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| 101. Our own political system of elections is not as corrupted as these countries listed |
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Edited on Wed Oct-17-07 10:38 PM by bigtree
There are myriads of other levers of accountability in our political system which aren't available or integral to these other countries. It's not all that surprising that their remedies for their broken systems often lead to a complete upheaval rather than any process of investigation resembling our own national legislature's.
Unless we determine that our national legislature's elections are somehow a fraud, or that there is some criminal obstruction being engineered by our legislature, they retain whatever authority is inherent in our constitution to exercise the many other constitutional remedies for crimes and abuses of the Executive which may well fall short of an impeachment. There is a democratic process of accountability underway. The fact that the process hasn't been able to garner enough support to enact impeachment in this Congress is more of a reflection of the balance of power than a collapse of the Legislature. I continue to believe that the attitude toward impeachment among legislators would be more favorable if they had enough of a majority to sustain that action to a conviction -- instead of the almost certain prospect of an acquittal in this Congress along party lines, given the present balance of power.
There is still as much of an opportunity for the congressional process of investigation to produce the type of justice these other countries sought with their upheavals of their governments through normal prosecution as there is behind the initiation of an impeachment which leads to the political judgment of a handful of senators.
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| -Impeachment Now! |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:24 PM |
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And the grand democracy that is (supposedly) the US won't even consider it. |
babylonsister |
Oct-17-07 07:26 PM |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:27 PM |
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Well the people certainly consider it. but our representatives are not representing. |
robinlynne |
Oct-17-07 10:59 PM |
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K&R |
bobthedrummer |
Oct-17-07 07:27 PM |
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Impeach Dick Cheney. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:28 PM |
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Ditto that! After watching "Cheney's Law" on Frontline last night, I cannot |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-17-07 07:33 PM |
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Exactly. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:37 PM |
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Yes, I saw Frontline too and after the president's press conference/speech |
snappyturtle |
Oct-17-07 08:14 PM |
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I just finished watching tonite, Cheney lives in the shadows |
alyce douglas |
Oct-17-07 09:34 PM |
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Yes. He and the neo-cons waited for the perfect puppet so they could use him to further their agenda |
in_cog_ni_to |
Oct-18-07 11:03 AM |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 11:27 AM |
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But if you impeach him first then who becomes vice-president? |
Baby Snooks |
Oct-17-07 08:16 PM |
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Ford was just a member chosen by the house back in 1973 |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 08:36 PM |
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Wow, I never thought of that. ...You could be on to something. ..n/t |
Just-plain-Kathy |
Oct-17-07 11:41 PM |
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that would be something to see, a cat fight!! |
alyce douglas |
Oct-18-07 10:51 AM |
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But if Al Gore declares his candidacy, Miss Hillary becomes irrelevant |
Raksha |
Oct-18-07 07:27 PM |
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Ramen and Ramen :) |
SalmonChantedEvening |
Oct-17-07 07:29 PM |
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Honor the Constitution. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:34 PM |
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The deliberacy of it all, the enabling done by an army |
SalmonChantedEvening |
Oct-17-07 07:41 PM |
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Can we drop the parrot analogies |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 07:55 PM |
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How about "Echo Canyonheads" |
SalmonChantedEvening |
Oct-17-07 08:01 PM |
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That works |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 08:05 PM |
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That's right. Real parrots speak for themselves |
lynnertic |
Oct-18-07 07:01 PM |
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It's absurd |
MonkeyFunk |
Oct-17-07 07:31 PM |
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Wow... you must be on a lot of people's ignore list... |
Flubadubya |
Oct-17-07 07:55 PM |
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I have no idea |
MonkeyFunk |
Oct-17-07 08:33 PM |
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It's absurd to argue that these criminals don't deserve impeachment. |
Usrename |
Oct-18-07 01:54 AM |
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What arguments? |
kenfrequed |
Oct-18-07 10:49 AM |
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Cute photo -- who are those beautiful people? |
Catshrink |
Oct-17-07 07:32 PM |
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John Nichols |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:36 PM |
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your daughter is adorable... |
Catshrink |
Oct-17-07 07:42 PM |
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Seeing H2O Girl reminds us her Generation will pay the price for Bush's mayhem.... |
Blackhatjack |
Oct-17-07 07:47 PM |
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There are days I want to just throw my hands in the air |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 08:12 PM |
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Interesting. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:27 PM |
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It would be the right thing to do. I'm all for it |
