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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-17-07 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #185
198. Is anyone suggesting she would accomplish nothing?
without Bill?

Reading through, it seems there's general agreement she'd be very successful.
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  -Where Would Ms. Clinton Be Without Bill?? OrangeCountyDemocrat  Oct-16-07 09:39 AM   #0 
  - sexist dribble.... and i'm not even a HRC supporter  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 09:43 AM   #1 
  - Exactly  Annces   Oct-16-07 09:49 AM   #8 
  - As one who has been involved in  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:03 AM   #29 
  - that's a form of militant feminism, I can do without  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:07 AM   #33 
  - That's not what I said, but of course,  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:19 AM   #44 
     - That's not true  cuke   Oct-16-07 12:56 PM   #147 
        - Cuke, you are obviously quite accurate...  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 03:46 PM   #155 
  - She was "awarded" a Senate seat? What do you get out of insulting the Demoratic  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:10 AM   #36 
  - Yes, my dear, awarded.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:22 AM   #50 
  - No, you have no respect for Democrats. You've insulted an entire state of NY Dems.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:24 AM   #54 
  - I've stated my position quite clearly.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:32 AM   #73 
     - Yes, you've made your disdain for the Democratic base quite clear.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:35 AM   #80 
        - Again, incorrect.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:37 AM   #86 
           - Now that Democratic party of NY state are "sheep posing as people"?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:42 AM   #93 
              - No, the Democratic Party of NY state  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:46 AM   #101 
                 - The Dem party of NY state is comprised of people - Democrats. You know, the people  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:49 AM   #105 
                    - That's not what you said.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:52 AM   #110 
                       - Terminology? That ought to be good.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:52 AM   #111 
  - "The Machine"  Ewellian   Oct-16-07 04:00 PM   #157 
     - Oh, don't be silly.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 04:23 PM   #159 
  - As a New Yorker , I have to say that the party in this state is pathetic  hedgehog   Oct-16-07 02:15 PM   #151 
  - Too funny. We're radical feminists?!?  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:17 AM   #42 
  - Per post 31, you aren't a feminist BECAUSE you married  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:23 AM   #53 
  - That wasn't the point. It's USING the position of the spouse in the marriage for career benefit. n/t  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:30 AM   #65 
     - SO, she was supposed to divorce Bill before she ran?  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:40 AM   #90 
        - No, she was supposed to accomplish her success  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:49 AM   #106 
           - She had a life and career before she married..  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:55 AM   #115 
  - Me. A radical feminist.  Le Taz Hot   Oct-16-07 10:43 AM   #96 
  - you are through the looking glass  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-16-07 08:38 PM   #196 
  - Accomplished NOTHING on her own....Really!  Lochloosa   Oct-16-07 12:54 PM   #146 
  - How does Hillary set women's rights back by about 50 years?  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 08:36 PM   #195 
  - BS!! If the shoe was on the other foot we'd be saying the same thing.  Dawgs   Oct-16-07 10:10 AM   #37 
  - As a matter of fact you are wrong. I don't pre-judge  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:15 AM   #39 
  - Either you're on the bus or you're off the bus  spotbird   Oct-16-07 10:27 AM   #58 
  - Not sexist dribble -- I'll take a shot at it  Yupster   Oct-16-07 10:37 AM   #85 
  - It wasn't Joan Collins BTW.It was Joan ("don't f88ck with me fellas" ) Crawford and it was Pepsi.  saracat   Oct-16-07 01:55 PM   #150 
  - Amen to that...  youthere   Oct-16-07 10:56 AM   #119 
  - Beg your pardon? I believe the correct word is "drivel" for "dribble" is reserved for sippy cups?  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 12:36 PM   #143 
