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Thu Oct-18-07 07:01 PM
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| 75. A dog is legally property, not a person. |
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Edited on Thu Oct-18-07 07:05 PM by MindPilot
Yes I know they have feelings, needs etc. My own dogs--all of which have come from the county animal shelter--are more my children than my children were.
But they are still my property and have no more legal value than that. If somebody kills your pet, the most you are going to be compensated for is the cost of replacement. Just like if someone steals your car. You will not get compensated for any emotional loss for an animal.
Now with that reality in mind, how can a rescue organization enter into a legally enforceable contract with the contingency that they will take the animal back if its care doesn't meet their standards? That would be like buying a car, then the dealer repossessing it because you didn't wax it every other week.
If I go to the shelter and adopt (buy) a pet, that animal is now my property to do whatever I damn well please with. (Within the law of course--if I'm cruel or inhumane to the animal that is a law enforcement issue, not the business of the seller.)
So it looks like the rescue organizations who are operating with these onerous contracts are not really putting the animals up for adoption (sale), they are actually leasing them. And just like the aformentioned car dealer, they get to sell them at least twice.
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| -The risks you take adopting a dog w/o a contract |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 05:26 PM |
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Oh for the love of dog |
MonkeyFunk |
Oct-18-07 05:26 PM |
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Flame the collar, not pup nor leash. |
lips |
Oct-18-07 05:32 PM |
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Excellent post! |
LostinVA |
Oct-18-07 05:30 PM |
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....for me to poop on! |
sheeptramp |
Oct-18-07 05:32 PM |
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No, it;'s an excellent post, period |
LostinVA |
Oct-18-07 05:47 PM |
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Wasnt one thread enough? |
sheeptramp |
Oct-18-07 05:31 PM |
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Good flaming grief. |
aquart |
Oct-18-07 05:34 PM |
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You and I don't oft agree, but on this one, yes we do. |
Clark2008 |
Oct-18-07 08:23 PM |
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As a former animal-shelter volunteer |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 05:35 PM |
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I had to allow a criminal background check to be run on me |
LostinVA |
Oct-18-07 05:38 PM |
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Interesting |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 05:47 PM |
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What they look for is any arrests, etc.., for any violent behavior or crimes against animals |
LostinVA |
Oct-18-07 05:54 PM |
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You know who likes to adopt animals w/out a background check? |
blackops |
Oct-18-07 06:11 PM |
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Did you keep families with children from adopting? |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:26 PM |
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Absolutely |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:43 PM |
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That's what I'm saying |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:52 PM |
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Puppies aren't a blank slate |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:05 PM |
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You are clueless... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:07 PM |
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So you don't leave children alone with dogs? |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:10 PM |
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You are splitting hairs and grasping at straws... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:14 PM |
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A large percentage of dog bite victims are children |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:22 PM |
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Sod off! I didn't even argue that point with you! |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:24 PM |
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why does it take you so long to say goodbye? |
Scout |
Oct-18-07 07:36 PM |
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I've had gf's dump me with less drama |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:45 PM |
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Oh, the irony... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:27 PM |
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And that's fine. |
Clark2008 |
Oct-18-07 08:26 PM |
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All my dogs have |
Mojorabbit |
Oct-18-07 05:36 PM |
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Mine too! |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 05:44 PM |
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K&R by the way |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 05:37 PM |
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Thank you |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 05:42 PM |
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I share you feelings |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 05:55 PM |
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The repossessed a dog that had already been paid for... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 05:38 PM |
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No, the dog wasn't paid for |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 05:43 PM |
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Did you read the story or listen to any of this? |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 05:45 PM |
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That's the risk you take when you get a dog |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 06:08 PM |
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Yes, but I'm NOT convinced this particular group fits that category |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:23 PM |
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Many rescue groups do that |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 06:40 PM |
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We're talking about a puppy here! |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:47 PM |
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Puppies are more likely to bite than an adult dog |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 06:56 PM |
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I don't believe you at all |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:05 PM |