cali |
Oct-17-07 07:33 PM |
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And right now being added to the Mexican Consitution |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 07:35 PM |
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Our history shows |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:43 PM |
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I am convinced of same |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 07:44 PM |
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K&R! |
bonito |
Oct-17-07 07:36 PM |
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Everything necessary for a successful impeachment can be won through strong investigation |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 07:36 PM |
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Meanwhile |
countingbluecars |
Oct-17-07 07:39 PM |
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But why support a failed impeachment when a stronger investigation would be more effective? |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 07:43 PM |
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Because calling for a failed impeachment allows them to call others names |
cuke |
Oct-17-07 07:58 PM |
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You can absolutely argue, however, that the Democrats aren't pushing investigation enough |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 08:02 PM |
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Definitely |
cuke |
Oct-17-07 08:38 PM |
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Who is "them"? |
countingbluecars |
Oct-17-07 08:05 PM |
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Failed Impeachment? |
Me. |
Oct-17-07 08:20 PM |
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Where are the votes? How will immediate impeachment provide more votes? |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 08:23 PM |
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I Wonder If Talk Of WWIII |
Me. |
Oct-17-07 08:33 PM |
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There's no question building up Iran as a threat has some intention to distract |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 08:38 PM |
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Good Excuses For Doing Nothing |
Me. |
Oct-17-07 08:49 PM |
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We need to examine the risks. Not just spout "we will be greeted as liberators" wishful thinking |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 08:52 PM |
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That Was Iraq |
Me. |
Oct-17-07 10:07 PM |
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Well, are the risks acceptable to you? Would a "not guilty" result be okay by you? |
jpgray |
Oct-17-07 11:10 PM |
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Oh, Look Up In The Sky, No Look Over There |
Me. |
Oct-17-07 11:52 PM |
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Wrong. |
kenfrequed |
Oct-18-07 10:55 AM |
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We shouldn't sit idle. And I doubt many Republicans support impeaching Bush |
jpgray |
Oct-18-07 02:31 PM |
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No |
kenfrequed |
Oct-18-07 03:59 PM |
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There isn't going to BE any goddamn "failed impeachment"!!! |
Raksha |
Oct-18-07 07:13 PM |
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This is silly |
kenfrequed |
Oct-18-07 11:24 AM |
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I thought that |
freebrew |
Oct-18-07 08:20 AM |
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No... Nixon tried to use executive privilege to avoid |
redqueen |
Oct-18-07 10:49 AM |
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This is nonsense |
kenfrequed |
Oct-18-07 02:29 PM |
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It all happened in the Nixon era. If I were you, I would read up on that time |
jpgray |
Oct-18-07 03:08 PM |
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It's a vital component to our democracy which should not be trivialized. |
Gregorian |
Oct-17-07 07:40 PM |
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An aide to a |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:46 PM |
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That's my take as well... the longer we let the Constitutional violations continue the more danger |
Blackhatjack |
Oct-17-07 07:49 PM |
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Maybe we should send the PBS Frontline link |
malaise |
Oct-17-07 07:41 PM |
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Good idea. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:48 PM |
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If they've read and appreciated it, I wish they'd move on it. nt |
gateley |
Oct-17-07 09:28 PM |
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Can we impeach Pelosi if she won't impeach Bush? |
Rageneau |
Oct-17-07 07:44 PM |
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No, but she could be recalled |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 07:46 PM |
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OK, a recall threat then -- ANYthing to make her do her sworn duty. |
Rageneau |
Oct-17-07 07:50 PM |
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Should have happened in January |
Baby Snooks |
Oct-17-07 08:32 PM |
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The widely held and almost certainly correct view is that members of congress can't be recalled |
onenote |
Oct-17-07 11:26 PM |
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and scotus, i believe. nt |
tomp |
Oct-18-07 12:42 AM |
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I'm in favor |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:50 PM |
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Very true |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 07:52 PM |
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It would be a good start. - n/t |
porphyrian |
Oct-17-07 07:44 PM |
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Yep. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:06 PM |
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Impeach Cheney Now |
DemReadingDU |
Oct-17-07 07:44 PM |
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Very important! |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:04 PM |
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That's your daughter, yes? |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-17-07 07:48 PM |