  - yes without bill she would NEVER have gotten that ivy league education  lionesspriyanka   Oct-16-07 09:44 AM   #2 
  - I believe she has her upper class parents to thank for that  proud2Blib   Oct-16-07 10:04 AM   #31 
     - Upper class parents?????  Frances   Oct-16-07 10:16 AM   #41 
        - Yes, parents and relatives who freely promoted "the lie" that Hillary was named after the  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:21 AM   #46 
        - Her father was a business owner and she grew up in  proud2Blib   Oct-16-07 10:25 AM   #55 
           - She has said that her parents paid her college tuition, but she had to pay for all extras  ElizabethDC   Oct-16-07 10:50 AM   #107 
           - Don't you see? Anyone whose parents helped pay for college has no quaification to  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:54 AM   #113 
           - I was referring to Hillary's mother  Frances   Oct-16-07 11:35 AM   #135 
              - And I was referring to her parents  proud2Blib   Oct-16-07 02:56 PM   #152 
  - Why not ask: Where would Bill be without Hillary?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 09:46 AM   #3 
  - Not a Hillary supporter and I agree 100%  YOY   Oct-16-07 09:56 AM   #14 
  - Exactly!!! I'm sure she advised and supported him every step of the way! nt  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-16-07 10:31 AM   #68 
  - I agree  Frances   Oct-16-07 11:37 AM   #136 
  - thank you, that is the better question, in my opinion n/t  Scout   Oct-16-07 12:29 PM   #141 
  - Yes, but  Ricki   Oct-16-07 09:47 AM   #4 
  - Without Hillary, someone else would be #42. nt  Deep13   Oct-16-07 09:48 AM   #5 
  - It's SEXIST to point out nepotism (when it benefits a woman)  Romulox   Oct-16-07 09:49 AM   #6 
  - Nepotism? Try to learn what words mean before you use them, please.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 09:49 AM   #9 
  - You obviously weren't an English major!  Romulox   Oct-16-07 09:54 AM   #12 
  - Has Bil appointed her President?  sufrommich   Oct-16-07 09:58 AM   #16 
  - Bill appointed her to cabinet level duties during his presidency, yes...  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:00 AM   #23 
  - which has to do with her election in ny how?  lionesspriyanka   Oct-16-07 10:02 AM   #25 
  - She was given the support of the party based on her family ties, that's how. nt  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:04 AM   #30 
  - We would want to remember that because?  spotbird   Oct-16-07 10:29 AM   #64 
     - Because it's an example of nepotism. I'm sorry that it's a painful memory...nt  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:35 AM   #81 
  - No but the media has  proud2Blib   Oct-16-07 10:48 AM   #102 
  - And you're saying the electorate of NY elected her because of kinship?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 09:58 AM   #17 
  - Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying. In addition, she got the funding  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:01 AM   #24 
     - Wow, such little respect for the Democratic party. Is that you Bill O'Reilly?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:03 AM   #27 
        - LOL. Having lost the "dictionary wars", Mondo Joe turns to "with us or against us!"  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:05 AM   #32 
           - I'm pretty sure you're the only poster here who believes  sufrommich   Oct-16-07 10:20 AM   #45 
              - That's usually what the "dictionary wars" are about.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:21 AM   #49 
              - No, it's quite apparent HRC was promoted partially through "nepotism"  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:33 AM   #74 
  - this would be true if bill clinton appointed her president, or someone appointed her president  lionesspriyanka   Oct-16-07 09:58 AM   #19 
  - No. Nepotism applies to jobs and privileges that fall short of the Presidency  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:03 AM   #26 
     - Are you thinking rationally?  Frances   Oct-16-07 10:21 AM   #47 
     - You're right. * and HRC are the two most qualified individuals to be President  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:25 AM   #56 
        - That you compare HRC with Bush* in terms of qualfications...  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:37 AM   #83 
           - Both benefit from famous families. Sorry that this (accurate) comparison makes you uncomfortable...  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:39 AM   #87 
              - And by that "logic" then no one from a family history of privilege  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 10:46 AM   #100 
