Richard Steele
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Sat Nov-10-07 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 29. Wrong. "Bottom line" is: once the cuffs went on, she was in control: POLICE control. |
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Police have a legal (and moral) responsibility to see
to the health and well-being of persons in their custody.
That responsibility demands that they take SPECIAL pains
to look after persons who are behaving irrationally, for
whatever reason.
This is not some loony-liberal bleeding-heart wish, it
is WELL-ESTABLISHED LAW.
And it's something every single "jail employee" deals with
every single day. SUCCESSFULLY, for the most part....to the
extent they TRY to fulfill their legal responsibilities.
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| -Autopsy: Gotbaum Airport Death an accident |
delaware97 |
Nov-09-07 09:20 PM |
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They got away with murder. |
bluerum |
Nov-09-07 09:21 PM |
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It's not over. We haven't heard from the family's pathologist yet. |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 09:32 PM |
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now we have |
onenote |
Nov-12-07 09:45 PM |
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is that your expert opinion or just your unsubstantiated speculation? |
onenote |
Nov-11-07 06:37 AM |
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You can't see me but I am flipping you off,,, |
bluerum |
Nov-11-07 10:14 AM |
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Did they ignore her screams for help? |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 09:25 PM |
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What is the matter with you people????? Here we go again!!! |
Bobbieo |
Nov-09-07 09:49 PM |
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She was drunk and mentally out of control. But physically, she was in THEIR control. |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 10:07 PM |
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Who "Screams for Help" While Being Strangled? |
jberryhill |
Nov-09-07 10:12 PM |
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She could have screamed for help just prior to strangling, |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 10:18 PM |
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Except the ME would be able to distinguish the difference... |
jberryhill |
Nov-09-07 11:47 PM |
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everything explained in detail here... |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-10-07 04:18 AM |
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Once in police custody, she became the police's RESPONSIBILTY. |
dicksteele |
Nov-09-07 10:08 PM |
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Exactly - if they had checked on her this would not have happened |
treestar |
Nov-10-07 04:37 PM |
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Yeah, everything that you said. |
StarryNite |
Nov-10-07 12:57 AM |
#25 |
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Wrong. "Bottom line" is: once the cuffs went on, she was in control: POLICE control. |
dicksteele |
Nov-10-07 03:36 AM |
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It never should have gotten to that point. |
StarryNite |
Nov-10-07 01:26 PM |
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Your point is entirely irrelevant, because it DID get to that point. |
dicksteele |
Nov-11-07 02:01 AM |
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Excellent post |
piesRsquare |
Nov-10-07 04:24 AM |
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I agree with you |
Skittles |
Nov-11-07 02:16 AM |
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Two words: Cover. Up. |
brokensymmetry |
Nov-09-07 09:25 PM |
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The idea that anyone could deliberately kill themselves in this matter |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 09:31 PM |
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it wasnt ruled a suicide...nt |
delaware97 |
Nov-09-07 09:34 PM |
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Who said it was deliberate? |
jberryhill |
Nov-09-07 10:13 PM |
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Many people have suggested that it was suicide, and suicide is deliberate. n/t |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 10:19 PM |
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Yes - before he knew what had happened, her husband thought she might... |
jberryhill |
Nov-09-07 11:59 PM |
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Well, maybe that's because her husband said she was suicidal. |
lizzy |
Nov-10-07 03:41 PM |
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CNN reported today she missed her flight |
leftchick |
Nov-09-07 09:35 PM |
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There is a dispute about that. She arrived at the gate in what should have |
pnwmom |
Nov-09-07 10:11 PM |
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That flight was at 1:13, not at 1:30 as originally reported. |
lizzy |
Nov-10-07 05:04 PM |
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Was she double-jointed? How did she supposedly get the handcuffs behind her... |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-09-07 10:14 PM |
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Over her neck? |
jberryhill |
Nov-10-07 12:06 AM |
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Thanks. But you do you understand how she supposedly strangled herself after... |
Eric J in MN |
Nov-10-07 12:39 AM |
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Dunno.. I'd like to see a demo |
jberryhill |
Nov-11-07 12:34 PM |
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Wasn't there a witness who said she looked unconscious (or dead) after they knelt on her back? |
soothsayer |
Nov-09-07 10:45 PM |
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And it's only beginning. Beware Citizens! Our AG condones "Drowning Torture" |
ShortnFiery |
Nov-09-07 11:58 PM |
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yeah sure whatever!! |
scarface2004 |
Nov-09-07 11:47 PM |
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I hope the ME is correct and the evidence is clear to all who followup. |
aikoaiko |
Nov-10-07 12:14 AM |
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I can't understand why her husband |
StarryNite |
Nov-10-07 01:01 AM |
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Yes, she should have been escorted, but here is why I think she wasn't |
aikoaiko |
Nov-10-07 09:40 AM |
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I'm not one to rush to judgment.. |
Indi Guy |
Nov-10-07 01:02 AM |
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BAC of .24% AND prescription drugs in her system? |
mvccd1000 |
Nov-10-07 03:07 AM |
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Agreed. Why wasn't anyone in her family accompanying her? |
thecatburgler |
Nov-10-07 01:44 PM |
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Exactly! |
StarryNite |
Nov-10-07 02:25 PM |
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Wow. With that alcohol level, she was close to getting to a point |
lizzy |
Nov-10-07 03:38 PM |
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Well... that's why she was going to rehab /nt |
jberryhill |
Nov-11-07 12:36 PM |
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Suicide. Case closed. |
dailykoff |
Nov-10-07 04:26 AM |
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The bottom line is that because of her crazed condition, |
Vinca |
Nov-10-07 07:16 AM |
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They had an angry drunk on their hands |
Mutineer |
Nov-10-07 02:40 PM |
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No, actually DU has at least one former cop who has dealt |
Vinca |
Nov-10-07 03:25 PM |
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But had her husband |
StarryNite |
Nov-10-07 03:46 PM |
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Who is to say.... |
TAZller |
Nov-10-07 04:32 PM |
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The husband shares some guilt, to be sure, but the reason the woman |
Vinca |
Nov-10-07 04:33 PM |
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She WAS watched properly |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-11-07 01:30 AM |
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I won't even bother to read this entire post. |
Vinca |
Nov-11-07 06:30 AM |
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For crying out loud, |
StarryNite |
Nov-11-07 03:06 PM |
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His wife was an adult and unless her spouse had a court-ordered guardianship, |
Gormy Cuss |
Nov-10-07 04:33 PM |
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The whole thing failed before |
StarryNite |
Nov-11-07 01:35 AM |
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That's not all he could do |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-11-07 01:58 AM |
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Any report that she was other than the model passenger on her flight? |
Gormy Cuss |
Nov-11-07 12:20 PM |
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God, how sad |
treestar |
Nov-10-07 04:34 PM |
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HTW were they supposed to let her on the plane if she was |
lizzy |
Nov-10-07 05:05 PM |
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Well, the airlines are supposed to just |
tammywammy |
Nov-10-07 05:08 PM |
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By law she wasn't allowed on the plane in her condition |
TorchTheWitch |
Nov-11-07 01:35 AM |
#53 |
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