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129. Don't blame cotton for the way modern agriculture treats it
Cotton grows where nothing else will grow. Cotton is blamed for ruining soil, but it is only because it is grown on soil that nothing else will grow on. Cotton does not need fertilizers, herbicides or insecticides, just like hemp does not need them. But in modern times they both get them. Look and see how much of that hemp is organic. Usually they use fertilizers and herbicides in hemp production. Just because crops do not need them, that does not mean they are not getting them.

Cotton does not use much water compared to other irrigated crops; however for taxpayers to provide subsidized water for a crop of such low value per acre is ridiculous. For example the federal government supplies water in the San Joaquin Valley of California for a cost of about $75/acre foot to the taxpayer and $30 for the farmer. It takes 3 acre feet per acre to grow the cotton. The profit on the cotton may be $100/acre at the most. So, why are taxpayers giving these farmers $225/acre so they can make a profit of $100? Oranges or vegetables may yield profits of $500-$1000/acre. This is perhaps justifiable. Why in the world.....? My theory is that the ag chem industry is funded by the farm programs' crop subsidies. If the cotton is not growing they don't make all these profits on chemicals. The total amount of money given to farmers in the farm bill for cotton turns out to be the exact total of the cost of ag chemicals on cotton. No cheap water, no cheap crop that is subsidized enough to buy lots of chemicals. It is not the cotton plant that needs it, it is the bottom line of the ag chemical companies.

There are plenty of cotton growing regions that are not irrigated as they have sufficient summer rains to produce a crop of cotton.

The cotton fiber is very fine and it's uses are ideal for temporary items like clothing worn next to the skin that is meant to last for ten years or less. Flax and hemp are bast fibers whose preparations are costly but absolutely worth it for producing textiles that will last for hundreds of years. Flax and hemp are very similar, however hemp can be coarser.

One fiber is not better than another. Each has it's own uses. All crops have been spoiled by the ag chem industry. Even hemp. It may have less residue of insecticides, but fertilizers and herbicides are not good for the environment either.

Lets grow everything in a sustainable way and use every fiber to it's best advantage.

Thanks for the photos of the gowns that allow us appreciate the vast textile history we all share.
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  -I recently came across some Handspun Antique Hemp Nightgowns - I now know why Pot is illegal debbierlus  Oct-27-07 02:31 PM   #0 
  - Very interesting  tmfun   Oct-27-07 02:34 PM   #1 
  - I don't have any photos right now, but I will get on it  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 02:36 PM   #4 
  - Space material!  comtec   Oct-29-07 07:02 AM   #188 
  - It's a mystery why growing industrial hemp is banned in this country.  Vinca   Oct-27-07 02:35 PM   #2 
  - They don't care about people getting high, anyway  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 02:38 PM   #7 
  - So being it's made from an illegal plant can they arrest you and  FREEWILL56   Oct-27-07 06:16 PM   #61 
     - Thankfully, no.  crikkett   Oct-27-07 07:07 PM   #81 
     - NO - hemp made products are allowed in the US...  axollot   Oct-27-07 11:06 PM   #118 
     - I have a couple of shirts made from hemp.  IMModerate   Oct-28-07 08:43 AM   #142 
  - It's because you cannot patent a plant  Greeby   Oct-27-07 02:44 PM   #12 
  - Monsanto has a lot of grains patented now.  havocmom   Oct-27-07 05:17 PM   #48 
     - That in and of itself is a crime against humanity, how can anyone be allowed to patent a seed?  whistle   Oct-28-07 07:12 AM   #136 
     - Agribusiness story ifrom Iraq ...  flashl   Oct-28-07 09:18 AM   #148 
