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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-21-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. an unqualified yes.
The social upheaval due to radical millinarian groups in Europe in the middle ages was considerable. Now granted, they didn't have nuclear bombs at their disposal, but they did their best. Besides, I'd argue that bush is not pushing a millenarian vision, but is acting out of greed and hubris. And though Dominionists and other wingnuts have influence and power, they don't have enough to make it happen. And who's been pushing endless war the hardest? The neocons, and they aren't faith based, by and large.
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  -Secular Apocalyptists, Dystopias and Christian Millenialists. cali  Oct-21-07 12:12 PM   #0 
  - I've now been both in my life  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 12:15 PM   #1 
  - It's worth tossing out  cali   Oct-21-07 12:18 PM   #2 
     - I base my feelings of doom on intellectual reasons now at least  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 12:22 PM   #3 
        - Well, that's one of the points I tried to make  cali   Oct-21-07 12:32 PM   #6 
           - it is marginally comforting that we'll be the people  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 12:36 PM   #9 
  - What I find odd is how this started getting off the ground in the early 70's  mrcheerful   Oct-21-07 12:27 PM   #4 
  - That's actually the part that still gets to me a little  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 12:31 PM   #5 
  - More like every few years or every couple of decades, if not  cali   Oct-21-07 12:36 PM   #8 
  - Mad max might not be too far down the road.  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 12:38 PM   #10 
  - These bursts of religious insanity seem to occur pretty regularily.  Odin2005   Oct-21-07 01:00 PM   #19 
  - I base my feelings  Mojorabbit   Oct-21-07 12:32 PM   #7 
  - Is this a phenomenon of modern times,  quantessd   Oct-21-07 12:41 PM   #11 
  - Always  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 12:45 PM   #12 
  - It's as old as religion is.  mrcheerful   Oct-21-07 12:47 PM   #13 
  - sure is. but secular apocalypticism is  cali   Oct-21-07 12:50 PM   #15 
  - Virtually every religion and culture  cali   Oct-21-07 12:49 PM   #14 
     - I've often seen popular forms of Marxism labeled secularized Judeo-Christian eschantologies.  Odin2005   Oct-21-07 01:06 PM   #20 
        - Undoubtedly, though Judaism doesn't  cali   Oct-21-07 01:13 PM   #21 
  - How about some examples?  wuushew   Oct-21-07 12:53 PM   #16 
  - Here's one to start you off:  quantessd   Oct-21-07 12:57 PM   #17 
  - Here's a concrete example:  cali   Oct-21-07 01:00 PM   #18 
  - That wasn't necessarily secular  toddaa   Oct-21-07 01:16 PM   #22 
     - But many others  sufrommich   Oct-21-07 01:20 PM   #24 
     - There were also plenty of secular  cali   Oct-21-07 01:32 PM   #25 
        - Not disagreeing with you, I just think that Y2K was heavily tainted by Gary North  toddaa   Oct-21-07 01:52 PM   #29 
  - The webbot project has also somehow picked up on 2012  quantessd   Oct-21-07 02:08 PM   #35 
  - Good post,Cali,  sufrommich   Oct-21-07 01:16 PM   #23 
  - Thanks, su  cali   Oct-21-07 01:36 PM   #26 
     - I try not to shut people out  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 01:39 PM   #27 
     - You do realize that no mortal can  sufrommich   Oct-21-07 02:00 PM   #32 
     - I agree.nt  sufrommich   Oct-21-07 01:56 PM   #31 
  - But has the end times ever been FORCED onto us before?  Notorious Bohemian   Oct-21-07 01:49 PM   #28 
  - an unqualified yes.  cali   Oct-21-07 02:03 PM   #33 
     - Thank you for answering. You say that Bush isn't pushing  Notorious Bohemian   Oct-21-07 02:19 PM   #37 
     - I don't know. I'm pretty tuned in to millenarian language  cali   Oct-21-07 02:43 PM   #38 
     - Do you think that for most people  Mojorabbit   Oct-21-07 05:25 PM   #41 
        - man, that's a really good question  cali   Oct-21-07 05:44 PM   #42 
           - If the human race survives long enough  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 05:47 PM   #43 
              - I had a really cynical anthropology prof once  cali   Oct-21-07 06:39 PM   #44 
                 - That's about where I'm at these days  shadowknows69   Oct-21-07 06:40 PM   #45 
  - The human race is doomed.  fiziwig   Oct-21-07 01:54 PM   #30 
  - Are you channeling Carl Sagan,by any chance?  sufrommich   Oct-21-07 02:05 PM   #34 
  - Really great, great post.  cali   Oct-21-07 02:14 PM   #36 
  - Thanks for the Wojcik reference.  igil   Oct-21-07 03:53 PM   #39 
  - I've had the same experience  cali   Oct-21-07 04:19 PM   #40 
  - kick  cali   Oct-22-07 11:57 AM   #46 

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