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101. Our own political system of elections is not as corrupted as these countries listed
Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 10:38 PM by bigtree
There are myriads of other levers of accountability in our political system which aren't available or integral to these other countries. It's not all that surprising that their remedies for their broken systems often lead to a complete upheaval rather than any process of investigation resembling our own national legislature's.

Unless we determine that our national legislature's elections are somehow a fraud, or that there is some criminal obstruction being engineered by our legislature, they retain whatever authority is inherent in our constitution to exercise the many other constitutional remedies for crimes and abuses of the Executive which may well fall short of an impeachment. There is a democratic process of accountability underway. The fact that the process hasn't been able to garner enough support to enact impeachment in this Congress is more of a reflection of the balance of power than a collapse of the Legislature. I continue to believe that the attitude toward impeachment among legislators would be more favorable if they had enough of a majority to sustain that action to a conviction -- instead of the almost certain prospect of an acquittal in this Congress along party lines, given the present balance of power.

There is still as much of an opportunity for the congressional process of investigation to produce the type of justice these other countries sought with their upheavals of their governments through normal prosecution as there is behind the initiation of an impeachment which leads to the political judgment of a handful of senators.
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  -Impeachment Now! H2O Man  Oct-17-07 07:24 PM   #0 
  - And the grand democracy that is (supposedly) the US won't even consider it.  babylonsister   Oct-17-07 07:26 PM   #1 
  - Right.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:27 PM   #2 
  - Well the people certainly consider it. but our representatives are not representing.  robinlynne   Oct-17-07 10:59 PM   #103 
  - K&R  bobthedrummer   Oct-17-07 07:27 PM   #3 
  - Impeach Dick Cheney.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:28 PM   #4 
  - Ditto that! After watching "Cheney's Law" on Frontline last night, I cannot  in_cog_ni_to   Oct-17-07 07:33 PM   #9 
     - Exactly.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:37 PM   #15 
     - Yes, I saw Frontline too and after the president's press conference/speech  snappyturtle   Oct-17-07 08:14 PM   #56 
     - I just finished watching tonite, Cheney lives in the shadows  alyce douglas   Oct-17-07 09:34 PM   #97 
        - Yes. He and the neo-cons waited for the perfect puppet so they could use him to further their agenda  in_cog_ni_to   Oct-18-07 11:03 AM   #146 
           - Right.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 11:27 AM   #152 
  - But if you impeach him first then who becomes vice-president?  Baby Snooks   Oct-17-07 08:16 PM   #57 
     - Ford was just a member chosen by the house back in 1973  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 08:36 PM   #70 
     - Wow, I never thought of that. ...You could be on to something. ..n/t  Just-plain-Kathy   Oct-17-07 11:41 PM   #111 
     - that would be something to see, a cat fight!!  alyce douglas   Oct-18-07 10:51 AM   #141 
     - But if Al Gore declares his candidacy, Miss Hillary becomes irrelevant  Raksha   Oct-18-07 07:27 PM   #182 
  - Ramen and Ramen :)  SalmonChantedEvening   Oct-17-07 07:29 PM   #5 
  - Honor the Constitution.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:34 PM   #10 
     - The deliberacy of it all, the enabling done by an army  SalmonChantedEvening   Oct-17-07 07:41 PM   #18 
        - Can we drop the parrot analogies  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 07:55 PM   #38 
           - How about "Echo Canyonheads"  SalmonChantedEvening   Oct-17-07 08:01 PM   #43 
           - That works  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 08:05 PM   #47 
           - That's right. Real parrots speak for themselves  lynnertic   Oct-18-07 07:01 PM   #180 
  - It's absurd  MonkeyFunk   Oct-17-07 07:31 PM   #6 
  - Wow... you must be on a lot of people's ignore list...  Flubadubya   Oct-17-07 07:55 PM   #39 
     - I have no idea  MonkeyFunk   Oct-17-07 08:33 PM   #68 
        - It's absurd to argue that these criminals don't deserve impeachment.  Usrename   Oct-18-07 01:54 AM   #117 
        - What arguments?  kenfrequed   Oct-18-07 10:49 AM   #139 