                 - What a bizarre logic. We must ignore nepotism lest a qualified candidate slip through our fingers.  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:50 AM   #109 
                    - Can you possibly keep to the argument at hand  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 11:01 AM   #121 
                       - No, I said both * and HRC benefit from nepotism  Romulox   Oct-16-07 11:07 AM   #124 
     - She's already won the primary,too?  sufrommich   Oct-16-07 10:28 AM   #61 
  - Sophistry!  Truth Hurts A Lot   Oct-16-07 10:50 AM   #108 
     - *favoritism* (as in appointment to a job) based on kinship  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:55 AM   #116 
  - I agree with the nepotism label - HRC got involved in the daily operations which is profoundly  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:28 AM   #59 
     - The fact that you agree with it just confirms how wrong it must be.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:28 AM   #62 
        - Awe, I value your opinion too MJ.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:35 AM   #79 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Oct-16-07 09:50 AM   #10 
  - bullshit  ccpup   Oct-16-07 09:49 AM   #7 
  - exactly, without her man she is nothing.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-16-07 09:51 AM   #11 
     - Doesn't it just make you wanna smack the crap out of something?  Marrah_G   Oct-16-07 09:59 AM   # 
        - i generally want to smack the crap out of stupid people. i think bigots are stupid.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-16-07 10:03 AM   #28 
  - She might still be Senator Clinton  Warpy   Oct-16-07 09:54 AM   #13 
  - Have you read her book?  juajen   Oct-16-07 01:29 PM   #148 
  - Hello? Who said he'd even be Prez without her?  Lex   Oct-16-07 09:56 AM   #15 
  - True if only for the fact that Wifey was ACTIVELY cleaning up his sexual misconduct with his aides.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:22 AM   #51 
     - " . . . Wifey . . . ?"  Lex   Oct-16-07 10:32 AM   #69 
        - Psst! I did that tongue-in-cheek because I knew it would get somebody's goat.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:43 AM   #95 
           - So clever.  Lex   Oct-16-07 11:06 AM   #123 
              - Awe, sure that silly term "wifey" is permanently part of my regular-use vocabulary.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 11:09 AM   #126 
  - She'd be nothing?  Marrah_G   Oct-16-07 09:58 AM   #18 
  - After all, she's just a woman. It's not as if she has an education or career or aspirations  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:00 AM   #22 
     - It is definitely that  Marrah_G   Oct-16-07 10:13 AM   #38 
  - An Old Joke  Sparkly   Oct-16-07 09:59 AM   #20 
  - She's referred to as Sen. Clinton now.  sufrommich   Oct-16-07 09:59 AM   #21 
  - Well put narrative! IMO, HRC is an Anti-Feminist from the entitled ranks of political royalty.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:08 AM   #34 
  - Yep. And you're a SEXIST for pointing that out.  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:15 AM   #40 
  - Without Bill, she'd be married to an ex-President, a NY Senator, and  Egalitariat   Oct-16-07 10:10 AM   #35 
  - bullshit. utter bullshit. and sexist as it's being pointed out.  kineta   Oct-16-07 10:18 AM   #43 
  - A little reading material. HRC seems to think being first lady is a qualification  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:21 AM   #48 
     - You linked to her biography. What's she supposed to do - leave a blank decade  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:23 AM   # 
        - So her status as Bill's wife is  spotbird   Oct-16-07 10:32 AM   #71 
           - No, you're not following, but I'll help you.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:34 AM   #77 
           - The Goldwater Girl  spotbird   Oct-16-07 10:37 AM   #84 
           - "Qualified to be president"?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:48 AM   #103 
           - No one said she'd be "nowhere" without Bill; she just wouldn't be the heir apparent  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:41 AM   #91 
           - I think you've got it!  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:40 AM   #89 
           - Hey, let's open the floodgates? Us gals can post "married to the boss" on all future resumes.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:45 AM   #99 
              - I'll be gentle as I can: If you start a sentence with "us" gals can...  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 06:16 PM   #160 
  - how about the reverse? Where would Bill have been without HRC?  book_worm   Oct-16-07 10:23 AM   #52 
