesRsquare   Nov-10-07 04:24 AM   #31 
     - I agree with you  Skittles   Nov-11-07 02:16 AM   #56 
  - Two words: Cover. Up.  brokensymmetry   Nov-09-07 09:25 PM   #3 
  - The idea that anyone could deliberately kill themselves in this matter  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 09:31 PM   #4 
     - it wasnt ruled a suicide...nt  delaware97   Nov-09-07 09:34 PM   #6 
     - Who said it was deliberate?  jberryhill   Nov-09-07 10:13 PM   #13 
        - Many people have suggested that it was suicide, and suicide is deliberate. n/t  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 10:19 PM   #16 
           - Yes - before he knew what had happened, her husband thought she might...  jberryhill   Nov-09-07 11:59 PM   #21 
           - Well, maybe that's because her husband said she was suicidal.  lizzy   Nov-10-07 03:41 PM   #41 
  - CNN reported today she missed her flight  leftchick   Nov-09-07 09:35 PM   #7 
  - There is a dispute about that. She arrived at the gate in what should have  pnwmom   Nov-09-07 10:11 PM   #11 
     - That flight was at 1:13, not at 1:30 as originally reported.  lizzy   Nov-10-07 05:04 PM   #48 
  - Was she double-jointed? How did she supposedly get the handcuffs behind her...  Eric J in MN   Nov-09-07 10:14 PM   #14 
  - Over her neck?  jberryhill   Nov-10-07 12:06 AM   #22 
     - Thanks. But you do you understand how she supposedly strangled herself after...  Eric J in MN   Nov-10-07 12:39 AM   #24 
        - Dunno.. I'd like to see a demo  jberryhill   Nov-11-07 12:34 PM   #61 
  - Wasn't there a witness who said she looked unconscious (or dead) after they knelt on her back?  soothsayer   Nov-09-07 10:45 PM   #17 
  - And it's only beginning. Beware Citizens! Our AG condones "Drowning Torture"  ShortnFiery   Nov-09-07 11:58 PM   #20 
  - yeah sure whatever!!  scarface2004   Nov-09-07 11:47 PM   #19 
  - I hope the ME is correct and the evidence is clear to all who followup.  aikoaiko   Nov-10-07 12:14 AM   #23 
  - I can't understand why her husband  StarryNite   Nov-10-07 01:01 AM   #26 
     - Yes, she should have been escorted, but here is why I think she wasn't  aikoaiko   Nov-10-07 09:40 AM   #34 
  - I'm not one to rush to judgment..  Indi Guy   Nov-10-07 01:02 AM   #27 
  - BAC of .24% AND prescription drugs in her system?  mvccd1000   Nov-10-07 03:07 AM   #28 
  - Agreed. Why wasn't anyone in her family accompanying her?  thecatburgler   Nov-10-07 01:44 PM   #36 
  - Exactly!  StarryNite   Nov-10-07 02:25 PM   #37 
  - Wow. With that alcohol level, she was close to getting to a point  lizzy   Nov-10-07 03:38 PM   #40 
     - Well... that's why she was going to rehab /nt  jberryhill   Nov-11-07 12:36 PM   #62 
  - Suicide. Case closed.  dailykoff   Nov-10-07 04:26 AM   #32 
  - The bottom line is that because of her crazed condition,  Vinca   Nov-10-07 07:16 AM   #33 
  - They had an angry drunk on their hands  Mutineer   Nov-10-07 02:40 PM   #38 
     - No, actually DU has at least one former cop who has dealt  Vinca   Nov-10-07 03:25 PM   #39 
        - But had her husband  StarryNite   Nov-10-07 03:46 PM   #42 
           - Who is to say....  TAZller   Nov-10-07 04:32 PM   #43 
           - The husband shares some guilt, to be sure, but the reason the woman  Vinca   Nov-10-07 04:33 PM   #44 
           - She WAS watched properly  TorchTheWitch   Nov-11-07 01:30 AM   #51 
              - I won't even bother to read this entire post.  Vinca   Nov-11-07 06:30 AM   #57 
                 - For crying out loud,  StarryNite   Nov-11-07 03:06 PM   #63 
           - His wife was an adult and unless her spouse had a court-ordered guardianship,  Gormy Cuss   Nov-10-07 04:33 PM   #45 
              - The whole thing failed before  StarryNite   Nov-11-07 01:35 AM   #52 
              - That's not all he could do  TorchTheWitch   Nov-11-07 01:58 AM   #54 
                 - Any report that she was other than the model passenger on her flight?  Gormy Cuss   Nov-11-07 12:20 PM   #60 
  - God, how sad  treestar   Nov-10-07 04:34 PM   #46 
     - HTW were they supposed to let her on the plane if she was  lizzy   Nov-10-07 05:05 PM   #49 
     - Well, the airlines are supposed to just  tammywammy   Nov-10-07 05:08 PM   #50 
     - By law she wasn't allowed on the plane in her condition  TorchTheWitch   Nov-11-07 01:35 AM   #53 

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