| 12. Apparently the life of one teenage boy. |
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I'm glad we have that particular economic question answered.  |
| -Teenager Shot And Killed After Allegedly Stealing Bale Of Hay |
The Straight Story |
Oct-16-07 10:11 AM |
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Let me start this one |
atreides1 |
Oct-16-07 10:16 AM |
#1 |
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shoot first, think later... |
hlthe2b |
Oct-16-07 10:18 AM |
#3 |
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Yep |
TX-RAT |
Oct-16-07 10:23 AM |
#7 |
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I guess you missed the part were they say the guns were unloaded.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 10:31 AM |
#18 |
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Nope, i seen it |
TX-RAT |
Oct-16-07 10:42 AM |
#23 |
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And of course because he says so makes it so. |
tabasco |
Oct-16-07 10:43 AM |
#25 |
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At this point his story has just as much credibility as the other. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-16-07 10:52 AM |
#26 |
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Lies of a criminal? |
mvccd1000 |
Oct-16-07 11:06 AM |
#32 |
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Uh, a kid swiping a hay bale to use in a Halloween scene set up |
NCevilDUer |
Oct-16-07 11:20 AM |
#43 |
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I was referring to the post above me, where it was said that... |
mvccd1000 |
Oct-16-07 11:35 AM |
#47 |
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well, they were trying to get into a gun range |
fishwax |
Oct-16-07 02:50 PM |
#97 |
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STEALING IS A CRIME |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 11:48 AM |
#49 |
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and we DON'T believe in the DEATH PENALTY for property theft.... |
Scout |
Oct-16-07 12:52 PM |
#52 |
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Are you okay with killing the kid? |
Swede |
Oct-16-07 12:54 PM |
#53 |
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This is one sick post |
malaise |
Oct-16-07 01:29 PM |
#56 |
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Murder is appropriate punishment for stealing a bale of hay? |
wicket |
Oct-16-07 01:34 PM |
#57 |
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I never said the kid should have been shot or even shot at. |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 01:43 PM |
#61 |
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Well, while stealing is a crime, he was never convicted of stealing :) |
The Straight Story |
Oct-16-07 01:51 PM |
#69 |
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my original comment was in response to comment #43: |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 01:55 PM |
#71 |
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I have myself |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 02:02 PM |
#74 |
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Yes, they were wrong for shooting at you |
gollygee |
Oct-16-07 02:04 PM |
#75 |
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well, one thing my mom did do for me |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 02:25 PM |
#83 |
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If they shoot at you and hit you, that is not an accident |
gollygee |
Oct-16-07 02:29 PM |
#85 |
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I guess I just see it differently. |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 02:36 PM |
#86 |
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I would have waited an hour for the police |
gollygee |
Oct-16-07 02:41 PM |
#89 |
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So you advocate for vigilante justice and irresponsible use of firearms... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:42 PM |
#90 |
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no I advocate that my actions were wrong |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 02:45 PM |
#92 |
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Just because one person, or group of people, act irresponsibly, doesn't give yet another person or.. |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:48 PM |
#94 |
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If you belive that sort of thing deserves deadly force, |
Bassic |
Oct-17-07 10:57 AM |
#181 |
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and by the way |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 02:51 PM |
#99 |
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And now I know your malfunction, property, in your world, is worth more than human beings. |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:55 PM |
#101 |
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no, I would neve shot at someone unless |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 03:01 PM |
#103 |
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And that is just as wrong... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 03:07 PM |
#105 |
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You're all over the place buddy |
wicket |
Oct-16-07 04:31 PM |
#120 |
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maybe so, |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 04:52 PM |
#122 |
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I don't either, but MURDER is a ton worse than what the young men may/may not have done |
wicket |
Oct-16-07 08:48 PM |
#138 |
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How do you define murder? |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 07:11 AM |
#146 |
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Why do you keep trying to change the subject from the topic at hand? |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 08:25 AM |
#147 |
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I believe I do understand. |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 08:55 AM |
#148 |