  - it's not a mystery - Ford & the new oil barons stopped it  donsu   Oct-28-07 09:35 AM   #151 
     - Also, Hearst had something to do with it!  Duval   Oct-28-07 10:27 AM   #156 
        - yes, true  donsu   Oct-28-07 11:26 AM   #160 
  - Hemp hemp hooray!!!  citizen_jane   Oct-27-07 02:36 PM   #3 
  - Give me a HIGH 5.  FREEWILL56   Oct-27-07 06:11 PM   #58 
  - I've always pictured the canvass- like hemp fabrics I've seen  hlthe2b   Oct-27-07 02:36 PM   #5 
  - They aren't quite as soft as cotton, but they aren't stiff at all  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 02:42 PM   #11 
  - cool... I'll look for it  hlthe2b   Oct-27-07 02:46 PM   #13 
  - Fabric softness of plant fibers  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 10:08 AM   #153 
     - Welcome to DU!  eppur_se_muova   Oct-28-07 02:59 PM   #176 
  - Hemp fabrics are wonderful.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 02:56 PM   #19 
     - Thanks for the links, silverweb, and your comments.  Judi Lynn   Oct-27-07 04:41 PM   #39 
     - You're welcome!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 07:03 PM   #76 
     - Thanks for those links!  kimmylavin   Oct-27-07 04:44 PM   #42 
     - You're very welcome!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 07:04 PM   #78 
     - Thanks for the links!!!!  wovenpaint   Oct-27-07 07:39 PM   #85 
     - You're most welcome.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 09:34 PM   #105 
     - thanks  shanti   Oct-27-07 11:12 PM   #120 
     - You sure are lucky.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 11:47 PM   #127 
     - Thanks for these links  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 10:20 AM   #155 
  - Are they haunted?  smoogatz   Oct-27-07 02:37 PM   #6 
  - I don't know, & living in a 140 year old house across from a cemetary...  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 02:39 PM   #8 
     - Wow.  smoogatz   Oct-27-07 02:40 PM   #10 
     - As an old house nut...  hootinholler   Oct-27-07 03:05 PM   #22 
        - Old houses  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 10:16 AM   #154 
  - that's exactly why they made it illegal - Dupont and Dow can hold much of the blame  mark414   Oct-27-07 02:40 PM   #9 
  - A really good history of that  dougolat   Oct-28-07 09:57 PM   #181 
  - Kicked and Recomended. I was just saying that in this thread.  Bonobo   Oct-27-07 02:47 PM   #14 
  - I hope you are  Mojorabbit   Oct-27-07 02:48 PM   #15 
  - We need to outlaw ALL campaign contributions and go to sensible public financing NOW. It'll end all  williesgirl   Oct-27-07 02:50 PM   #16 
  - Exactly right. K&R.  dickbearton   Oct-27-07 05:20 PM   #49 
  - You don't mean the free market do you?  tmfun   Oct-27-07 10:03 PM   #109 
  - We musn't forget the timber industry - they don't like hemp  spacelady   Oct-27-07 02:54 PM   #17 
  - Outlawing hemp is un-American  IDemo   Oct-27-07 02:56 PM   #18 
  - The Declaration of Independence was printed on hemp paper.  hobbit709   Oct-27-07 06:25 PM   #64 
  - I have a bunch of hemp shirts  sailor65   Oct-27-07 02:58 PM   #20 
  - Where do you get them?  silverweb   Oct-27-07 03:16 PM   #24 
     - Lately,  sailor65   Oct-27-07 04:04 PM   #34 
     - Fantastic!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 07:05 PM   #79 
        - I hope yours still has some  sailor65   Oct-27-07 09:13 PM   #101 
           - It'll be okay.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 09:23 PM   #103 
     - The operative words being "reasonably priced".  impeachdubya   Oct-27-07 04:41 PM   #38 
        - Thanks for the link!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 07:13 PM   #82 
  - Okay, everyone, I put up the images in the original post for those who were curious to see  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 03:03 PM   #21 
  - K&R One the most insightful posts I've ever read on DU.  Rosemary2205   Oct-27-07 03:13 PM   #23 