  - I can only say I am who I am and where I am in part because of my relationship  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:27 AM   #57 
  - Ok I sort of understand your point  never_get_over_it   Oct-16-07 10:28 AM   #60 
  - Ridiclous. Anyone who looks at her biography  OKNancy   Oct-16-07 10:29 AM   #63 
  - Lots of women teach law and work in politics  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:32 AM   #72 
  - You left out that stint  spotbird   Oct-16-07 10:33 AM   #76 
  - "she would have made a huge impact" but not in politics - she hasn't the personality.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:52 AM   #112 
  - Where would Bill have been without Hilary?  LeftCoast   Oct-16-07 10:30 AM   #66 
  - George * Bush got where he is because he was the MOST QUALIFIED  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:30 AM   #67 
  - ooh..ooh....can I play?  onenote   Oct-16-07 10:32 AM   #70 
  - Where would George W. Bush be without Karl Rove?  Sparkly   Oct-16-07 10:33 AM   #75 
  - W. Bush would be President without a famous dad! Realy he would!  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:43 AM   #94 
  - Or W without HW?  spotbird   Oct-16-07 10:34 AM   #78 
  - Yes, I find political royal dynasties very distasteful too.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 10:54 AM   #114 
  - Guess I Did Not See That Coming  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Oct-16-07 10:36 AM   #82 
  - You're still wrong. Part of the reason he was President was because of HER.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 10:39 AM   #88 
  - Well....Let's Compare Them Then?  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Oct-16-07 11:03 AM   #122 
     - I don't know where you keep getting "the right" from. The people have the right to  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 11:12 AM   #128 
        - The American People Have No Choice Unfortunately  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Oct-16-07 11:28 AM   #133 
           - If you think most Americans are so much more stupid than you, Democracy must be a  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 11:31 AM   #134 
  - Would you have voted against Robert Kennedy ,were his  sufrommich   Oct-16-07 10:44 AM   #98 
  - Again you miss the point. She was a highly accomplished person in her own right  book_worm   Oct-16-07 10:57 AM   #120 
  - So Fricking What?  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Oct-16-07 11:07 AM   #125 
     - Nothing gives anyone the right to become president, other than winning more electoral  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 11:10 AM   #127 
     - "entitlement of becoming President"  sufrommich   Oct-16-07 11:16 AM   #129 
     - Tenuous?  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Oct-16-07 11:24 AM   #131 
        - No, I fear that the M$M will turn medieval on her ass - the moment after HRC accepts the nomination.  ShortnFiery   Oct-16-07 12:29 PM   #140 
     - Melinda Gates WAS in a management position at Microsoft before marrying Bill Gates  kineta   Oct-16-07 12:43 PM   #144 
  - The moment you felt the need to refer to her as "Ms. Clinton"  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 11:24 AM   #132 
  - And You Refer To Her As HRC  OrangeCountyDemocrat   Oct-16-07 11:55 AM   #137 
     - Using initials is gender neutral..  hlthe2b   Oct-16-07 12:19 PM   #138 
  - That's interesting.  juajen   Oct-16-07 01:50 PM   #149 
  - The same place Junior would be without Poppy.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-16-07 10:41 AM   #92 
  - Yeppers. Of course you're a SEXIST for pointing that out. :sarcasm: nt  Romulox   Oct-16-07 10:44 AM   #97 
  - In the same way I'm anti-semitic for not liking Lieberman.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-16-07 10:48 AM   #104 
  - At least she was accepted into law school, unlike Junior  herbster   Oct-16-07 03:56 PM   #156 
  - Bill does seem to be her winning formula,everyone in voice chat talks of Bill back in the WH.  cooolandrew   Oct-16-07 10:55 AM   #117 
  - You might ask the same question about Al Gore, or any other VP  Elspeth   Oct-16-07 10:56 AM   #118 
  - Glad to see others called you on the sexism here.  lwfern   Oct-16-07 11:16 AM   #130 
  - IMHO...  hughee99   Oct-16-07 12:28 PM   #139 
  - Maybe the real question should be, "Where would 'Mr. Clinton' be without Hillary?"  Iris   Oct-16-07 12:30 PM   #142 
  - I suppose a question just as valid would be...  LanternWaste   Oct-16-07 12:50 PM   #145 
  - Exactly, she married well  Generator   Oct-16-07 03:28 PM   #153 
  - She was a success on her own before Bill got into politics. Could you at least get your  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 07:11 PM   #163 