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Sounds an awful like blaming the victim |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 08:56 AM |
#149 |
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so are you saying the victim has no responsibility for the choice |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 08:58 AM |
#151 |
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He was a kid, he did something stupid, but did not deserved to be killed over a bail of hay |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:00 AM |
#152 |
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I have been very clear on my view of the trigger-happy guy |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 09:11 AM |
#155 |
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You made some knee jerk reactions in attempting to blame the victims |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:15 AM |
#157 |
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I don't think that I had a knee-jerk reaciton |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 09:23 AM |
#160 |
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Seems both of you have forgot one little detail. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 09:02 AM |
#153 |
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That's what he, who has been charged with murder, says |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:06 AM |
#154 |
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The boy who survived the attack begs to differ. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 09:25 AM |
#161 |
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Why do you take the word of someone charged with murder? |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:26 AM |
#162 |
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Why do you take the word of someone charged with murder? |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 09:49 AM |
#167 |
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Doesn't seem like he's lying about what he did. He admits it, in fact. |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 10:21 AM |
#172 |
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I'm not to sure about that. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 10:36 AM |
#174 |
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Post 54 has video of truck and gun, which was scoped. NT |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 10:52 AM |
#180 |
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Thank you, didn't see the video in that link. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 11:06 AM |
#184 |
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The Columbus Disppatch carried a story yesterday |
Hangingon |
Oct-17-07 08:24 PM |
#195 |
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that is an excellent point. |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 09:14 AM |
#156 |
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The fatal shot came when they were 1/4 mile down the road in their truck with their backs to him |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:17 AM |
#158 |
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a quarter of a mile is not that far. |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 09:27 AM |
#163 |
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It's far enough for them to not have been a threat to him |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:29 AM |
#164 |
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The fatal shot came when they were 1/4 mile down the road |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 09:44 AM |
#166 |
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No worries |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:49 AM |
#168 |
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That's the way it is around here. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-17-07 09:55 AM |
#169 |
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Good to hear Vermont & Texas are alike like that |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 10:43 AM |
#179 |
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Whether or not their actions were wrong is irrelevant. |
Bassic |
Oct-17-07 11:02 AM |
#182 |
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so if someone walks out in front your car and you hit and kill them |
thebighart |
Oct-17-07 11:38 AM |
#189 |
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Apples and oranges buddy. |
Bassic |
Oct-17-07 12:25 PM |
#190 |
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Being a Shooting Victim Doesn't Absolve Anyone of Personal Responsibility for Thieving |
Crisco |
Oct-16-07 03:03 PM |
#104 |
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He is responsible for stealing hay, but not for being shot |
gollygee |
Oct-16-07 03:08 PM |
#106 |
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The caretaker had a choice, to shoot or not to shoot, he chose wrong. |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 03:16 PM |
#109 |
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If you accept responsibility for your own actions, you can't be a good DUer. |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 02:40 PM |
#88 |
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Yes, that is EXACTLY it... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:46 PM |
#93 |
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Apparently you do not know the definition of murder. |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 06:07 PM |
#127 |
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It wasn't First Degree Murder, but Second Degree, sounds like it to me... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 06:32 PM |
#133 |
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And you know the shooter's intentions how? |
Oeditpus Rex |
Oct-17-07 04:07 AM |
#144 |
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Um, 'cause he shot at them? |
High Plains |
Oct-17-07 10:16 AM |
#170 |
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The kids are responsible for their actions, and the guy who shot the kid is responsible for his |
