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134. it's not a matter of aboshing corporation so much as breaking their infleunce
and giving people back their rights as workers.
the auto industy is in a shambles as a result of their own stupidity. they stubbornly refuse to go with stricter emissions and efficiency standards, standards upheld by most other countries, including china...you won't sell america cars overseas if you can't meet their standards.
living in the past and shoving your head in the sand will only hasten your destruction.
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  -There is an infection in America, corrupting it to its very core... Elrond Hubbard  Oct-23-07 10:36 PM   #0 
  - I will gladly kick and recommend everything you just said!  ThomCat   Oct-23-07 10:41 PM   #1 
  - thanks man  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:43 PM   #2 
  - rec 5!  JeffR   Oct-23-07 10:44 PM   #3 
  - appreciated.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:49 PM   #9 
  - I would like to say something that most people might find offensive.  Gregorian   Oct-23-07 10:45 PM   #4 
  - excellent post, wish i could recommend it!  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:55 PM   #14 
  - i don't find that offensive at all  kagehime   Oct-23-07 11:04 PM   #19 
  - that's how the get us...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:08 PM   #22 
  - It's going to take change on several facets of the situation.  Gregorian   Oct-23-07 11:56 PM   #43 
     - you added a lot. it was a beautiful post.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 12:13 AM   #45 
     - i appreciate your insight  kagehime   Oct-24-07 12:47 AM   #50 
     - I often think of the younger people in our society.  Gregorian   Oct-24-07 10:09 PM   #163 
     - Its not the people, its the way people live... We need a huge FDR type  glowing   Oct-24-07 07:42 AM   #57 
        - an FDR or a TR...break up the trusts!  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 04:05 PM   #113 
        - We may be able to get an FDR  vssmith   Oct-24-07 05:57 PM   #121 
        - That's true, and also not the complete truth.  Gregorian   Oct-24-07 10:05 PM   #162 
           - Yes and no. If we were at a place in this world where we were at  glowing   Oct-25-07 08:06 AM   #168 
  - great point and post  Locrian   Oct-24-07 08:52 AM   #67 
  - I'm glad you mentioned it.  redqueen   Oct-24-07 09:35 AM   #70 
  - Will you be my neighbor?  Dora   Oct-24-07 09:45 AM   #71 
  - Haha. It's early. I'm still half asleep. And I'm thinking Mister Rogers.  Gregorian   Oct-24-07 11:07 AM   #81 
  - Well said  YankeyMCC   Oct-24-07 10:15 AM   #73 
  - No, you're right, and it's going to go back to the older, more localized way,  codjh9   Oct-24-07 11:13 AM   #82 
  - You're right.  CrispyQGirl   Oct-24-07 03:51 PM   #111 
  - I saw the Affluenza documentary.  Gregorian   Oct-25-07 09:09 PM   #170 
     - Remember in the opening scene of "Gone With the Wind"  CrispyQGirl   Oct-26-07 10:03 AM   #175 
  - Gregorian, I don't find your posting offensive...  dickbearton   Oct-24-07 06:24 PM   #137 
  - I see your angle on this.  Gregorian   Oct-25-07 09:17 PM   #172 
  - Sprawl and cars and churches - are the disease  Sarah Ibarruri   Oct-24-07 07:25 PM   #143 
     - Great thoughts.  Gregorian   Oct-25-07 09:04 PM   #169 
        - Thank you. Our middle class is helpless now.  Sarah Ibarruri   Oct-26-07 06:25 PM   #177 
  - k&r  Swamp Rat   Oct-23-07 10:47 PM   #5 
  - new world order is right..  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:48 PM   #7 
  - Don't for get:  Swamp Rat   Oct-23-07 10:50 PM   #10 
  - that's what Blackwater is for...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:52 PM   #12 
  - small stat  druidity33   Oct-24-07 04:43 PM   #116 
  - How true and this will explain it:  Romis   Oct-24-07 11:30 AM   #86 
  - K&R  dicksteele   Oct-23-07 10:48 PM   #6 
  - thanks and love the sigline  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:20 PM   #27 
     - Yeah, Babin is seldom my favorite political cartoonist, but he really nailed that one, didn't he? nm  dicksteele   Oct-23-07 11:37 PM   #30 
  - very well written  kagehime   Oct-23-07 10:48 PM   #8 
  - of course it is important to address the enablers...bush and cheney...but when they're out of the wh  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:50 PM   #11 
