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  -RANT: Is it Sophistry Yet? arendt  Oct-16-07 07:32 AM   #0 
  - It could be at least one of two things (or both)  BridgeTheGap   Oct-16-07 07:42 AM   #1 
  - They go together: those lacking critical thinking find sophistry nearly impossible to refute. n/t  arendt   Oct-16-07 07:50 AM   #5 
     - I am not an unintelligent person, but....  DCKit   Oct-16-07 08:10 AM   #9 
        - Sophists have made up their minds....there's no use arguing with them...  KoKo01   Oct-17-07 01:40 PM   #131 
  - "DUers don't do nuance".  Toots   Oct-16-07 07:43 AM   #2 
  - 1010101010101010101010101  WilliamPitt   Oct-16-07 08:20 AM   #12 
     - 真真真  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:11 AM   #45 
        - Binary code, i.e. "black and white"  WilliamPitt   Oct-16-07 10:36 AM   #52 
  - You called me a book-burner for pointing out how different prefascist Germany was from our situation  jpgray   Oct-16-07 07:47 AM   #3 
  - What definition of fascism are you using?  redqueen   Oct-16-07 09:38 AM   #35 
  - We do have a fascistic government. We don't have fascism or reaction comparable to Germany's  jpgray   Oct-16-07 09:41 AM   #37 
     - I see what you're saying...  redqueen   Oct-16-07 09:46 AM   #39 
     - The causes, the context, and the methods are different. That doesn't make our plight less dangerous  jpgray   Oct-16-07 10:07 AM   #43 
        - Is it really?  redqueen   Oct-16-07 10:09 AM   #44 
           - I don't think the best arguments against where we're going have enough exposure  jpgray   Oct-16-07 10:14 AM   #46 
              - The arguments against where we're going?  redqueen   Oct-16-07 10:15 AM   #47 
                 - The best arguments -against- our increasing authoritarianism don't have exposure  jpgray   Oct-16-07 10:20 AM   #48 
                    - I see...  redqueen   Oct-16-07 10:25 AM   #49 
                       - ah red, you are a patient queen.  robinlynne   Oct-16-07 10:52 AM   #57 
                       - It's worse in some aspects, better in others  jpgray   Oct-16-07 11:05 AM   #65 
                          - Well of course different...  redqueen   Oct-16-07 11:08 AM   #69 
                             - Now -that's- hard to say. It's difficult to find a historical model that would be a good predictor  jpgray   Oct-16-07 11:15 AM   #70 
                                - Thanks, jpgray.  redqueen   Oct-16-07 11:19 AM   #71 
                                - Regarding this sentence  Uncle Joe   Oct-17-07 09:30 AM   #118 
     - well the interesting thing is that Hitler apparently made alliances initially  tigereye   Oct-16-07 09:55 AM   #40 
     - What you have not  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:35 AM   #51 
     - My husband lived as a child in what was then NAZI Germany.  JDPriestly   Oct-17-07 12:37 AM   #99 
     - So if there are cause and context differences we can't compare outcomes?  kenzee13   Oct-17-07 08:28 AM   #115 
  - And a perfect reason why this is important happened yesterday  EstimatedProphet   Oct-17-07 07:17 AM   #110 
     - Sorry what some of us said is  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 11:20 AM   #123 
        - Yes, it is unwarranted, given the fact that we didn't know anything  EstimatedProphet   Oct-17-07 01:25 PM   #130 
  - K&R, bookmarked and printed.  DCKit   Oct-16-07 07:49 AM   #4 
  - Nihilists:  ret5hd   Oct-16-07 07:52 AM   #6 
  - This is a political discussion board  cali   Oct-16-07 07:54 AM   #7 
  - Dunno about you, but I won't discount everything a person says  redqueen   Oct-16-07 09:39 AM   #36 
     - I'm simply pointing out the irony of the OP's  cali   Oct-16-07 10:01 AM   #42 
        - Being here as long as I have  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:43 AM   #54 
           - As I said, it's always the lens we view things through  cali   Oct-16-07 10:58 AM   #62 
              - One's RIGHT to an opinion (or viewpoint) does NOT equate to VALIDITY ...  TahitiNut   Oct-16-07 11:44 AM   #78 
                 - That's precisely what I said.  cali   Oct-16-07 02:18 PM   #84 
                    - Cali sometimes opinions  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:03 PM   #94 