gollygee |
Oct-16-07 02:48 PM |
#95 |
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I agree completely |
thebighart |
Oct-16-07 02:55 PM |
#100 |
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I don't believe he was trying to hurt let alone kill anyone. |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 06:08 PM |
#128 |
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Is that why he aimed square in the kids back? With a scope? |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 06:16 PM |
#129 |
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What the fuck was he doing shooting at them then? |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 06:28 PM |
#131 |
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Sorry, what you and your friends did shouldn't warrant death. |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-16-07 02:49 PM |
#96 |
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repukes think like that |
Skittles |
Oct-17-07 03:39 AM |
#142 |
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Yup |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:31 AM |
#165 |
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So is shooting people. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Oct-16-07 05:54 PM |
#125 |
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Last time I checked, murder/manslaughter is a crime. |
tabasco |
Oct-16-07 02:44 PM |
#91 |
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To some people, life isn't worth much. n/t |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:56 PM |
#102 |
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Amazing how people rush to the defense of a thief, too.... |
mvccd1000 |
Oct-17-07 02:43 AM |
#141 |
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Christ Almighty. How dense are you? |
tabasco |
Oct-17-07 09:58 PM |
#196 |
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Apparently not as dense as some.... |
mvccd1000 |
Oct-18-07 10:16 AM |
#197 |
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Tennesee vs. Garner n/t |
KeineAhnung |
Oct-17-07 02:20 PM |
#192 |
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Shooting the kid gor him a murder charge. Real bright. |
rug |
Oct-16-07 08:52 PM |
#139 |
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This IS what passes for thinking ... |
damntexdem |
Oct-16-07 12:37 PM |
#50 |
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Damn straight, lord only knows what that boy would have done to that hay |
The Straight Story |
Oct-16-07 10:18 AM |
#4 |
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Musta been one slow bullet... |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 10:17 AM |
#2 |
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The shooter has been charged with murder & attempted murder |
wicket |
Oct-16-07 10:20 AM |
#5 |
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Theft of property is not a defense to homicide. |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 10:25 AM |
#10 |
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Right on |
wicket |
Oct-16-07 10:28 AM |
#17 |
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Not just my opinion. It's law in Ohio. |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 10:33 AM |
#19 |
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What is the law regarding fleeing felons? |
krispos42 |
Oct-16-07 01:54 PM |
#70 |
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You're assuming they are felons. Why? |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-16-07 03:12 PM |
#107 |
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Robbery is a felony. |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 03:41 PM |
#113 |
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Ah, there wasn't a trial or conviction and, anyway, I don't believe |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 10:25 AM |
#173 |
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Robbery (not merely theft) is always a felony. |
Deep13 |
Oct-17-07 10:37 AM |
#175 |
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Robbing at gunpoint |
krispos42 |
Oct-17-07 03:55 AM |
#143 |
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Won't know until the trial whether the jury/judge believes that |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 10:41 AM |
#177 |
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It is not my "assertion" that shooting felons is okay |
krispos42 |
Oct-17-07 11:04 AM |
#183 |
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Sorry for misinterpeting your earlier post :) NT |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 11:17 AM |
#185 |
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No problem! |
krispos42 |
Oct-17-07 11:36 AM |
#187 |
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Deadly force may only be used to prevent an imminent, ... |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 03:37 PM |
#112 |
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At least not in Ohio |
slackmaster |
Oct-16-07 02:24 PM |
#82 |
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I'm guessing that the law there assumes... |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 03:42 PM |
#114 |
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It's based on a presumption that a nocturnal intruder is a cattle rustler or horse thief |
slackmaster |
Oct-16-07 04:06 PM |
#117 |
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How many arms did these kids have? |
Chulanowa |
Oct-16-07 10:23 AM |
#6 |
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Darn right, what's a little stealing among friends? |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 10:26 AM |
#11 |
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And the "hard of reading" crowd comes out to play |
Chulanowa |
Oct-16-07 10:42 AM |
#24 |
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The bottom line is pretty fucking simple: If they hadn't been stealing, they |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 11:07 AM |
#33 |
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And, of course, we only have his word for that too... There was no mention |