     - i'm not saying it's not important to address the enablers  kagehime   Oct-23-07 11:05 PM   #20 
  - Wow. If there were no mention of progressives, this could apply to  babylonsister   Oct-23-07 10:54 PM   #13 
  - i think there are many among us who don't see the forest for the trees...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 10:57 PM   #15 
     - You are so right! Choose wisely.  mother earth   Oct-24-07 10:00 AM   #72 
  - * and Cheney ARE the Corporations. nt  TheGoldenRule   Oct-23-07 10:59 PM   #16 
  - they are, but like i said before...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:01 PM   #17 
     - That's why we need Gore-a person with Integrity. nt  TheGoldenRule   Oct-23-07 11:32 PM   #29 
     - Gore would be good...or kucinich...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:40 PM   #32 
     - you're right  barbtries   Oct-24-07 08:43 AM   #64 
  - Yanno ..... I own a corporation.  Husb2Sparkly   Oct-23-07 11:01 PM   #18 
  - i'm not saying all corporations, obviously.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:07 PM   #21 
  - Okay, just checkin'  Husb2Sparkly   Oct-23-07 11:10 PM   #23 
     - i hear that. especially on du.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:11 PM   #24 
     - And what about mine?  Sparkly   Oct-24-07 06:30 PM   #139 
        - The only misfortune is that I didn't invest more in it .....  Husb2Sparkly   Oct-24-07 09:17 PM   #160 
  - I totally agree, but I think the OP was making a point about corporatism...  AntiFascist   Oct-24-07 12:30 AM   #49 
  - No, that's unchecked capitalism...n/t  Virginia Dare   Oct-24-07 01:49 PM   #98 
  - This is not about enemies. It is about RIGHTS.  saddlesore   Oct-24-07 08:51 AM   #65 
  - No it doesn't and you know that.  endarkenment   Oct-24-07 12:07 PM   #90 
  - And you know Sprint/Nextel mobile is a Partnership  tammywammy   Oct-24-07 06:11 PM   #127 
  - No president will ever have the power to stand up against all of it. Here's why:  lvx35   Oct-23-07 11:14 PM   #25 
  - what is our alternative, then?  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:16 PM   #26 
     - We have to find a way to stop giving all our money to corporations.  lvx35   Oct-23-07 11:28 PM   #28 
     - it's feasible for those of us who are willing to give up the opium...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:39 PM   #31 
        - That's the tough part, no doubt. But I think there's hope:  lvx35   Oct-23-07 11:47 PM   #39 
           - generally, a period of enlgithement or progress follows a catastrophe or dark age...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:49 PM   #41 
              - I'd say in many ways you're right. I can't wait for the dawn! :) nt  lvx35   Oct-23-07 11:51 PM   #42 
                 - it's likely to get uglier, and darker, before we see any light.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 12:13 AM   #46 
     - evolution is the ONLY solution... and history is proof of that.  QuestionAll   Oct-24-07 11:28 AM   #85 
  - Someday I would like to shake your hand  BushDespiser12   Oct-23-07 11:42 PM   #33 
  - if ever you are in or near nyc, mcsorley's is a great place to gat a drink or twelve.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:43 PM   #35 
     - I have my spot in the OC, no plastic people, just good food and fun.  BushDespiser12   Oct-23-07 11:46 PM   #37 
        - well, circumstances are likely to have me moving to CO at some point...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:48 PM   #40 
  - You found the formula for electing an R President!  L. Coyote   Oct-23-07 11:43 PM   #34 
  - then what's the point?  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:45 PM   #36 
  - Evidence of this?  BushDespiser12   Oct-24-07 12:15 AM   #47 
  - Hi Elrond  The Traveler   Oct-23-07 11:46 PM   #38 
  - hi traveler...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-23-07 11:57 PM   #44 
     - Not frequent  The Traveler   Oct-24-07 07:29 AM   #56 
        - i am regretful that i am having trouble remembering you  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:13 PM   #130 
           - Don't sweat it, friend  The Traveler   Oct-24-07 08:18 PM   #151 