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You don't have to |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:07 PM |
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Yes, there's no sharper little teeth than that on pups ... like tiny needles. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-18-07 07:16 PM |
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Thank you |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:23 PM |
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I'm seriously considering entering an internship ... |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-18-07 07:32 PM |
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I'm not a CPDT |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:48 PM |
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Thanks |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-18-07 07:53 PM |
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Here's a start |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:07 PM |
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I copy and appreciate the URL and guidance. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-18-07 08:13 PM |
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Yes and IMO, If you have a little means, you have to care for the health of your dog. |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-18-07 07:07 PM |
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I just paid to adopt a dog |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 05:58 PM |
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I'm 50 years old, I've had many, many dogs |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:29 PM |
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I can't address your level of experience |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:32 PM |
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I agree on the vetting process! |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:38 PM |
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Oh, I misunderstood |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:47 PM |
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Thought so:) |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:56 PM |
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I usually agree with your posts |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 07:28 PM |
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Thanks, I'm the fortunate one... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:49 PM |
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About puppies... |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 07:37 PM |
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That's why I always went for the older dog |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:57 PM |
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Bless you |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 08:57 PM |
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I call this one "Sed on Bed" |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 07:58 PM |
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Just to add one thing |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:49 PM |
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I agree |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:59 PM |
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Aww, that's a nice story |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 07:44 PM |
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I say the same thing about my Jack |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 08:02 PM |
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I'm glad we got to talk |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 10:31 PM |
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If you can name a rescue organization |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 05:59 PM |
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No need... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:34 PM |
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You can PM me with the names |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:37 PM |
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Like I said... no need... |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 06:41 PM |
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You can find a list of some very dreadful rescue organizations at |
mondo joe |
Oct-18-07 10:09 PM |
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Some of those risks are present even with such a contract. |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-18-07 05:44 PM |
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Thank you |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 05:55 PM |
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Frankly, I wouldn't take on a dog or cat from any group unless I was comfortable with the animal |
Gormy Cuss |
Oct-18-07 06:24 PM |
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Booga booga! |
NC_Nurse |
Oct-18-07 05:45 PM |
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I say that out loud every time I adopt a dog! |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 05:53 PM |
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No disrespect to anyone that wants to go that way... |
Wildewolfe |
Oct-18-07 05:45 PM |
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stupid question |
Johonny |
Oct-18-07 05:46 PM |
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Of course it is |
LostinVA |
Oct-18-07 05:50 PM |
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? |
Johonny |
Oct-19-07 10:49 AM |
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Have you read this particular "contract"? It's crazy. |
incapsulated |
Oct-18-07 05:49 PM |
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Hysterical |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 06:23 PM |
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It's a PDF file |
incapsulated |
Oct-18-07 07:39 PM |
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OK, I got it now |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:03 PM |
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EVERY contract from a "rescue" group is crazy. |
DemBones DemBones |
Oct-18-07 08:23 PM |
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All of those would have been good points to raise BEFORE |
Egalitariat |
Oct-19-07 08:41 PM |
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GO TO ANY CITY/COUNTY ANIMAL SHELTER |
SoCalDem |
Oct-18-07 05:50 PM |
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All my dogs were from death row or strays |
incapsulated |
Oct-18-07 05:52 PM |
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My dogs too |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:01 PM |
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YES. |
joshcryer |
Oct-18-07 06:00 PM |
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Exactly. Both of our current house animals were found outside. |
dicksteele |
Oct-18-07 06:01 PM |
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Truer words have never been spoken |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-07 06:06 PM |