  - I am with you  The Straight Story   Oct-27-07 03:16 PM   #25 
  - That's very cool - thanks for the pics & info!  InvisibleTouch   Oct-27-07 03:17 PM   #26 
  - So, since hemp clothes last forever,this could threaten the garment industry?  rabies1   Oct-28-07 09:08 AM   #147 
     - Why, yes...  gtar100   Oct-28-07 01:12 PM   #173 
  - Great find!  SecularMotion   Oct-27-07 03:20 PM   #27 
  - Bingo!  MN Against Bush   Oct-27-07 03:24 PM   #28 
  - They are great!  Kajsa   Oct-27-07 03:25 PM   #29 
  - Those are beautiful. I've tried spinning hemp  Warpy   Oct-27-07 03:25 PM   #30 
  - Exactly!  NoGodsNoMasters   Oct-28-07 12:19 AM   #130 
  - Two technological developments sealed hemp's fate  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 12:25 PM   #167 
  - Great Post! FYI, Hemp WAS Originally Made Illegal Because of the WOOD PULP INDUSTRY  Beetwasher   Oct-27-07 03:28 PM   #31 
  - And the reason they said "marijuana" was to pull on racism  Chulanowa   Oct-27-07 07:40 PM   #86 
  - Hemp and Marijuana are NOT the same thing:  Lorien   Oct-27-07 07:55 PM   #88 
  - But They Were BOTH Made Illegal  Beetwasher   Oct-27-07 08:42 PM   #95 
     - Yes, I am quite aware of that  Lorien   Oct-27-07 09:07 PM   #98 
        - Sure I Did  Beetwasher   Oct-27-07 09:10 PM   #100 
  - William Randolph Hearst owned a lot of timber as well as his papers that  diane in sf   Oct-27-07 07:55 PM   #89 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Oct-27-07 03:34 PM   #32 
  - During WWII here  catmandu57   Oct-27-07 04:02 PM   #33 
     - same here where i live  madrchsod   Oct-27-07 05:02 PM   #45 
        - Thats it  catmandu57   Oct-28-07 10:33 AM   #157 
  - The first diesel engine was designed to run on hemp oil  downindixie   Oct-27-07 04:30 PM   #35 
  - Actually, I believe it was peanut oil ... but it was sure as hell BIOdiesel!  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 09:48 PM   #106 
  - That's called "no repeat business" . . . on ALL fronts.  HughBeaumont   Oct-27-07 04:32 PM   #36 
  - Well, we could always blow things up when big bidness needs an influx  bluerum   Oct-27-07 05:09 PM   #47 
  - That's the Neo-Con Creed:  HughBeaumont   Oct-27-07 07:58 PM   #90 
  - It's "The Man in the White Suit" ... for REAL!  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 10:02 PM   #108 
  - I've got some hemp shirts. They last FOREVER.  impeachdubya   Oct-27-07 04:39 PM   #37 
  - Sadly, it won't be.  HughBeaumont   Oct-27-07 04:45 PM   #43 
  - Great post!  Window   Oct-27-07 04:41 PM   #40 
  - I make soap with hemp oil...  Neecy   Oct-27-07 04:42 PM   #41 
  - Ooh, I'll bet that's great soap.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 06:50 PM   #71 
  - I make lotions with it!  Psst_Im_Not_Here   Oct-27-07 09:59 PM   #107 
  - So post a link! I think you could sell some here  tmfun   Oct-27-07 10:20 PM   #112 
     - okay...  Neecy   Oct-27-07 11:39 PM   #126 
  - Wow.  kimmylavin   Oct-27-07 04:49 PM   #44 
  - It is so incredible...of course, we must give hats off to the ladies  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 05:03 PM   #46 
     - Chances are, some men were involved.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 06:51 PM   #72 
  - Textiles, cloth, four times as much paper per acre, fuel oil, food source (seeds)...  Zhade   Oct-27-07 05:21 PM   #50 
  - The industries that work  Froward69   Oct-27-07 05:22 PM   #51 
  - Prison Industrial Complex.  tekisui   Oct-28-07 11:24 AM   #159 
  - Beautiful!  piesRsquare   Oct-27-07 05:25 PM   #52 
  - I don't believe that.  hfojvt   Oct-27-07 05:26 PM   #53 
  - "we mostly buy clothing to get the latest style, to get brighter colors"  Johnny Noshoes   Oct-28-07 07:51 AM   #138 
  - Hemp linen is great at shedding stains and dirt.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 08:56 AM   #145 
  - Another source of Hemp fabric:  formercia   Oct-27-07 05:35 PM   #54 
