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Very simple DU poll: Richard B. Cheney has committed crimes, including treason Y/N? [View All]

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Poll question: Very simple DU poll: Richard B. Cheney has committed crimes, including treason Y/N?
Voting Yes implies these crimes have been committed since occupying the office of VPOTUS as well as demanding accountability under law and our Constitution.

Poll result (257 votes)
Yes (242 votes, 94%)Vote
No (15 votes, 6%)Vote
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  Very simple DU poll: Richard B. Cheney has committed crimes, including treason Y/N? bobthedrummer  Oct-22-07 03:39 PM   #0 
   IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST-IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 03:41 PM   #1 
   Of course he has..  Virginia Dare   Oct-22-07 03:41 PM   #2 
   Respectfully, no he hasn't neutralized all evidence and witnesses Virginia Dare.  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 03:46 PM   #6 
   I'll take 'yes'  Yael   Oct-22-07 03:41 PM   #3 
   hell yeah he has  madokie   Oct-22-07 03:42 PM   #4 
   Yes, but  BOSSHOG   Oct-22-07 03:42 PM   #5 
   I always wonder who here on du would vote no...maybe some trolls...  movonne   Oct-22-07 03:56 PM   #9 
      Anyone trolling here  BOSSHOG   Oct-22-07 04:01 PM   #11 
   Crimes, yes, but probably not treason.  Deep13   Oct-22-07 03:55 PM   #7 
   Would "material aid" include nuclear armament? nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 04:08 PM   #18 
      If you can find evidence proving that Richard Cheney personally provided  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:14 PM   #20 
      Seriously endangering the national security interests by not only allowing,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 04:19 PM   #28 
         Are you referring to India?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:22 PM   #31 
         No.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 05:41 PM   #84 
            Ah, you're referring to Six Degrees of Richard Cheney.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:43 PM   #85 
               Hardly. Ah, I see. That's how you characterize the information. Well, no use in continuing,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 05:53 PM   #92 
                  Yes, once I suggest that  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:58 PM   #98 
         No it doesn't.  Deep13   Oct-22-07 04:23 PM   #34 
            If I may interject...  nathan hale   Oct-22-07 06:21 PM   #113 
               It certainly would.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:27 PM   #115 
               There I go again...  nathan hale   Oct-22-07 07:29 PM   #134 
               The U.S. Constitution defines treason narrowly.  Deep13   Oct-22-07 11:44 PM   #143 
                  The previous poster and I already covered this.  nathan hale   Oct-23-07 02:40 AM   #146 
      Giving nuclear weapons to an enemy state, sure.  Deep13   Oct-22-07 04:21 PM   #30 
   Treason is an exaggeration. n/t  cosmik debris   Oct-22-07 03:55 PM   #8 
   no it is not  seemslikeadream   Oct-22-07 03:57 PM   #10 
      Seriously?  cosmik debris   Oct-22-07 04:07 PM   #17 
         make war against,  seemslikeadream   Oct-22-07 04:15 PM   #21 
         or seriously injure the what?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-22-07 04:15 PM   #22 
         It was probably something in square brackets,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:16 PM   #24 
         Well there you go.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-22-07 04:17 PM   #26 
            He has, but you're missing the first component of it.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:19 PM   #27 
         link  cosmik debris   Oct-22-07 04:24 PM   #35 
            Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort  seemslikeadream   Oct-22-07 04:43 PM   #59 
               Richard Cheney has provided material aid to hostile nations,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:47 PM   #61 
                  Yes he has READ  seemslikeadream   Oct-22-07 05:01 PM   #68 
                     Playing "Six Degrees of Seperation" with a high-ranking American politician  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:21 PM   #75 
                        LISTEN TO THIS PLAME SAYS IT'S TREASON  seemslikeadream   Oct-22-07 08:50 PM   #137 
                           You're right, we should ignore 200 years of legal precedent and defer to her. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 09:33 PM   #140 
                              I don't know who the hell you are but you are no Valerie Plame and  seemslikeadream   Oct-23-07 09:08 AM   #147 
         The JUST US Department is corrupted by those that have prevented prosecution  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 04:16 PM   #23 
            Obstruction of justice is indeed criminal,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:17 PM   #73 
   Is the Pope Catholic? n/t  PeterU   Oct-22-07 04:02 PM   #12 
   Was christ a Jew??  dkofos   Oct-22-07 04:22 PM   #32 
      Only on his mother's side  MonkeyFunk   Oct-22-07 11:15 PM   #142 
   Where's the Category For "He's Pure Evil" ? n/t  Trouser Trout   Oct-22-07 04:04 PM   #13 
   He has committed many crimes. I do not believe a charge of treason would stick in court.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:04 PM   #14 
   More likely espionage, not treason  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-22-07 04:38 PM   #55 
   If treason, as defined in the dictionary, means betrayal of a trust or  babylonsister   Oct-22-07 04:06 PM   #15 
   However, that is not how treason is legally defined. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:13 PM   #19 
   Please provide the legal definition, and we could probably yank that apart, too. nt  babylonsister   Oct-22-07 04:19 PM   #29 
      Sure.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:25 PM   #37 
         So levying an illegal war Americans would have to fight and die for isn't  babylonsister   Oct-22-07 04:30 PM   #46 