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I made a big mistake I want to clear up |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:15 PM |
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Who would want a noisy dog anyway...I finally got rid of ours in Feb |
ileus |
Oct-18-07 06:02 PM |
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OMG!!! |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-07 06:04 PM |
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poor choice of words sorry...I gave him to a couple I know. |
ileus |
Oct-19-07 08:34 PM |
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Ahhhh |
kdmorris |
Oct-19-07 09:26 PM |
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I think you forgot this: |
mycritters2 |
Oct-19-07 12:48 AM |
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While I'm trying to agree with the sentiment of your post |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-07 06:02 PM |
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I think the Rescue organizations might have different standards than you local Humane Society |
alarimer |
Oct-18-07 06:19 PM |
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Our Humane Society doesn't either |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-07 06:51 PM |
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Lot of truth in this post as well |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:28 PM |
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Thank you |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-07 06:48 PM |
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Yes, SO TRUE |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:52 PM |
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I'm really sorry for your loss! |
kdmorris |
Oct-18-07 06:58 PM |
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Aww, thanks |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 07:33 PM |
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I agree with you 100% |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 07:31 PM |
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Fair enough |
kdmorris |
Oct-19-07 04:39 AM |
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The dog I found a new home for 3 months ago is doing very well |
slackmaster |
Oct-18-07 06:15 PM |
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People don't think about the bonds that form between shelter personnel |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 06:16 PM |
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One of my friends almost had a nervous breakdown |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:19 PM |
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That is what happened to my dog |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 10:29 PM |
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Until I got my dog, all my pets came from the city pound. No contracts - just a |
mondo joe |
Oct-18-07 06:32 PM |
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On second thought, get a cat. When is the last time a cat ever killed its owner? |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-18-07 06:36 PM |
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Mine tried. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-07 07:09 PM |
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I kinda agree...SEE FRIST AND CAT ADOPTIONS...but after say 1 year |
angstlessk |
Oct-18-07 06:51 PM |
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It doesn't excuse what that rescue did. |
Pithlet |
Oct-18-07 06:52 PM |
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Please see |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:23 PM |
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legally |
idgiehkt |
Oct-19-07 12:13 AM |
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I'm not a bit sheltered. |
Pithlet |
Oct-19-07 10:28 AM |
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Kudos cuke! |
ShortnFiery |
Oct-18-07 06:54 PM |
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There are contracts |
Ayesha |
Oct-18-07 06:54 PM |
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Excellent post. |
Pithlet |
Oct-18-07 06:59 PM |
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I agree with each and every thing you said |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:32 PM |
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this is pretty common, I think. |
idgiehkt |
Oct-19-07 12:21 AM |
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A dog is legally property, not a person. |
MindPilot |
Oct-18-07 07:01 PM |
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Isn't that changing in some states? |
Mike03 |
Oct-18-07 07:40 PM |
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Yes, in many states animals are no longer considered property |
LostinVA |
Oct-18-07 08:43 PM |
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I think Ellengate will turn some off to rescue grous, but hopufully they will be more |
mondo joe |
Oct-18-07 08:06 PM |
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Love that analogy. Love it! |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:43 PM |
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car dealerships profit from the sale of cars |
idgiehkt |
Oct-19-07 12:35 AM |
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I have a problem with the all of nothing approach you have |
riderinthestorm |
Oct-18-07 08:05 PM |
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Winnie! Winnie! Neigh.... bplblblblblbllbllblb |
Juniperx |
Oct-18-07 08:07 PM |
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Oh yeah baby, Dr. Dan Beatty is a hottie (the chiropractor) |
riderinthestorm |
Oct-18-07 11:13 PM |
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You're right |
cuke |
Oct-18-07 08:52 PM |
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I run my horses at the international levels of eventing. |
riderinthestorm |
Oct-18-07 10:21 PM |
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"Onerous and ridiculous contracts" |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-18-07 09:02 PM |
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Yep, my main barn houses 28 horses and Felix was taken home by one of my boarders |
riderinthestorm |
Oct-18-07 10:50 PM |
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It's good that you don't understand why shelters are this way |
idgiehkt |
Oct-19-07 12:41 AM |
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. |
DemEtienne |
Oct-18-07 11:30 PM |
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talk to other vets |
idgiehkt |
Oct-19-07 12:04 AM |
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Hi,thanks for the reply. |
DemEtienne |
Oct-19-07 10:15 AM |
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I hate to say this, but |
Ayesha |
Oct-19-07 07:43 PM |
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What they said. |
renie408 |
Oct-19-07 08:40 PM |
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I adopted a puppy in August from a rescue group. I signed a contract that was very pro-animal. |
Bozita |
Oct-19-07 09:39 PM |
#145 |
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