  - Cute photo -- who are those beautiful people?  Catshrink   Oct-17-07 07:32 PM   #7 
  - John Nichols  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:36 PM   #12 
     - your daughter is adorable...  Catshrink   Oct-17-07 07:42 PM   #20 
     - Seeing H2O Girl reminds us her Generation will pay the price for Bush's mayhem....  Blackhatjack   Oct-17-07 07:47 PM   #29 
        - There are days I want to just throw my hands in the air  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 08:12 PM   #55 
        - Interesting.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:27 PM   #63 
  - It would be the right thing to do. I'm all for it  cali   Oct-17-07 07:33 PM   #8 
  - And right now being added to the Mexican Consitution  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 07:35 PM   #11 
  - Our history shows  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:43 PM   #21 
     - I am convinced of same  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 07:44 PM   #25 
  - K&R!  bonito   Oct-17-07 07:36 PM   #13 
  - Everything necessary for a successful impeachment can be won through strong investigation  jpgray   Oct-17-07 07:36 PM   #14 
  - Meanwhile  countingbluecars   Oct-17-07 07:39 PM   #16 
  - But why support a failed impeachment when a stronger investigation would be more effective?  jpgray   Oct-17-07 07:43 PM   #22 
     - Because calling for a failed impeachment allows them to call others names  cuke   Oct-17-07 07:58 PM   #40 
     - You can absolutely argue, however, that the Democrats aren't pushing investigation enough  jpgray   Oct-17-07 08:02 PM   #45 
     - Definitely  cuke   Oct-17-07 08:38 PM   #71 
     - Who is "them"?  countingbluecars   Oct-17-07 08:05 PM   #48 
     - Failed Impeachment?  Me.   Oct-17-07 08:20 PM   #59 
     - Where are the votes? How will immediate impeachment provide more votes?  jpgray   Oct-17-07 08:23 PM   #61 
     - I Wonder If Talk Of WWIII  Me.   Oct-17-07 08:33 PM   #69 
        - There's no question building up Iran as a threat has some intention to distract  jpgray   Oct-17-07 08:38 PM   #72 
           - Good Excuses For Doing Nothing  Me.   Oct-17-07 08:49 PM   #78 
              - We need to examine the risks. Not just spout "we will be greeted as liberators" wishful thinking  jpgray   Oct-17-07 08:52 PM   #81 
                 - That Was Iraq  Me.   Oct-17-07 10:07 PM   #98 
                    - Well, are the risks acceptable to you? Would a "not guilty" result be okay by you?  jpgray   Oct-17-07 11:10 PM   #105 
                       - Oh, Look Up In The Sky, No Look Over There  Me.   Oct-17-07 11:52 PM   #112 
                       - Wrong.  kenfrequed   Oct-18-07 10:55 AM   #143 
                          - We shouldn't sit idle. And I doubt many Republicans support impeaching Bush  jpgray   Oct-18-07 02:31 PM   #168 
                             - No  kenfrequed   Oct-18-07 03:59 PM   #174 
     - There isn't going to BE any goddamn "failed impeachment"!!!  Raksha   Oct-18-07 07:13 PM   #181 
     - This is silly  kenfrequed   Oct-18-07 11:24 AM   #151 
  - I thought that  freebrew   Oct-18-07 08:20 AM   #129 
  - No... Nixon tried to use executive privilege to avoid  redqueen   Oct-18-07 10:49 AM   #140 
  - This is nonsense  kenfrequed   Oct-18-07 02:29 PM   #167 
     - It all happened in the Nixon era. If I were you, I would read up on that time  jpgray   Oct-18-07 03:08 PM   #171 
  - It's a vital component to our democracy which should not be trivialized.  Gregorian   Oct-17-07 07:40 PM   #17 
  - An aide to a  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:46 PM   #28 
     - That's my take as well... the longer we let the Constitutional violations continue the more danger  Blackhatjack   Oct-17-07 07:49 PM   #32 
  - Maybe we should send the PBS Frontline link  malaise   Oct-17-07 07:41 PM   #19 
  - Good idea.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:48 PM   #31 
     - If they've read and appreciated it, I wish they'd move on it. nt  gateley   Oct-17-07 09:28 PM   #96 
  - Can we impeach Pelosi if she won't impeach Bush?  Rageneau   Oct-17-07 07:44 PM   #23 
  - No, but she could be recalled  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 07:46 PM   #27 
  - OK, a recall threat then -- ANYthing to make her do her sworn duty.  Rageneau   Oct-17-07 07:50 PM   #34 
  - Should have happened in January  Baby Snooks   Oct-17-07 08:32 PM   #66 
  - The widely held and almost certainly correct view is that members of congress can't be recalled  onenote   Oct-17-07 11:26 PM   #109 
  - and scotus, i believe. nt  tomp   Oct-18-07 12:42 AM   #114 
  - I'm in favor  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:50 PM   #35 