              - i think if i add you to my buddy list...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 08:48 PM   #153 
  - The politicians are the middle-men for the corporations.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Oct-24-07 12:21 AM   #48 
  - it's not conspiracy, it's reality.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:14 PM   #132 
  - Down with corporate whores!!!  hawkowl88   Oct-24-07 12:58 AM   #51 
  - a kick as i go to bed...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 01:02 AM   #52 
  - terrific  barbtries   Oct-24-07 05:52 AM   #53 
  - thank you  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:08 AM   #54 
  - A president dedicated to fighting the oligarchy is a dead man. Unless  conspirator   Oct-24-07 07:17 AM   #55 
  - "It's the money, stupid."  Orsino   Oct-24-07 07:49 AM   #58 
  - MRSA II  ananda   Oct-24-07 07:59 AM   #59 
  - Great post at the heart of the matter.  mmonk   Oct-24-07 08:00 AM   #60 
  - It is the actions of corporatism that lead to terrorism. Think about big oils quest for  mod mom   Oct-24-07 08:03 AM   #61 
  - We need to strip corporations of the rights of person hood. nt  saddlesore   Oct-24-07 08:17 AM   #62 
  - agreed. that gave rise to the robber barons...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 08:51 PM   #156 
  - And that's THE REASON I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton  Winebrat   Oct-24-07 08:30 AM   #63 
  - same here.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:07 PM   #124 
  - We HAD our chance with Howard Dean.  PassingFair   Oct-24-07 08:52 AM   #66 
  - look at how dean is now. he's all...well...domesticated...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:07 PM   #123 
     - I think he is doing everything he can WHERE he can.  PassingFair   Oct-24-07 09:10 PM   #159 
  - I completely agree.  distantearlywarning   Oct-24-07 08:56 AM   #68 
  - you've hit it on the head  emald   Oct-24-07 09:14 AM   #69 
  - K&R  rabies1   Oct-24-07 10:17 AM   #74 
  - This is why the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency is so dispiriting.  Oregonian   Oct-24-07 10:19 AM   #75 
  - ITA. And she is not really making any bones about it. Cf, her "health-care" ideas.  WinkyDink   Oct-24-07 10:38 AM   #78 
  - she's certainly got plenty of people fooled.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:25 PM   #138 
  - The classic line from the Who applies so well:  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:23 PM   #136 
  - K&R  notsodumbhillbilly   Oct-24-07 10:33 AM   #76 
  - And corporations wanting to put RFID chips in the products we take HOME.  WinkyDink   Oct-24-07 10:36 AM   #77 
  - What is the purpose?  Waiting to exhale   Oct-24-07 11:01 AM   #79 
  - Exactly. The Wal-Mart family has 20+ billion EACH, so why did they feel the need  codjh9   Oct-24-07 11:42 AM   #89 
  - They don't care. That's what frightens me.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 03:28 PM   #109 
  - This isn't news, but you're right. They're greedy, they're not adults, really, and  codjh9   Oct-24-07 11:05 AM   #80 
  - k and r  femrap   Oct-24-07 11:21 AM   #83 
  - Nitpick: In political science, "corporatism" does not mean a state dominated by corporate/business  BrainGlutton   Oct-24-07 11:27 AM   #84 
  - Yeah, and if we got rid of the corporations, people would whine about how hard life is and how hard  Evoman   Oct-24-07 11:40 AM   #87 
  - people can whine for all i care.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:12 PM   #129 
  - The snakepit: Government = contractors = corporations = Government  flashl   Oct-24-07 11:42 AM   #88 
  - And who might NOT be a corporate toady?  ideagarden   Oct-24-07 12:08 PM   #91 
  - We can't count on any politicians to change the system for us..  Virginia Dare   Oct-24-07 01:51 PM   #99 
     - gradually the corporate overlords gain control of EVERYTHING.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:11 PM   #128 
  - he/she would get shot within a New York-second.  BB1   Oct-24-07 12:13 PM   #92 
  - somehow...  ideagarden   Oct-24-07 01:07 PM   #94 
  - if that did happen...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:10 PM   #126 
  - america is being raped so badly-these pelosi ried clinton types amplify the problem  natrat   Oct-24-07 12:24 PM   #93 
