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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-04-07 10:54 PM
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52. Oh please. The law of the land, thus far, thanks to Berto, is that it isn't illegal. At least not
yet.


That highest law of the land you cite is NOT definite at all. If it were definite, and established, why, there'd be a law on the books that said "No Waterboarding." But there isn't, because Berto and friends made sure they've got backing for how waterboarding is classified---as "stress and duress" not torture.

But hey, don't let reality or pesky facts get in the way.

If it were illegal right now under US law, we wouldn't be having such a shitfit over the AG nom, now, would we? You don't ask questions of the AG like "Do you think murder is illegal?" because there are LAWS on the books about it. The law prohibiting waterboarding has not been written.

But hey, whatever. The old "Because I SAID so!!" technique, along with extrapolations from generalizations has worked so doggone well with this administration thus far...

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  -General to GA Middle Schoolers-We Need To Waterboard donsu  Nov-04-07 10:58 AM   #0 
  - "Waterboarding? Isn't that what bush and brownie did in NOLA"?  panader0   Nov-04-07 11:03 AM   #1 
  - read the article again. he said that AFTER his speech to the kids.  ellenfl   Nov-04-07 11:05 AM   #2 
  - I noted that too. It was plainly remarks to REPORTERS, not kids.  MADem   Nov-04-07 11:07 AM   #6 
  - Propaganda is a life long process....gotta start with the elementary  snappyturtle   Nov-04-07 11:05 AM   #3 
  - If you read the article, he didn't say that during his address to the children. He said it in  MADem   Nov-04-07 11:12 AM   #8 
     - Then what does this mean:  snappyturtle   Nov-04-07 11:23 AM   #12 
        - What it means is that the Daily Kos poster didn't read the article, either.  MADem   Nov-04-07 01:32 PM   #15 
           - YOU have a bit to learn also.  snappyturtle   Nov-04-07 06:34 PM   #41 
              - I DID. I have been pointing it out to everyone, but OUTRAGE is apparently preferable to actually  MADem   Nov-04-07 07:07 PM   #45 
                 - Did you read my post? I object to be the target of your criticism  snappyturtle   Nov-05-07 08:36 AM   #57 
                    - My corrective post to this thread was the fourth one.  MADem   Nov-05-07 11:26 AM   #60 
  - Didn't Honore make his bones during Katrina? And politics may be in his future????  MADem   Nov-04-07 11:06 AM   #4 
  - Has our cadre of active general officers EVER been this compromised?  sfexpat2000   Nov-04-07 01:47 PM   #21 
     - Honore said the AMERICAN PEOPLE should make the call.  MADem   Nov-04-07 02:04 PM   #22 
        - In sayinig that the "American people" should make the call  sfexpat2000   Nov-04-07 02:28 PM   #23 
           - Of COURSE he is--and ya know why? Because he isn't up to speed on the subject matter.  MADem   Nov-04-07 04:34 PM   #29 
  - And if those impressionable kids try  MikeNearMcChord   Nov-04-07 11:07 AM   #5 
  - He didn't talk about waterboarding to kids, though. That premise is false. Read the AJC piece NT  MADem   Nov-04-07 11:09 AM   #7 
     - I wonder how many more times you will have to say that. n/t  BronxBoy   Nov-04-07 11:15 AM   #9 
        - As many times as are necessary to stop a little lie from becoming a Big Lie.  MADem   Nov-04-07 01:34 PM   #16 
           - Umm No  BronxBoy   Nov-04-07 10:26 PM   #50 
              - Cool.  MADem   Nov-04-07 11:07 PM   #55 
  - So does General Honore cede the fact that our captured soldiers will be  mediaman007   Nov-04-07 11:21 AM   #10 
  - I would suggest that you read the AJC article, not some Kos poster's lousy interpretation of it.  MADem   Nov-04-07 01:35 PM   #18 
  - Wow, Gen. Honore sure is tough  gratuitous   Nov-04-07 11:22 AM   #11 
  - He starts out by saying he doesn't know much about it. And he also says  MADem   Nov-04-07 01:42 PM   #20 
     - Thanks for amplifying his remarks  gratuitous   Nov-04-07 03:34 PM   #25 