1monster |
Oct-16-07 11:16 AM |
#38 |
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Since when is stealing a capital offense? nt |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-16-07 01:45 PM |
#64 |
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Damn Right! |
DrunkenMaster |
Oct-16-07 01:45 PM |
#65 |
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I think KarlSchneider is just itching to use his popgun on someone. |
Swede |
Oct-16-07 01:49 PM |
#67 |
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If they had firearms in their possession, it is a felony. n/t |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 03:45 PM |
#115 |
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IF they had. That's for a judge/jury to decide...not the caretaker. NT |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 10:42 AM |
#178 |
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You misunderstand the point. |
Deep13 |
Oct-17-07 11:36 AM |
#188 |
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Except in this case they were fleeing in a truck a quarter of a mile away |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-17-07 05:31 PM |
#193 |
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Then he's guilty of murder. |
Deep13 |
Oct-17-07 07:26 PM |
#194 |
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Fair enough |
YankmeCrankme |
Oct-18-07 11:33 AM |
#198 |
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Ohio follows the retreat rule. |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 10:28 AM |
#16 |
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They had 4 |
Squatch |
Oct-16-07 11:25 AM |
#46 |
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Where did you get that info? It wasn't in the article which said only that |
1monster |
Oct-16-07 02:38 PM |
#87 |
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I just had to rely on my rudimentary understanding of math and biology. |
Squatch |
Oct-16-07 06:31 PM |
#132 |
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He's being cute. Two "arms" as in legs and arms. n/t |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 06:49 PM |
#136 |
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Ahh... Okay. got it. maybe a little slow, but I'll blame that on the red tide and a cold. nt |
1monster |
Oct-16-07 09:05 PM |
#140 |
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How much is one bale of hay worth, anyway? nt |
Momgonepostal |
Oct-16-07 10:23 AM |
#8 |
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Apparently the life of one teenage boy. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Oct-16-07 10:27 AM |
#12 |
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Four dollars - according to the kids mother. |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 10:27 AM |
#13 |
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Around here, its about $2.50. |
cornermouse |
Oct-16-07 10:34 AM |
#21 |
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Well, with the late frost & drought hay is worth a fortune just south of Ohio |
tuckessee |
Oct-16-07 10:53 AM |
#27 |
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yup, gonna' be a tough winter her in VA, too |
soothsayer |
Oct-16-07 12:44 PM |
#51 |
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Decent hay in Calif. is up to $15 a bale |
doodadem |
Oct-16-07 11:09 AM |
#34 |
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Round bales in the Southeast- 65 bucks!!!!!!!!! |
Wcross |
Oct-16-07 11:20 AM |
#44 |
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OT, but good luck with your case |
renate |
Oct-16-07 02:18 PM |
#78 |
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Isn't this a gun masturbator's wet dream? To kill someone for stealing?... |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 10:25 AM |
#9 |
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Um, no |
krispos42 |
Oct-16-07 01:45 PM |
#63 |
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LOL. Thanks for not reading the thread before you run your mouth. |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 02:13 PM |
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I was just following your example |
krispos42 |
Oct-16-07 02:22 PM |
#80 |
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He can't talk. He has his hands full, |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 03:13 PM |
#108 |
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Are You A Gun Masturbator? |
ProfessorGAC |
Oct-16-07 02:24 PM |
#81 |
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Doh! |
devilgrrl |
Oct-16-07 10:27 AM |
#14 |
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Did you read the whole story?????? n/t |
Wcross |
Oct-16-07 10:35 AM |
#22 |
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Okay... |
devilgrrl |
Oct-16-07 11:01 AM |
#31 |
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True. But I just wanted to point out there are conflicting stories. |
Wcross |
Oct-16-07 11:17 AM |
#39 |
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Did it not occur to Whisman to simply shoot... |
slor |
Oct-16-07 10:27 AM |
#15 |
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Seems like conflicting stories. |
Wcross |
Oct-16-07 10:34 AM |
#20 |
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Serious contradiction in Whisman's story: |
1monster |
Oct-16-07 10:54 AM |
#28 |
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As I said, I doubt his story but I also find this part odd..... |
Wcross |
Oct-16-07 10:57 AM |
#29 |
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His story has the smell of someone who knows he f-cked up - big time. |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 11:09 AM |
#35 |
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Yes, it does smell. n/t |
Wcross |
Oct-16-07 11:12 AM |
#36 |
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The kid that got shot may have already been sitting. |
TX-RAT |
Oct-16-07 10:59 AM |
#30 |
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Somebody call Arlen Specter STAT! |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-16-07 11:18 AM |
#40 |