  - bush has done such an incredible amount of damage to the middle class and the poor...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 03:22 PM   #107 
  - Corporatism and Fascism.......  Stainless   Oct-24-07 01:43 PM   #95 
  - What's the definition of corporatism?  Virginia Dare   Oct-24-07 01:48 PM   #97 
  - You are mis-using the word corporatism...  Virginia Dare   Oct-24-07 01:47 PM   #96 
  - wiki sucks  ideagarden   Oct-24-07 02:44 PM   #100 
  - Well, look it up in Websters..  Virginia Dare   Oct-24-07 02:48 PM   #101 
  - Oops, my bad.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 03:23 PM   #108 
  - YES. But There's More...  Mark D.   Oct-24-07 02:59 PM   #102 
  - read the above  ideagarden   Oct-24-07 05:03 PM   #118 
  - very well put  RebelSansCause   Oct-24-07 03:01 PM   #103 
  - I do not support HRC for that very reason...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 03:20 PM   #105 
  - datavg...  datavg   Oct-24-07 07:09 PM   #142 
  - wow...made it to the front page...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 03:14 PM   #104 
  - Government has been taken over by business organizations.  The Backlash Cometh   Oct-24-07 03:21 PM   #106 
  - I am sick of it too  Froward69   Oct-24-07 03:45 PM   #110 
  - You think so?  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 04:03 PM   #112 
     - Sure here take a look  Froward69   Oct-24-07 04:06 PM   #114 
  - I have to check in. Glad to see I can still reccommend  BelgianMadCow   Oct-24-07 04:37 PM   #115 
  - Gore/Richardson '08. Strengthened in the hayfields of youth, civilized by Indian people  Fly by night   Oct-24-07 05:01 PM   #117 
  - love gore, but unfamiliar on richardson...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:08 PM   #125 
     - "civilized by Indian people" is how Richardson describes his getting of political wisdom  Fly by night   Oct-24-07 07:42 PM   #144 
        - other than his 'being gay is a choice' gaffe...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 08:50 PM   #155 
  - knr n/t  cosmicdot   Oct-24-07 05:29 PM   #119 
  - Agree its a virus eating the host  lovuian   Oct-24-07 05:40 PM   #120 
  - in the end...  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:02 PM   #122 
     - recent polls  ideagarden   Oct-24-07 07:48 PM   #146 
  - Look...  datavg   Oct-24-07 06:14 PM   #131 
  - it's not a matter of aboshing corporation so much as breaking their infleunce  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:17 PM   #134 
  - My Question Would Be...  datavg   Oct-24-07 06:51 PM   #141 
  - So true...  ideagarden   Oct-24-07 07:53 PM   #148 
     - incorrects. schools teach only how to take tests, thanks to no child left behind.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 08:53 PM   #157 
        - Sure...  datavg   Oct-24-07 10:16 PM   #164 
  - That Sounds Like...  datavg   Oct-25-07 11:15 PM   #173 
  - NOT quite a LIE -- or -- it helped gel the AMERICAN REVOLUTION  SimpleTrend   Oct-25-07 12:58 AM   #167 
  - As Eisenhower warned "....the military-industrial complex..."  HuskiesHowls   Oct-24-07 06:15 PM   #133 
  - It was Reagan who began the evil, and Bush Jr. that intensified it.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 06:21 PM   #135 
  - K&R  merkins   Oct-24-07 06:51 PM   #140 
  - There Isn't Much Time  lyonspotter   Oct-24-07 07:44 PM   #145 
  - weeeee!  bridgit   Oct-24-07 07:49 PM   #147 
  - awww shit, i'm gonna get stoooomped.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 08:47 PM   #152 
  - One more K&R  arikara   Oct-24-07 07:53 PM   #149 
  - greedy violent people  C_U_L8R   Oct-24-07 08:15 PM   #150 
  - until they themselves are defeated, they will not go away.  Elrond Hubbard   Oct-24-07 08:49 PM   #154 
  - Absolutely right on and why Hillary should NOT ever be president!  saracat   Oct-24-07 09:07 PM   #158 
  - Beyond Our Means  Mark D.   Oct-24-07 09:23 PM   #161 
  - I know you'll like this. Carlin.  Duppers   Oct-24-07 10:22 PM   #165 
  - Vote Carlin '08  ConsAreLiars   Oct-24-07 10:54 PM   #166 
  - It's the fucking staff. Staph... stuff.  lonestarnot   Oct-25-07 09:11 PM   #171 
  - Put down the pipe  weblatters   Oct-25-07 11:43 PM   #174 
  - Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in....  Blue_Tires   Oct-26-07 10:39 AM   #176 
 

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