                       - That's often true  cali   Oct-17-07 04:15 AM   #104 
  - Awesome post ---- Damn, you're good!  Totally Committed   Oct-16-07 07:56 AM   #8 
  - I'd like an answer to that myself. Even OFF of DU I have gotten Hell  Triana   Oct-16-07 08:18 AM   #10 
  - When one's definitions of "fascism" or "police state" become too elastic, they lose meaning  jpgray   Oct-16-07 08:28 AM   #15 
     - How important is the label?  BridgeTheGap   Oct-16-07 09:16 AM   #31 
     - My problem only comes in when we are compared with a particular fascism  jpgray   Oct-16-07 09:27 AM   #34 
     - You don't think so  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:48 AM   #56 
  - Your candidate sucks.  WilliamPitt   Oct-16-07 08:19 AM   #11 
  - On target  baldguy   Oct-16-07 08:26 AM   #13 
  - Great post. n/t  countingbluecars   Oct-16-07 08:27 AM   #14 
  - I actually like the Sophists  alcibiades_mystery   Oct-16-07 08:29 AM   #16 
  - Yep, Plato and Aristotle gave the Sophists a bad reputation they don't deserve.  Odin2005   Oct-16-07 08:53 AM   #26 
     - So from your  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:55 AM   #59 
  - Really good post.  H2O Man   Oct-16-07 08:36 AM   #17 
  - You shouldn't ignore history. You also shouldn't abuse it by hasty or inattentive analogy  jpgray   Oct-16-07 08:40 AM   #20 
  - Comparing the Neocons to the Nazis ignores the detailed surrounding the Nazis' rise to power.  Odin2005   Oct-16-07 08:37 AM   #18 
  - the german communists are now the "terrorists". the idea is to create a common enemy.  robinlynne   Oct-16-07 10:56 AM   #61 
  - In my experience people are getting sick of the "terrah, terrah, terrah!!!" crap.  Odin2005   Oct-16-07 03:24 PM   #87 
     - which has nothing to do with comparing the nazi's use of the communists  robinlynne   Oct-16-07 03:29 PM   #88 
  - Your argument is flawed.  JDPriestly   Oct-17-07 12:52 AM   #100 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 08:37 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 08:43 AM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-16-07 08:52 AM   #24 
     - Edited out  jpgray   Oct-16-07 08:58 AM   #28 
        - Ummm, have I put you on ignore, jp?  tom_paine   Oct-16-07 09:04 AM   #29 
           - Don't apologize--I'm the asshole for making that assumption  jpgray   Oct-16-07 09:12 AM   #30 
              - I understand. We're cool.  tom_paine   Oct-16-07 09:20 AM   #32 
              - I think an extreme level of concern is definitely warranted  jpgray   Oct-16-07 09:25 AM   #33 
              - I'm cool with you jpgrey  Zodiak Ironfist   Oct-16-07 11:06 AM   #66 
  - Hmm.  cali   Oct-16-07 08:40 AM   #21 
  - Hmmm squared  Elspeth   Oct-16-07 10:54 AM   #58 
  - Malcolm X  H2O Man   Oct-16-07 08:44 AM   #23 
  - That's actually a good example of sophistry.  jpgray   Oct-16-07 08:52 AM   #25 
  - Not to mention that it misportrays some DUers as "the enemy"  cuke   Oct-16-07 01:48 PM   #83 
  - That's why the Bushies likely paid those black guys to kill him  tom_paine   Oct-16-07 08:54 AM   #27 
     - Tom.....Tom....Tom.......  spokane   Oct-16-07 11:07 AM   #68 
     - Oh, you believe that the "60s Bushies" had nothing to with those murders  tom_paine   Oct-16-07 11:27 AM   #75 
        - I'm not so sure about Malcolm  spokane   Oct-16-07 11:41 AM   #77 
           - Touche. I withdraw my statement.  tom_paine   Oct-16-07 11:49 AM   #79 
              - Thank God for common sense  spokane   Oct-16-07 10:08 PM   #96 
     - Shortly before  H2O Man   Oct-17-07 09:08 AM   #117 
  - Yes. Yes it is. recommended  dicksteele   Oct-16-07 09:43 AM   #38 
  - Well Done! K & R  Cerridwen   Oct-16-07 09:59 AM   #41 
  - You described "the site that must not be mentioned" to a tee.  Atman   Oct-16-07 10:32 AM   #50 
  - I appreciate your trying to put an intellectual framework on these discussions,  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-16-07 10:43 AM   #53 
  - My favorite way of putting it is that they think Hitler came into existence in September of 1939  sleebarker   Oct-16-07 10:56 AM   #60 
  - Actually the more in depth your knowledge of German history, the less comparable the two become  jpgray   Oct-16-07 10:58 AM   #63 