  - Don't forget about paper.  Bright Eyes   Oct-27-07 05:35 PM   #55 
  - Randolph Hurst owned a paper mill and forestland. Hemp was a threat  alfredo   Oct-27-07 06:01 PM   #57 
  - Yep... the Constitution was written on Hemp paper.  Blue Belle   Oct-27-07 08:27 PM   #91 
     - So, instead of legalizing hemp we'll chop down all our forests.  CrispyQGirl   Oct-28-07 11:54 AM   #164 
        - pretty much....  Blue Belle   Oct-28-07 12:12 PM   #165 
  - Thanks  jimnkara   Oct-27-07 05:44 PM   #56 
  - Big Welcome to you, jimnkara! With the body of evidence and  spacelady   Oct-27-07 06:12 PM   #59 
     - Thank you  jimnkara   Oct-27-07 06:15 PM   #60 
        - I'm relatively new, too  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 12:32 PM   #169 
  - With all due respect  Tab   Oct-27-07 06:18 PM   #62 
  - Respectfully, it isn't the religions fundies...  SteveM   Oct-27-07 06:45 PM   #68 
     - They fear Pot more than the harder drugs because, though it isn't  patrice   Oct-28-07 12:39 AM   #132 
        - I bet if we told them  Tab   Oct-28-07 12:35 PM   #170 
           - I'll bet you're right about that!!  patrice   Oct-28-07 12:44 PM   #171 
  - Hemp versus cotton  Bennyboy   Oct-27-07 06:20 PM   #63 
  - What about water? Cotton is one of the world's biggest consumers of water.  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 09:17 PM   #102 
  - gotta love the cotton lobby then.  pansypoo53219   Oct-27-07 10:27 PM   #113 
     - HEMP can save the world!  Bennyboy   Oct-27-07 10:39 PM   #114 
        - I would like to get hold of that 1948 PM article ...  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 11:02 PM   #116 
           - Popular Mechanics article 1938  Bennyboy   Oct-28-07 07:58 AM   #140 
              - Thankee kindly! nt  eppur_se_muova   Oct-28-07 02:55 PM   #175 
  - Don't blame cotton for the way modern agriculture treats it  Tumbulu   Oct-28-07 12:19 AM   #129 
     - So close and yet so far.  TheMadMonk   Oct-28-07 05:11 AM   #133 
        - Not quite.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 08:52 AM   #144 
  - Kicked and Recommended!! n/t  StephenB48   Oct-27-07 06:35 PM   #65 
  - Question on the stitching.  Opposite Reaction   Oct-27-07 06:37 PM   #66 
  - Not from that time period as far as I know from my research.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 06:53 PM   #73 
  - That's not "too uniform", it was just stitched by someone with good eyesight...  dicksteele   Oct-27-07 09:26 PM   #104 
     - Amazing. I can't imagine doing that by hand!  Opposite Reaction   Oct-27-07 10:15 PM   #111 
  - It looks a bit like linen....  femrap   Oct-27-07 06:37 PM   #67 
  - Flax and hemp can be very hard to tell apart.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 06:55 PM   #74 
     - Isn't Canada now allowed to grow  femrap   Oct-28-07 07:44 PM   #177 
        - They do. The hemp/wool blend yarn I like is Canadian.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 09:08 PM   #179 
  - Hm. My education never ends. This was concept of a hemp dress:  Buzz Clik   Oct-27-07 06:46 PM   #69 
  - There's a reason why it was the first handspun fiber.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 06:48 PM   #70 
  - And from what I've read, one of the largest sources of pollution immediately  defendandprotect   Oct-27-07 11:31 PM   #125 
     - Not true. They're still cleaning up the mess from dyes.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 08:42 AM   #141 
  - That is fascinating!!  Sparkly   Oct-27-07 06:56 PM   #75 
  - Hemp For Victory!  gulfcoastliberal   Oct-27-07 07:04 PM   #77 
  - Great find.....  Bennyboy   Oct-28-07 07:54 AM   #139 
  - I eat hemp seeds everyday from the healthfood store.  rainy   Oct-27-07 07:05 PM   #80 
  - Why can't you grow hemp from these hemp seeds? Are they cooked? nt  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 10:04 PM   #110 
     - Not cooked.  Greyskye   Oct-28-07 12:02 AM   #128 
