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critical thinking is in short supply lately at DU. I'm beginning to think of these threads as "apocalypse" threads; not all that different from any end time pattern of thinking where there is a belief in a sudden transformation of our world, into something wholly different. The only thing that really differentiates it from traditional apocalyptic thinking is that this transformation isn't accomplished via supernatural agents. And these folks, like their millenarian cousins, are mighty pleased with their own insider status.
It's the end of the world. Except when it isn't.
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| -Denial |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:30 AM |
#0 |
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No one will listen, nadin.. That is one inconvenient truth. |
tom_paine |
Oct-14-07 02:37 AM |
#1 |
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I know |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:40 AM |
#3 |
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Hmmmm.... |
physioex |
Oct-14-07 02:38 AM |
#2 |
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We have been trained well |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:40 AM |
#4 |
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Denial... |
physioex |
Oct-14-07 02:43 AM |
#5 |
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I'd say there may be some question about Kubler-Ross's ordering being correct, |
bbgrunt |
Oct-14-07 02:37 PM |
#55 |
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are you sure? |
hfojvt |
Oct-14-07 03:15 PM |
#113 |
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If what Ralph Nader said is true about not impeaching Bush, then... |
Selatius |
Oct-14-07 02:43 AM |
#6 |
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There you go... |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:45 AM |
#7 |
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Y'know what was funny? How many DUers decided to shoot the messenger. |
Selatius |
Oct-14-07 02:55 AM |
#9 |
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After tonight that was not a surprising response |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:57 AM |
#10 |
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perfectly stated. nt |
bbgrunt |
Oct-14-07 02:40 PM |
#62 |
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and prevent discussion on the crucial issues that caused people to vote for him. |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 03:15 PM |
#112 |
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Ignorance Is Bliss; Knowing Is Killing Me Slowly, as There Is Nothing I Can Do About It |
Demeter |
Oct-14-07 02:53 AM |
#8 |
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I guess, but I can't stay silent |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:58 AM |
#11 |
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What happened in New Orleans occurred right in front of everybody's face, |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-07 03:16 AM |
#12 |
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I hope we can stop it |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:20 AM |
#13 |
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The sad thing is, we have the lessons of history and the means to access them, yet they are ignored |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-07 03:30 AM |
#14 |
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The problem is that if you raise nazis |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:36 AM |
#15 |
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Speaking of 'anomie' |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-07 03:56 AM |
#16 |
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Wow, some of those photos you took I assume |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:36 PM |
#53 |
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The Sad Thing Is That I Actually Believed It Couldn't |
lligrd |
Oct-14-07 05:51 AM |
#18 |
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"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think." - Hitler |
RFKin2008 |
Oct-14-07 07:00 PM |
#214 |
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Thank you |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-07 08:19 PM |
#217 |
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Good one! |
fortyfeetunder |
Oct-14-07 02:36 PM |
#54 |
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Denial indeed. |
democrank |
Oct-14-07 05:42 AM |
#17 |
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It isn't so much as denial, but people don't pay attention |
DemReadingDU |
Oct-14-07 05:57 AM |
#19 |
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You know where I stand on this issue. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 05:59 AM |
#20 |
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Denial |
Afje |
Oct-14-07 06:32 AM |
#21 |
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On edit, I get what you mean |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 07:52 AM |
#24 |
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Sure it can happen here. And none of the posters |
cali |
Oct-14-07 06:39 AM |
#22 |
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go away cali. you are nasty. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 01:10 PM |
#28 |
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No. Thanks for the ever so kind invitation |
cali |
Oct-14-07 01:13 PM |
#29 |
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good idea. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 01:20 PM |
#31 |
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Trust me. |
Puglover |
Oct-14-07 06:45 PM |
#212 |
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Oh geeeeeez nothing like calling the kettle black |
seemslikeadream |
Oct-14-07 02:10 PM |
#38 |
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and one liners prove your assertion so well. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 02:23 PM |
#41 |
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Let's demonstrate WHY some of what you wrote was challenged |
cali |
Oct-14-07 06:57 AM |
#23 |
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K&R |
bvar22 |
Oct-14-07 12:21 PM |
#25 |
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Eyes that cannot discern the ink in the water... |
BushDespiser12 |
Oct-14-07 12:26 PM |
#26 |
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I think the quote was actually "So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause!" |
calipendence |
Oct-14-07 12:29 PM |
#27 |
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parts of an interview with costa-gavros and jean-claude grumberg, about their film |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 01:17 PM |
#30 |
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You can deplore this administration's crimes without claiming they inevitably lead to Nazi fascism |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 01:22 PM |
#32 |
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Making all arguments that warn of parallels |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 01:28 PM |
#34 |
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Guantanamo is a gulag. It is not however comparable to Soviet gulags or Dachau |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 01:32 PM |
#35 |
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The arguments many are making are trajectory. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 01:38 PM |
#36 |
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No, they are not "trajectory" |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:15 PM |
#39 |
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If you believe that there are elements of a police state,a nd that to continue on this road |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:32 PM |
#49 |
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You can agree that we are on that road, yet disagree that our road resembles that of Germany |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:34 PM |
#51 |
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Wrong, you are misrepresenting the OP |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:37 PM |
#57 |
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By trajectory, I am refering to the steps to shut down a working democracy. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 08:42 PM |
#221 |
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But there have been times this country met all ten steps, and did not proceed to fascism |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:28 PM |
#44 |
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Those had an end game (the wars). They also did not involve acceptance |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 08:36 PM |
#219 |
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The concentration camps in Germany were only able to happen because of |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:31 PM |
#46 |
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But Germany's exemplars of the ten steps were on a wholly different magnitude |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:32 PM |
#47 |
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no. Germany got further along the steps. The whole point here is that the road |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:37 PM |
#56 |
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You are misrepresenting the author and the OP |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:39 PM |
#58 |
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Their path does not resemble ours at all. Proto-fascist Germany is not comparable to where we are |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:40 PM |