     - I agree with your point that the context is different  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-16-07 11:07 AM   #67 
     - But you're correct that people who just say "we haven't killed 6 million Jews" are missing something  jpgray   Oct-16-07 11:21 AM   #72 
     - we agree to disagree  spokane   Oct-16-07 11:25 AM   #74 
  - It's 2007.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-16-07 10:47 AM   #55 
  - most excellent post. Thank-you.  robinlynne   Oct-16-07 10:58 AM   #64 
  - No Shit!  progressoid   Oct-16-07 11:21 AM   #73 
  - "Anyone recognize any of these behaviors occurring at DU?"  TahitiNut   Oct-16-07 11:32 AM   #76 
  - Won't allow a slow death, so....  spokane   Oct-16-07 12:18 PM   #80 
  - "To focus on the horse race is to lose sight of the political ideas we hold sacred as a democracy."  hootinholler   Oct-16-07 01:22 PM   #81 
  - Excellent rant  T.Ruth2power   Oct-16-07 01:35 PM   #82 
  - Awesome post! The game plan is to muddy the waters because they can't have people knowing the truth.  TheGoldenRule   Oct-16-07 02:48 PM   #85 
  - Seem sometimes like human bots appear for specific topics. n/t  flashl   Oct-16-07 02:51 PM   #86 
  - Front page kick. n/t  arendt   Oct-16-07 05:27 PM   #89 
  - The sophists are definitely here.  conscious evolution   Oct-16-07 05:53 PM   #90 
  - Kick (_o_) & R  L0oniX   Oct-16-07 07:55 PM   #91 
  - Damn, Loonix, that's a great quote plucked from the past!  tom_paine   Oct-17-07 08:54 AM   #116 
  - can't believe i've missed this thread all day -- wonderful discussion!  nashville_brook   Oct-16-07 08:42 PM   #92 
  - Well said and we know WHO they are  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-16-07 08:46 PM   #93 
  - The more center you move (Hillary) the closer to you move to right  DS1   Oct-16-07 10:05 PM   #95 
  - thank you  barbtries   Oct-16-07 11:47 PM   #97 
  - I have been calling them NAZIS for quite sometime now! I also get locked quite a bit!  sce56   Oct-17-07 12:18 AM   #98 
  - Diagnosis: Impeachophobia  Senator   Oct-17-07 02:39 AM   #101 
  - Thank you for that link  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 02:48 AM   #102 
  - Yes!!!!!!  cornermouse   Oct-17-07 04:10 AM   #103 
  - I have often wondered if it our educational system coupled with...  Pacifist Patriot   Oct-17-07 04:42 AM   #105 
  - Really wanna see this crap? Check out the "untruth" squad in the 9/11 dungeon nt  HamdenRice   Oct-17-07 05:14 AM   #106 
  - I got called a sophist on this site, for claming that the democratic party represented  lvx35   Oct-17-07 05:42 AM   #107 
  - Perceptions are important.  Syntheto   Oct-17-07 05:49 AM   #108 
  - Your very first post! I am honored. Seriously. And it is a very deep, intelligent post...  arendt   Oct-17-07 07:36 AM   #112 
  - Thank you for replying in the same vein.  Syntheto   Oct-17-07 09:59 AM   #121 
  - Counter-point: what is the point of self-censorship against relentless propaganda?  tom_paine   Oct-17-07 09:31 AM   #119 
     - I am humbled by your response to my post, and again  Syntheto   Oct-17-07 11:07 AM   #122 
        - No one is advocating violence. Awareness of a grim situation,  tom_paine   Oct-17-07 11:41 AM   #124 
        - I don't think that you're wrong to worry  Syntheto   Oct-17-07 12:28 PM   #127 
           - Not to be a kiss-ass, and I don't say this to many people but YOU, sir  tom_paine   Oct-17-07 01:02 PM   #129 
              - I understand where your coming from  Syntheto   Oct-17-07 02:09 PM   #132 
        - Welcome to DU by the way  nadinbrzezinski   Oct-17-07 11:44 AM   #125 
           - Thank you,  Syntheto   Oct-17-07 02:31 PM   #133 
  - "The rules must be completely stable."  Aviation Pro   Oct-17-07 06:38 AM   #109 
  - ttt  Blue_Tires   Oct-17-07 07:19 AM   #111 
  - Yeah this is familiar, and obnoxious.  D23MIURG23   Oct-17-07 07:57 AM   #113 
  - Demanding purity  GTurck   Oct-17-07 08:23 AM   #114 
  - Hmm - usually the sophists are the people using the "purity" attack  sleebarker   Oct-17-07 09:44 AM   #120 
     - We agree..  GTurck   Oct-18-07 09:44 AM   #134 
  - wow- lots of interesting posts, and my 2 cents...  kineneb   Oct-17-07 12:25 PM   #126 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-17-07 12:36 PM   #128 
 

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