        - hey, I wonder if that's true. The package says raw.  rainy   Oct-28-07 07:36 AM   #137 
           - Why is it they are afraid of the raw almonds? Too good as a cancer  glowing   Oct-28-07 09:34 AM   #150 
              - Here's the story. Raw almonds caused some problems for big corporate  rainy   Oct-28-07 11:26 AM   #161 
  - Wow. That's incredible.  Katherine Brengle   Oct-27-07 07:20 PM   #83 
  - Yep-thank you DuPont et al  wovenpaint   Oct-27-07 07:29 PM   #84 
  - good info here:  jhain   Oct-28-07 07:07 AM   #134 
  - hemp oil could also be used as an alternative fuel....many reasons to suppress this plant  spanone   Oct-27-07 07:42 PM   #87 
  - Thank you and share your story here also please  SHRED   Oct-27-07 08:29 PM   #92 
  - Good post  Oldenuff   Oct-27-07 08:34 PM   #93 
  - Yes. !!!!!!  troubleinwinter   Oct-27-07 08:38 PM   #94 
  - Industrial grown hemp is the enemy of "pot"  SHRED   Oct-27-07 08:50 PM   #96 
  - There's so much to learn about this almost perfect product  Catchawave   Oct-27-07 09:00 PM   #97 
  - Excellent point - that's why good smoking weed cannot be grown  spacelady   Oct-27-07 11:19 PM   #122 
  - absolutely. The plant you want for industial use  Capn Sunshine   Oct-27-07 11:30 PM   #124 
  - Wow. This has been a very educational "thread". Ha! Pun intended!  emmadoggy   Oct-27-07 09:10 PM   #99 
  - While the fabric may not change, the styles do.  Miss Chybil   Oct-27-07 10:42 PM   #115 
  - It's always been about the invention of the cotton gin!  axollot   Oct-27-07 11:05 PM   #117 
  - Can Hemp Impeach the bushies?  sellitman   Oct-27-07 11:11 PM   #119 
  - It's also good for the ozone layer --- !!! We can't have rayon either -- !!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-27-07 11:14 PM   #121 
  - Amazing!  cat_girl25   Oct-27-07 11:22 PM   #123 
  - If you like handspun antique hemp nightgowns you'll love  tuckessee   Oct-28-07 12:26 AM   #131 
  - That is amazing? I wonder if the cotton industry had anything to do  whistle   Oct-28-07 07:08 AM   #135 
  - It wasn't the cotton industry.  troubleinwinter   Oct-28-07 08:44 AM   #143 
     - Very interesting. I hadn't heard that important bit of history. This should be undone.  Nothing Without Hope   Oct-28-07 08:09 PM   #178 
  - that is beautiful!  JitterbugPerfume   Oct-28-07 08:57 AM   #146 
  - It's one of the many wonderful things 'they' have stolen from us....  NotGivingUp   Oct-28-07 09:23 AM   #149 
  - I've worn hemp jeans for years..they "breathe"..not hot in summer  Swagman   Oct-28-07 09:42 AM   #152 
  - I nominate this my favorite Post of the Year  Caretha   Oct-28-07 10:37 AM   #158 
  - I'll second that!  stubtoe   Oct-28-07 11:53 AM   #163 
  - Hey debbierlus, There Is Another Reason As Well...  WillyT   Oct-28-07 11:42 AM   #162 
  - In fact, the cultivars that are used for hemp don't make much if any THC  Nothing Without Hope   Oct-28-07 12:25 PM   #166 
  - It was once illegal not to grow hemp  IDemo   Oct-28-07 12:30 PM   #168 
  - I'm quite awe struck.  Gregorian   Oct-28-07 12:49 PM   #172 
  - Thanks for adding the pics  Yael   Oct-28-07 01:27 PM   #174 
  - I'm wearing a hemp baseball hat right now.  Scout1071   Oct-28-07 09:55 PM   #180 
  - The workmanship blows me away, The hours put into this amazing article of  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Oct-28-07 10:32 PM   #182 
  - There was no tv, radio, phone..or even electricity..long winter days  SoCalDem   Oct-29-07 02:50 AM   #185 
  - Beautiful stuff & EXCELLENT post!  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-29-07 12:32 AM   #183 
  - .  Hissyspit   Oct-29-07 01:06 AM   #184 
  - 100,000 Views?  A-Schwarzenegger   Oct-29-07 04:42 AM   #186 
  - This post is on page one of today n/t  kdsusa   Oct-29-07 06:36 AM   #187 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Oct-29-07 09:00 AM   #189 
  - This thread is certainly getting a lot of attention.  lpbk2713   Oct-29-07 11:35 AM   #190 

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