  - She was a successful elected politician before marriage?????  Generator   Oct-16-07 07:59 PM   #179 
     - She didn't marry into politics - she worked in a partnership that led to success  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 08:16 PM   #186 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 07:35 PM   #168 
  - Well the first thing I noticed was her dropping the *Rodham* in her name...now  Imagevision   Oct-16-07 03:38 PM   #154 
  - Hillary Rodham would probably have been a successful  Disturbed   Oct-16-07 04:13 PM   #158 
  - I'm starting to get the impression that some folks just aren't totally behind Hillary.  BuyingThyme   Oct-16-07 06:18 PM   #161 
  - In Arkansas where she belongs.  MLFerrell   Oct-16-07 07:09 PM   #162 
  - Why would she be in Arkansas? She's not FROM there.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 07:12 PM   #164 
     - I didn't say she was from there, I said she belongs there.  MLFerrell   Oct-16-07 07:26 PM   #165 
        - Why would she be there without Bill?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 07:27 PM   #166 
           - Do you expect a logical answer?  Katherine Brengle   Oct-16-07 07:36 PM   #169 
              - No, but I have a hard time giving up on logic even where it probably can't be found.  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 07:42 PM   #170 
                 - Indeed, fair enough.  Katherine Brengle   Oct-16-07 07:46 PM   #171 
  - Where would HE be without HER?  Katherine Brengle   Oct-16-07 07:32 PM   #167 
  - A functionary within the Republican Party. eom.  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 07:47 PM   #172 
  - Why would that be? Or do you just like to post bullshit with no link to reality  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 07:48 PM   #173 
     - She worked for Barry Goldwater's campaign and was president of the Young Repubs  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 07:50 PM   #174 
        - And she was a goldwater girl, too...  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 07:52 PM   #176 
           - I think Bill pulled her into the Democrats; she's always been very conservative  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 07:54 PM   #177 
              - Oh, so you're making assumptions about what you think was in her head...  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 08:03 PM   #180 
              - I can't know what she thinks inside any more than you  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 08:06 PM   #181 
                 - Actually, it was the Vietnam war and the death of MLK that did it...  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 08:21 PM   #189 
                    - I read about her opinion on Vietnam in her book  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 08:25 PM   #191 
              - Well you're wrong . She became a Democrat before she MET Bill Clinton. But why bother  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 08:09 PM   #182 
                 - I didn't make anything up; I'm just stating what I believe  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 08:11 PM   #183 
                    - Yes, you are totally making shit up - like when you say Bill "pulled" her into the  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 08:12 PM   #184 
  - You don't think she's accomplished all she has on her own merit?  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 07:50 PM   #175 
  - She's done almost nothing as Senator before running for President  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 07:56 PM   #178 
     - How do you define nothing?  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 08:24 PM   #190 
        - Approval ratings dont mean much in American politics  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 08:32 PM   #192 
           - Votes do and she was re-elected for more than just her husband's name n/t  cynatnite   Oct-16-07 08:34 PM   #193 
              - She outspent Jonathan Tasini 100:1 and was a former first lady  UGADUer   Oct-16-07 08:34 PM   #194 
  - I'm really stunned at how uninformed some people in this thread are  wlucinda   Oct-16-07 08:15 PM   #185 
  - Is anyone suggesting she would accomplish nothing?  Yupster   Oct-17-07 09:38 AM   #198 
     - Yes. Several, including the OP.  wlucinda   Oct-17-07 02:44 PM   #199 
  - Where would Mr. Obama be without Michelle?  Evergreen Emerald   Oct-16-07 08:17 PM   #187 
  - And where would Ted Kennedy be without JFK?  mondo joe   Oct-16-07 08:19 PM   #188 
  - Anyone with their eyes opens knows where she would be or...  superkia   Oct-16-07 10:20 PM   #197 
 

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