         No, it isn't. It may be criminal for other reasons, but it is not treasonous unless  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:31 PM   #49 
         By your own words:  endarkenment   Oct-22-07 04:32 PM   #50 
            You probably started typing before I added this note.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:33 PM   #52 
               "treason is a crime of intent as well,"  endarkenment   Oct-22-07 05:46 PM   #87 
                  That would be the crime of espionage, not treason.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:47 PM   #88 
                     what?  endarkenment   Oct-23-07 09:36 AM   #152 
   "They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."  ProSense   Oct-22-07 04:32 PM   #51 
      For some reason the first link is redirecting, here is the actual link:  ProSense   Oct-22-07 04:41 PM   #57 
   Very simply, yes, including treason. eom  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 04:06 PM   #16 
   YES, IN CAPS, YES!  robertpaulsen   Oct-22-07 04:17 PM   #25 
   Lemme see  The Traveler   Oct-22-07 04:22 PM   #33 
   Quite obviously not. "Treason" has a specific meaning.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-22-07 04:24 PM   #36 
   how do you class the outing of Valerie Plame?  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 05:28 PM   #78 
   I was trying to think who would have voted "No" in this poll.  The Stranger   Oct-22-07 04:25 PM   #38 
   You could start with reading the thread.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:26 PM   #40 
   IT SEEMS WE JUST MIGHT FIGURE OUT A LOT OF THINGS  seemslikeadream   Oct-23-07 09:10 AM   #149 
   I voted "No"  MonkeyFunk   Oct-22-07 05:00 PM   #67 
   The fact that this poll is not 100% yes is scary shit.  EOO   Oct-22-07 04:25 PM   #39 
   People who care what words mean.  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-22-07 04:27 PM   #43 
   If what Cheney has done isn't treason, then the word simply has no meaning.  The Stranger   Oct-22-07 04:31 PM   #47 
      Sure it does. A very specific legal meaning. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:34 PM   #53 
      Is beating a dog treason?  Kurt_and_Hunter   Oct-22-07 04:35 PM   #54 
         Again I ask: Where to begin?  The Stranger   Oct-22-07 04:57 PM   #65 
            Violations of the Constitution are not by themselves treason.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:15 PM   #69 
               What about intentionally scheming to destroy its substance? eom  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 05:38 PM   #83 
               That would be an extremely vague charge,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:46 PM   #86 
                  I disagree. Conspiracy to disassemble the substance of the USC is pretty specific.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 05:58 PM   #96 
                     Huh. I don't recall that one being in the United States Code.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:05 PM   #102 
                        I wasn't citing law. I was referring to the U.S. Constitution. Deconstruction requires no,...  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:12 PM   #106 
                           Well, I should like a reasonable discussion,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:18 PM   #110 
                              Really. You've dismissed whistle-blower testimony (e.g. evidence). No where to go from there. nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:27 PM   #114 
                                 Yes, I have dismissed the claim that  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:29 PM   #116 
               You assert both of those as if they are axioms. Quite the contrary . . .  The Stranger   Oct-22-07 05:53 PM   #93 
                  Very good.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:00 PM   #99 
                  I'm sorry, but federal courts stopped accepting legal briefs written on tinfoil.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:01 PM   #100 
                     Oh, my. Out with the tinfoil assertion. "Smart". eom  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:04 PM   #101 
                     Claims of an overarching conspiracy with no factual references would indeed be tinfoil.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:06 PM   #103 
                        Why bother citing facts/evidence when they'll be dismissed as something else? eom  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:14 PM   #108 
                           Well, one could try citing actual facts or actual evidence.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:20 PM   #111 
                              If I thought it would make a difference, I'd take the time to give that to you. nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:33 PM   #118 
                     Federal courts consider allegations far, far, far more "tinfoil" than this.  The Stranger   Oct-23-07 10:08 AM   #153 
   People who actually know the definition of treason. n/t  Deep13   Oct-22-07 04:28 PM   #44 
   Not freeper lurkers...  MonkeyFunk   Oct-22-07 05:18 PM   #74 
      It's interesting how many people have asked who's posting the 'no' votes,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:23 PM   #76 
         I think it's  MonkeyFunk   Oct-22-07 05:30 PM   #79 
   War crimes refresher  ProSense   Oct-22-07 04:27 PM   #41 
   Great stuff-thanks! nt  babylonsister   Oct-22-07 04:31 PM   #48 
   Definition of treason in the USA, just so we are clear...  Deep13   Oct-22-07 04:27 PM   #42 
   Richard B. Cheney is a domestic enemy of the US-I'm with the citizens that state that fact  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 04:40 PM   #56 
      Richard Cheney has declared a desire to see America overthrown?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:42 PM   #58 
      Our US Constitution has been "overthrown" piecemeal-that is treason since it is US eom.  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 04:47 PM   #60 
         Violations of the Constitution are not treasonous. They are criminal. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 04:48 PM   #63 