     - Very true  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 07:52 PM   #36 
  - It would be a good start. - n/t  porphyrian   Oct-17-07 07:44 PM   #24 
  - Yep.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:06 PM   #49 
  - Impeach Cheney Now  DemReadingDU   Oct-17-07 07:44 PM   #26 
  - Very important!  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:04 PM   #46 
  - That's your daughter, yes?  rosesaylavee   Oct-17-07 07:48 PM   #30 
  - Yep.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:02 PM   #44 
     - With you as her dad,  rosesaylavee   Oct-17-07 09:04 PM   #87 
  - I'm newly on-board with this (as of this afternoon!) so I have a couple impeachment  gateley   Oct-17-07 07:50 PM   #33 
  - Ok the impeachmet is  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 07:53 PM   #37 
  - Grand juries don't convict. They indict  cuke   Oct-17-07 08:00 PM   #42 
  - Thanks and I like your new avatar! :-) nt  gateley   Oct-17-07 09:19 PM   #92 
  - Thanks for making it easily understandable! nt  gateley   Oct-17-07 09:18 PM   #91 
  - Impeachment  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 07:58 PM   #41 
     - If I may, this is one of the problems we have today  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 08:10 PM   #53 
     - Thanks again! nt  gateley   Oct-17-07 09:21 PM   #94 
     - Very interesting. And thanks to you too for contributing to my education! nt  gateley   Oct-17-07 09:20 PM   #93 
  - Article Two Section four  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 08:07 PM   #50 
  - Yes.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:09 PM   #52 
  - There's no excuse for not impeaching the worst president in U.S. history.  8_year_nightmare   Oct-17-07 08:08 PM   #51 
  - When people take  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:10 PM   #54 
  - Impeachment is essential.  bleever   Oct-17-07 08:20 PM   #58 
  - Oh, that  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:28 PM   #64 
  - Huzzah! I have been saying this for a long time, but not as succinctly as you did, here.  hisownpetard   Oct-17-07 09:03 PM   #86 
  - yes!!! nt  tomp   Oct-18-07 12:46 AM   #115 
  - Here's who's supporting impeachment:  me b zola   Oct-17-07 08:21 PM   #60 
  - Thank you!  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:31 PM   #65 
  - nicely done!  robinlynne   Oct-17-07 11:01 PM   #104 
  - kick for impeachment now n/t  antigop   Oct-17-07 08:25 PM   #62 
  - Yep.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:43 PM   #74 
  - i agree, impeachment now! duty calls  spanone   Oct-17-07 08:33 PM   #67 
  - Exactly right.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:47 PM   #76 
  - Hell yeah!  lonestarnot   Oct-17-07 08:41 PM   #73 
  - I think it is  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 08:53 PM   #82 
     - And I think you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!  lonestarnot   Oct-17-07 08:59 PM   #85 
     - And I think the same thing today!  lonestarnot   Oct-18-07 10:35 AM   #136 
  - I come here every day for this. Thanks....  midnight   Oct-17-07 08:44 PM   #75 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 09:09 PM   #90 
  - Hey, folks -- we got another co-sponsor of H.Res.333--Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 10/16/2007  antigop   Oct-17-07 08:47 PM   #77 
  - I need to put pressure on mine again  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 08:51 PM   #80 
  - !!!!  Gregorian   Oct-17-07 09:09 PM   #89 
  - We had a shot, till the progressives screwed it up.  Perry Logan   Oct-17-07 08:50 PM   #79 
  - ??????????????????????  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 09:08 PM   #88 
  - Oh yeah, yer the guy who makes those fucked-up videos.  Jim Sagle   Oct-18-07 12:37 AM   #113 
  - Yes, please.  hisownpetard   Oct-17-07 08:54 PM   #83 
  - "Yes"  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 06:32 AM   #126 
     - Yes, yes, yes! I feel that it's our duty to impeach. We cannot let all the insane excesses and  hisownpetard   Oct-18-07 12:29 PM   #160 
        - Yes! n/t  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 12:48 PM   #161 
  - Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.  L0oniX   Oct-17-07 08:58 PM   #84 
  - Impeachment proceedings  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 06:34 AM   #127 
  - Yes. Impeach now...where can I get one of those stickers?  Xenotime   Oct-17-07 09:21 PM   #95 
  - Kick  sfexpat2000   Oct-17-07 10:08 PM   #99 
  - Impeach em both! And read the Constitution people! It ROCKS!  TheGoldenRule   Oct-17-07 10:18 PM   #100 