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Yep. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:02 PM |
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With you as her dad, |
rosesaylavee |
Oct-17-07 09:04 PM |
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I'm newly on-board with this (as of this afternoon!) so I have a couple impeachment |
gateley |
Oct-17-07 07:50 PM |
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Ok the impeachmet is |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 07:53 PM |
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Grand juries don't convict. They indict |
cuke |
Oct-17-07 08:00 PM |
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Thanks and I like your new avatar! :-) nt |
gateley |
Oct-17-07 09:19 PM |
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Thanks for making it easily understandable! nt |
gateley |
Oct-17-07 09:18 PM |
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Impeachment |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 07:58 PM |
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If I may, this is one of the problems we have today |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 08:10 PM |
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Thanks again! nt |
gateley |
Oct-17-07 09:21 PM |
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Very interesting. And thanks to you too for contributing to my education! nt |
gateley |
Oct-17-07 09:20 PM |
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Article Two Section four |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 08:07 PM |
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Yes. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:09 PM |
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There's no excuse for not impeaching the worst president in U.S. history. |
8_year_nightmare |
Oct-17-07 08:08 PM |
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When people take |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:10 PM |
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Impeachment is essential. |
bleever |
Oct-17-07 08:20 PM |
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Oh, that |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:28 PM |
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Huzzah! I have been saying this for a long time, but not as succinctly as you did, here. |
hisownpetard |
Oct-17-07 09:03 PM |
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yes!!! nt |
tomp |
Oct-18-07 12:46 AM |
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Here's who's supporting impeachment: |
me b zola |
Oct-17-07 08:21 PM |
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Thank you! |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:31 PM |
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nicely done! |
robinlynne |
Oct-17-07 11:01 PM |
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kick for impeachment now n/t |
antigop |
Oct-17-07 08:25 PM |
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Yep. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:43 PM |
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i agree, impeachment now! duty calls |
spanone |
Oct-17-07 08:33 PM |
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Exactly right. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:47 PM |
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Hell yeah! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-17-07 08:41 PM |
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I think it is |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 08:53 PM |
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And I think you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-17-07 08:59 PM |
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And I think the same thing today! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-18-07 10:35 AM |
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I come here every day for this. Thanks.... |
midnight |
Oct-17-07 08:44 PM |
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Thank you. |
H2O Man |
Oct-17-07 09:09 PM |
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Hey, folks -- we got another co-sponsor of H.Res.333--Rep Watson, Diane E. [CA-33] - 10/16/2007 |
antigop |
Oct-17-07 08:47 PM |
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I need to put pressure on mine again |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 08:51 PM |
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!!!! |
Gregorian |
Oct-17-07 09:09 PM |
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We had a shot, till the progressives screwed it up. |
Perry Logan |
Oct-17-07 08:50 PM |
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?????????????????????? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-17-07 09:08 PM |
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Oh yeah, yer the guy who makes those fucked-up videos. |
Jim Sagle |
Oct-18-07 12:37 AM |
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Yes, please. |
hisownpetard |
Oct-17-07 08:54 PM |
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"Yes" |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 06:32 AM |
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Yes, yes, yes! I feel that it's our duty to impeach. We cannot let all the insane excesses and |
hisownpetard |
Oct-18-07 12:29 PM |
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Yes! n/t |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 12:48 PM |
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Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. |
L0oniX |
Oct-17-07 08:58 PM |
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Impeachment proceedings |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 06:34 AM |
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Yes. Impeach now...where can I get one of those stickers? |
Xenotime |
Oct-17-07 09:21 PM |
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Kick |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-17-07 10:08 PM |
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Impeach em both! And read the Constitution people! It ROCKS! |
TheGoldenRule |
Oct-17-07 10:18 PM |
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Read the Constitution. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 07:30 AM |
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Me too! |
TheGoldenRule |
Oct-18-07 10:47 AM |
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Our own political system of elections is not as corrupted as these countries listed |
bigtree |
Oct-17-07 10:38 PM |
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"complete upheaval" |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 05:56 AM |