        - Yeah, how dare he suggest that the American People make decisions on the laws that govern them!!  MADem   Nov-04-07 04:37 PM   #30 
           - No, he's tripping on fantasy land  gratuitous   Nov-04-07 05:37 PM   #37 
              - The choice you offer is a false one.  MADem   Nov-04-07 05:47 PM   #38 
                 - No, the choice General Honore is presenting is the false one  gratuitous   Nov-04-07 10:01 PM   #49 
                    - Oh please. The law of the land, thus far, thanks to Berto, is that it isn't illegal. At least not  MADem   Nov-04-07 10:54 PM   #52 
  - sounds like Honore is saying it's okay to torture without intent to kill n/t  NI4NI   Nov-04-07 11:23 AM   #13 
  - so, kids, make sure you walk on the right side of the hallway. otherwise,  ulysses   Nov-04-07 11:43 AM   #14 
  - So... Somebody Managed To Bring In An Insane 3 Star General For Show-And-Tell ???  WillyT   Nov-04-07 01:35 PM   #17 
  - Just wait until some kid dies  malaise   Nov-04-07 01:37 PM   #19 
  - Unless this was a military academy, I object to the WHOLE thing  SoCalDem   Nov-04-07 02:39 PM   #24 
  - Maybe because this was the guy that got food, water, and shitters to the Superdome during Katrina?  MADem   Nov-04-07 04:41 PM   #33 
  - Piss poor role model for the military  Solly Mack   Nov-04-07 03:44 PM   #26 
  - "I don't know much about it..." The Good German defense, "I know nothing"  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-04-07 03:47 PM   #27 
  - Yeah, he should have lied and pretended he was an expert.  MADem   Nov-04-07 04:39 PM   #31 
     - Gee, I'm not an "expert" and can tell that waterboarding is torure.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Nov-04-07 04:59 PM   #34 
        - Well, here's the thing, though.  MADem   Nov-04-07 05:32 PM   #36 
           - You are wrong, it IS the law of the land....  Spazito   Nov-04-07 06:10 PM   #39 
              - No it isn't. Why do you offer me a letter expressing an OPINION as "proof??"  MADem   Nov-04-07 06:29 PM   #40 
                 - US Title 18 says it's the LAW  Spazito   Nov-04-07 06:37 PM   #42 
                    - Show me where it says WATERBOARDING IS AGAINST THE LAW.  MADem   Nov-04-07 07:01 PM   #44 
                       - LOL, because these stateless insurgents aren't party to Geneva in NO way  Spazito   Nov-04-07 07:58 PM   #47 
                          - OH, fachrissake. Do you really think MORE is BETTER?  MADem   Nov-04-07 11:06 PM   #54 
                             - LOL, you can't accept facts and continue to confuse them with  Spazito   Nov-05-07 09:47 AM   #58 
                                - LOL yourself. I tell you what IS, you respond with your fantasy about how you think life SHOULD be.  MADem   Nov-05-07 11:22 AM   #59 
  - OMG! In a middle school!!??  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 03:49 PM   #28 
  - No. Read the AJC article. The Daily Kos poster didn't read for comprehension. NT  MADem   Nov-04-07 04:40 PM   #32 
     - Okay show me where he didn't say this to middle schoolers  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 06:49 PM   #43 
        - He said AFTER Friday morning's speech.  MADem   Nov-04-07 07:13 PM   #46 
           - Yes show me the context where it says no students were present  proud2Blib   Nov-04-07 08:47 PM   #48 
              - Show me the context where they were. NT  MADem   Nov-04-07 10:47 PM   #51 
                 - It says 'after the speech'  proud2Blib   Nov-05-07 06:22 AM   #56 
                    - Oh yeah....the average school assembly consists of nine fucking hundred  MADem   Nov-05-07 11:44 AM   #62 
                       - A good human being, a thoughtful man  proud2Blib   Nov-05-07 12:07 PM   #63 
                          - Yeah, that's right--he's a BOOGEYMAN!!!!  MADem   Nov-05-07 12:36 PM   #64 
  - Consistent with school as punishment.  SimpleTrend   Nov-04-07 05:03 PM   #35 
  - Dunno why this reminds me of Dan Ackroyd pushing the toy "Bag O' Glass."  A-Schwarzenegger   Nov-04-07 11:00 PM   #53 
  - "USA Torture Day" A MASS waterboarding protest organized nationally for the Mukasey vote? ??  L. Coyote   Nov-05-07 11:33 AM   #61 
 

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