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You are forgetting there were two of them |
bamalib |
Oct-16-07 01:57 PM |
#72 |
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Pretty hard to claim the kid was a mortal threat if he was driving away. nt |
Deep13 |
Oct-16-07 11:12 AM |
#37 |
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Where did i say he shot while they were driving away? |
TX-RAT |
Oct-16-07 11:20 AM |
#41 |
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Not necessarily. |
tuckessee |
Oct-16-07 11:20 AM |
#42 |
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Were both kids in the cab of the truck? |
krispos42 |
Oct-16-07 01:58 PM |
#73 |
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Shooting at a theif driving away -- bad; shooting at a thief pointing a gun at you -- justifiable |
aikoaiko |
Oct-16-07 11:21 AM |
#45 |
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Agree 100%. |
mvccd1000 |
Oct-16-07 11:42 AM |
#48 |
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Here's an update. |
Swede |
Oct-16-07 01:06 PM |
#54 |
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Sounds like murder to me... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 01:11 PM |
#55 |
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He probably thought he was just going to put a hole in the bed of their truck and scare them |
aikoaiko |
Oct-16-07 01:37 PM |
#58 |
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You would think that someone who is familiar with guns would know that there are no... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 01:39 PM |
#59 |
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Totally agree with you. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-16-07 01:40 PM |
#60 |
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You DO NOT "Shoot to Kill" |
qdemn7 |
Oct-17-07 04:26 AM |
#145 |
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If That ... |
Crisco |
Oct-16-07 03:28 PM |
#110 |
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On the contrary, unless he was firing with a handgun, or a .22 rifle... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 03:35 PM |
#111 |
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Well, most center-fire rifle cartridges could go through both easily. |
aikoaiko |
Oct-16-07 04:01 PM |
#116 |
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If you watch the video in the OP you will see the bullet struck.... |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 05:56 PM |
#126 |
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there was no mention of a scope. Why are you lying about this? |
karlrschneider |
Oct-16-07 06:21 PM |
#130 |
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Hey, just because you are ignorant of the facts, that doesn't make other people liars. |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-16-07 06:46 PM |
#135 |
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Great info, thanks for posting that |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 09:19 AM |
#159 |
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No problem. Do you hear those crickets chirping from that other poster? n/t |
Kingshakabobo |
Oct-17-07 11:22 AM |
#186 |
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I'm hearing A LOT of crickets on this thread |
wicket |
Oct-17-07 01:25 PM |
#191 |
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The first shot was fine. The second was murder. |
Xithras |
Oct-16-07 01:44 PM |
#62 |
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Nothing wrong with that? |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 01:51 PM |
#68 |
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True enough |
KurtNYC |
Oct-16-07 02:13 PM |
#76 |
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I just get pissed of at people that carry no respect for the lethality of firearms and... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:19 PM |
#79 |
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Read my post again, I live in the boonies. |
Xithras |
Oct-16-07 04:12 PM |
#118 |
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Living in the boonies isn't a defense, using a shotgun might, as long as you don't... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 05:46 PM |
#123 |
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In addition to that, you commit a felony every time you use the gun as you described... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 02:15 PM |
#77 |
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Only illegal in urban areas. I don't live in an urban (or even suburban) area. |
Xithras |
Oct-16-07 04:22 PM |
#119 |
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As far as I can tell, there is no exceptions for rural areas... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 05:54 PM |
#124 |
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Actually, there IS no specific law against it. |
Xithras |
Oct-16-07 06:41 PM |
#134 |
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I stand corrected then(after an exhaustive search on Google)... |
Solon |
Oct-16-07 07:17 PM |
#137 |
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Well, if that's true, it's some form of homicide |
krispos42 |
Oct-16-07 01:46 PM |
#66 |
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Sounds like an inappropriate use of deadly force |
slackmaster |
Oct-16-07 02:26 PM |
#84 |
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Unless the kid threatened the shooter |
TX-RAT |
Oct-16-07 04:35 PM |
#121 |
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How stupid must someone be to use deadly force over a lousy |
Vinca |
Oct-16-07 02:51 PM |
#98 |
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Bizzaro world. |
lonestarnot |
Oct-17-07 08:57 AM |
#150 |
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If the hay was so dear to the owner, why didn't he write down... |
Zookeeper |
Oct-17-07 10:20 AM |
#171 |
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Sometime Bale Napping can have deadly consequences...poor kid...all he had to do was ask.... |
opihimoimoi |
Oct-17-07 10:41 AM |
#176 |
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