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I can only imagine how much H20 Girl must mean to you. |
TahitiNut |
Oct-17-07 10:49 PM |
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Thank you. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 10:08 AM |
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Damned right, impeachment now. And for those who are against it, |
Joe Fields |
Oct-17-07 11:19 PM |
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Great point. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 10:09 AM |
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IMPEACH!!! |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-17-07 11:20 PM |
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It's the American |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 10:10 AM |
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kick |
me b zola |
Oct-17-07 11:22 PM |
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agreed... |
bridgit |
Oct-17-07 11:29 PM |
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Kickin' for the Water Man. |
byronius |
Oct-18-07 12:57 AM |
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Thank you. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 11:45 AM |
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Kick |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-18-07 02:32 AM |
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Impeach. |
democrank |
Oct-18-07 03:51 AM |
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I agree ..... |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 11:46 AM |
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Listen up all you passionate pro-impeachment DU members. |
apex nerd |
Oct-18-07 04:23 AM |
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Gosh. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 06:12 AM |
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WTF? |
Binka |
Oct-18-07 03:32 PM |
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Hi, Binka! |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 04:14 PM |
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There is no TIME!!! |
lame54 |
Oct-18-07 04:54 AM |
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Sorry the number you have dialed |
kiloman |
Oct-18-07 05:12 AM |
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It's what I've said since the next day after we won back the majority |
Hubert Flottz |
Oct-18-07 05:31 AM |
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Amen! K&R! |
Joanne98 |
Oct-18-07 08:29 AM |
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K&R! |
utopiansecretagent |
Oct-18-07 10:13 AM |
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That is a fantastic picture! |
lonestarnot |
Oct-18-07 10:15 AM |
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May be a dumb question but... |
EnviroBat |
Oct-18-07 10:41 AM |
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As Malcolm X used |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 10:52 AM |
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K & R |
sce56 |
Oct-18-07 10:55 AM |
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When this session started, I thought... 'investigations first... those will lead to impeachment' |
redqueen |
Oct-18-07 10:58 AM |
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Exactly right. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 11:05 AM |
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I was thinking that at the time also |
crickets |
Oct-18-07 01:36 PM |
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IMPEACHMENT |
rockybelt |
Oct-18-07 11:04 AM |
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Hi rockybelt... |
redqueen |
Oct-18-07 11:12 AM |
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The people in Power in the USA, |
zidzi |
Oct-18-07 11:23 AM |
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K&R. Impeachment is a health food that should always be on the table. |
robertpaulsen |
Oct-18-07 11:51 AM |
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Yes, indeed. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 11:58 AM |
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As far as I am concerned... |
RoccoR5955 |
Oct-18-07 11:54 AM |
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I prefer "chimpeachment" but impeachment will do as well. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Oct-18-07 12:15 PM |
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kick |
lonestarnot |
Oct-18-07 12:24 PM |
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I agree wholeheartedly, but is there a will? |
saddlesore |
Oct-18-07 01:27 PM |
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Yes |
T.Ruth2power |
Oct-18-07 01:33 PM |
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Center for Constitutional Rights. |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 02:04 PM |
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Have. |
lonestarnot |
Oct-18-07 02:40 PM |
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I have. I was one of the "early birds." |
TahitiNut |
Oct-18-07 07:41 PM |
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Sooner |
spanone |
Oct-18-07 02:07 PM |
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Great post! Where have I've seen that sticker? LOL! |
0007 |
Oct-18-07 03:05 PM |
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We must impeach cheney 1st |
Pastiche423 |
Oct-18-07 03:56 PM |
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Pelosi's shown her true worth by 'taking impeachment off the table'. |
acmavm |
Oct-18-07 05:11 PM |
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I certainly understand |
H2O Man |
Oct-18-07 06:16 PM |
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So you're saying Pelosi doesn't have the BALLS |
Raksha |
Oct-18-07 07:49 PM |
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I said she's made a mockery of being the first woman speaker in |
acmavm |
Oct-19-07 05:13 AM |
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Okay, thanks for clarifying. |
Raksha |
Oct-19-07 05:41 AM |
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I think she |
H2O Man |
Oct-19-07 05:48 AM |
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Error: You've already recommended that thread. |
spanone |
Oct-18-07 05:12 PM |
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Just in case you. |
roxnev |
Oct-18-07 06:57 PM |
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I couldn't agree more, H2O Man! And the photo of your beautiful daughter reminds me of why |
PA Democrat |
Oct-19-07 06:35 AM |
#188 |