  - Read the Constitution.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 07:30 AM   #128 
     - Me too!  TheGoldenRule   Oct-18-07 10:47 AM   #138 
  - Our own political system of elections is not as corrupted as these countries listed  bigtree   Oct-17-07 10:38 PM   #101 
  - "complete upheaval"  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 05:56 AM   #124 
  - I can only imagine how much H20 Girl must mean to you.  TahitiNut   Oct-17-07 10:49 PM   #102 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 10:08 AM   #131 
  - Damned right, impeachment now. And for those who are against it,  Joe Fields   Oct-17-07 11:19 PM   #106 
  - Great point.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 10:09 AM   #132 
  - IMPEACH!!!  Swamp Rat   Oct-17-07 11:20 PM   #107 
  - It's the American  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 10:10 AM   #133 
  - kick  me b zola   Oct-17-07 11:22 PM   #108 
  - agreed...  bridgit   Oct-17-07 11:29 PM   #110 
  - Kickin' for the Water Man.  byronius   Oct-18-07 12:57 AM   #116 
  - Thank you.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 11:45 AM   #153 
  - Kick  sfexpat2000   Oct-18-07 02:32 AM   #118 
  - Impeach.  democrank   Oct-18-07 03:51 AM   #119 
  - I agree .....  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 11:46 AM   #154 
  - Listen up all you passionate pro-impeachment DU members.  apex nerd   Oct-18-07 04:23 AM   #120 
  - Gosh.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 06:12 AM   #125 
  - WTF?  Binka   Oct-18-07 03:32 PM   #172 
     - Hi, Binka!  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 04:14 PM   #175 
  - There is no TIME!!!  lame54   Oct-18-07 04:54 AM   #121 
  - Sorry the number you have dialed  kiloman   Oct-18-07 05:12 AM   #122 
  - It's what I've said since the next day after we won back the majority  Hubert Flottz   Oct-18-07 05:31 AM   #123 
  - Amen! K&R!  Joanne98   Oct-18-07 08:29 AM   #130 
  - K&R!  utopiansecretagent   Oct-18-07 10:13 AM   #134 
  - That is a fantastic picture!  lonestarnot   Oct-18-07 10:15 AM   #135 
  - May be a dumb question but...  EnviroBat   Oct-18-07 10:41 AM   #137 
  - As Malcolm X used  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 10:52 AM   #142 
  - K & R  sce56   Oct-18-07 10:55 AM   #144 
  - When this session started, I thought... 'investigations first... those will lead to impeachment'  redqueen   Oct-18-07 10:58 AM   #145 
  - Exactly right.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 11:05 AM   #148 
  - I was thinking that at the time also  crickets   Oct-18-07 01:36 PM   #164 
  - IMPEACHMENT  rockybelt   Oct-18-07 11:04 AM   #147 
  - Hi rockybelt...  redqueen   Oct-18-07 11:12 AM   #149 
  - The people in Power in the USA,  zidzi   Oct-18-07 11:23 AM   #150 
  - K&R. Impeachment is a health food that should always be on the table.  robertpaulsen   Oct-18-07 11:51 AM   #155 
  - Yes, indeed.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 11:58 AM   #157 
  - As far as I am concerned...  RoccoR5955   Oct-18-07 11:54 AM   #156 
  - I prefer "chimpeachment" but impeachment will do as well.  The_Casual_Observer   Oct-18-07 12:15 PM   #158 
  - kick  lonestarnot   Oct-18-07 12:24 PM   #159 
  - I agree wholeheartedly, but is there a will?  saddlesore   Oct-18-07 01:27 PM   #162 
  - Yes  T.Ruth2power   Oct-18-07 01:33 PM   #163 
  - Center for Constitutional Rights.  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 02:04 PM   #165 
     - Have.  lonestarnot   Oct-18-07 02:40 PM   #169 
     - I have. I was one of the "early birds."  TahitiNut   Oct-18-07 07:41 PM   #183 
  - Sooner  spanone   Oct-18-07 02:07 PM   #166 
  - Great post! Where have I've seen that sticker? LOL!  0007   Oct-18-07 03:05 PM   #170 
  - We must impeach cheney 1st  Pastiche423   Oct-18-07 03:56 PM   #173 
  - Pelosi's shown her true worth by 'taking impeachment off the table'.  acmavm   Oct-18-07 05:11 PM   #176 
  - I certainly understand  H2O Man   Oct-18-07 06:16 PM   #178 
  - So you're saying Pelosi doesn't have the BALLS  Raksha   Oct-18-07 07:49 PM   #184 
     - I said she's made a mockery of being the first woman speaker in  acmavm   Oct-19-07 05:13 AM   #185 
        - Okay, thanks for clarifying.  Raksha   Oct-19-07 05:41 AM   #186 
           - I think she  H2O Man   Oct-19-07 05:48 AM   #187 
  - Error: You've already recommended that thread.  spanone   Oct-18-07 05:12 PM   #177 
  - Just in case you.  roxnev   Oct-18-07 06:57 PM   #179 
  - I couldn't agree more, H2O Man! And the photo of your beautiful daughter reminds me of why  PA Democrat   Oct-19-07 06:35 AM   #188 
 

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