            Papering it over is treason regardless of the form (PD, EO, etc) by unelected Executive n/t  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 04:52 PM   #64 
            No, it is obstruction of justice, which is certainly criminal  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:15 PM   #70 
               See post 23 n/t  bobthedrummer   Oct-22-07 05:16 PM   #71 
            Signing on to PNAC should be enough. Their intent is to overthrow  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-22-07 05:37 PM   #81 
               You're half right on that one.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:48 PM   #89 
                  Rigged elections & "permanent republican majority" = overthrowing our form of government  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-22-07 05:56 PM   #94 
                     Election fraud is not the same as treason.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:07 PM   #104 
      No, treason is waging war on the USA, adhering to its enemies ...  Deep13   Oct-22-07 05:27 PM   #77 
         It seems too many wish to define "treasonous" as an adjective meaning  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:30 PM   #80 
         outing Plame gave aid and comfort to America's enemies.  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 05:37 PM   #82 
            Yeah, in the same way the Dixie Chicks did.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 05:50 PM   #91 
            Actually, I think he/she may be correct there.  The Stranger   Oct-22-07 05:57 PM   #95 
            The crime of treason is one of foreign collaboration.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:12 PM   #107 
               Please, cite law backing up the assertion ALL acts of treason require foreign collaboration.  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 06:31 PM   #117 
                  Cramer v. United States (1945)  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:44 PM   #119 
                     Haupt v US, 330 U.S. 631 (1947). nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 07:04 PM   #123 
                        That's amusing (edited to add more excerpts)  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 07:06 PM   #124 
                           ...so you're done, then? nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 07:28 PM   #133 
            what part of destroying up the anti-WMD network isn't harming the US?  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 06:10 PM   #105 
               And which government was Richard Cheney collaborating with when he did this? nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:21 PM   #112 
                  What legal basis do you have for your assertion for your sine qua non?  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 06:49 PM   #120 
                     It's been part of the United States legal tradition since its inception. See:  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 06:51 PM   #121 
                        And if you do not think Cramer case would be considered precedent,  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 07:02 PM   #122 
                        Apparently, you didn't read Haupt, a 1947 case. Foreign collaboration is NOT necessary. nt  sicksicksick_N_tired   Oct-22-07 07:07 PM   #125 
                           That is not remotely what Haupt found.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 07:10 PM   #126 
                        I still assert that treason has been committed, let me expand my argument.  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 07:15 PM   #127 
                           So, again, who is the enemy that is being adhered to?  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 07:18 PM   #130 
                              You didn't read my post.  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 07:22 PM   #131 
                                 I did. It was incorrect. Read mine.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 07:24 PM   #132 
                                    You keep clinging to the notion that you MUST 'adhere to a foreign power'. not so  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 07:52 PM   #135 
                                       Well, let's see what case law says about that.  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 08:02 PM   #136 
                                          Cheney, by your reasoning, did adhere to an ill-disposed foreign agency.  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 08:59 PM   #138 
                                             And that opinion is in contrast to the explicit opinion of the Court. nt  Rhythm and Blue   Oct-22-07 09:17 PM   #139 
                                                with respect, I fail to see how this disagrees with the explicit opinion  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 10:04 PM   #141 
            Maybe. I have always taken the view that a nation...  Deep13   Oct-22-07 11:46 PM   #144 
   More than enough evidence to have a trial!  rucky   Oct-22-07 04:29 PM   #45 
   I only voted 'yes' because there is no 'FUCK YEAH!' option.  TheBaldyMan   Oct-22-07 04:47 PM   #62 
   IMPEACH THE FUCKER NOW!!!!! n/t  RebelSansCause   Oct-22-07 04:59 PM   #66 
   I.M.P.E.A.C.H.  stirlingsliver   Oct-22-07 05:16 PM   #72 
   CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...  and-justice-for-all   Oct-22-07 05:49 PM   #90 
   Every Iraqi child that is needlessly killed...  baldguy   Oct-22-07 05:58 PM   #97 
   Dick Cheney and George Bush are not loyal Americans. Their  Cleita   Oct-22-07 06:16 PM   #109 
   I Would Say That Fitzgerald  Me.   Oct-22-07 07:16 PM   #128 
   Where was "HELL, YES!" ?  WinkyDink   Oct-22-07 07:16 PM   #129 
   Treason  Me.   Oct-22-07 11:58 PM   #145 
   Crimes and abuses  H2O Man   Oct-23-07 09:09 AM   #148 
   Very simple poll, huh?  Vickers   Oct-23-07 09:15 AM   #150 
   You needed a poll for this?  Marrah_G   Oct-23-07 09:15 AM   #151 
      The name Marrah means bitter, right? Did you vote yes? eom  bobthedrummer   Oct-24-07 01:00 AM   #154 
 

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