#61 |
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And the OP refuses to use anyother example besides Nazi Germany |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:48 PM |
#74 |
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I don't think you read the book, did you? |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:48 PM |
#75 |
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The author believes we are already a fascist nation |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:53 PM |
#82 |
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That would entail looking up her work and posting it for you. So do you think we have a true democra |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:58 PM |
#91 |
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Well, I hate to ask you to do something as difficult |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:06 PM |
#98 |
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I keep telling you to read it, and you say you dont need to, you already know more than the author. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:07 PM |
#99 |
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That's just untrue |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:10 PM |
#105 |
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ok. there are 3 of you attacking her premise, so I may have mixed you up. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:16 PM |
#115 |
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That's how they tend to start. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 08:31 PM |
#218 |
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nope. It stareted in the same way, and progressed slowly. You just know how their |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:47 PM |
#72 |
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It didn't start in the same way. Mass-scale politcal riots and shootings? Economic chaos? |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:50 PM |
#76 |
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as PNAC put it" without 9-11 it would have taken a much longer time here". |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:54 PM |
#84 |
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You didn't answer my questions. Those elements were key in Germany's decline--where are they? |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:55 PM |
#86 |
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Our discussion is about WHAT the 2 GOVERNMENTS did that is similar. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:05 PM |
#96 |
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The government -organized- the brutal, lethal reaction to worker riots in Germany |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:08 PM |
#100 |
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Believe that if you want. or join us and fight it. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:10 PM |
#103 |
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So you deny the violence was govt-organized? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:11 PM |
#106 |
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what violence? what am i supposed to be denying? |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:20 PM |
#121 |
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Post #100 - govt organize violence against workers |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:31 PM |
#136 |
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has nothing to do with this discussion. and, unfortunately, we are headed |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:35 PM |
#143 |
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The violence was HOW Hitler rose to power |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:54 PM |
#163 |
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Fighting it doesn't include making a false historical comparison. That -undermines- the fight |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:13 PM |
#107 |
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I only see 3 people belittling. MOst people, upon hearing her theory get |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:20 PM |
#120 |
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Ask your favorite history professor if our state is much like pre-fascist or fascist Germany |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:23 PM |
#124 |
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are you a history professor? besides what she says is: there are ten steps |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:27 PM |
#130 |
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We've heard about the ten steps |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:34 PM |
#139 |
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Nobody is making that claim. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 08:47 PM |
#222 |
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Thank you for bringing up Argentina |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:08 PM |
#101 |
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That is the part that is puzzling to her |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:56 PM |
#87 |
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That is the part that is puzzling to her |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:56 PM |
#88 |
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And Germans are people too!! |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:58 PM |
#89 |
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How their story ended |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:52 PM |
#81 |
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I will say it one again before you go on IGNORE |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:41 PM |
#64 |
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It's a shame that basic disagreement elicits such a closed-minded response from you |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:42 PM |
#66 |
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You continue to make the unbelievable claim that you want to discuss the METHOD |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:00 PM |
#92 |
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they are comparable |
GreenArrow |
Oct-14-07 06:19 PM |
#208 |
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inevitable it is not. nor is that the argument. What is amazing is that when you |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 01:56 PM |
#37 |
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You are100% wrong |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:19 PM |
#40 |
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You obviously did not read the book! She says there are 10 steps to fascism. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:27 PM |
#42 |
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10 of the 10 occured under Lincoln and FDR--right here. |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:29 PM |
#45 |
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did you read it yet? |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:46 PM |
#71 |
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Don't hide behind the book. I've seen her explain her thesis numerous times |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:51 PM |
#80 |
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It's all she has |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:55 PM |
#85 |
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You're discussing a thesis written about in a book. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:32 PM |
#137 |
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A thesis YOU wont post |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:35 PM |
#142 |
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here you go: the basic thesis is: |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:38 PM |
#148 |
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Only one minor quible, she uses Authoritarian systems |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:39 PM |
#149 |
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ok. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:40 PM |
#153 |
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Well, that explains why you don't see me criticizing Wolf |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:52 PM |
#162 |
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I was talking about the OP, not Wolf |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:32 PM |
#48 |
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The Op, and wolf say no such thing. They both say we are already in the process! |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:39 PM |
#59 |
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But our process doesn't resemble that of Germany--at all! |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:41 PM |
#65 |
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When asked if we are already a fascists state, Wolf said "YES" |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:45 PM |
#70 |
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Wolf believes we are well on the way to fascism. 90% of the way there, in fact. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:28 PM |
#43 |
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Wrong again. Wolf says we are already there |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 02:34 PM |
#50 |
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She would do well to distinguish between fascism and social-fascism |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:36 PM |
#52 |
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read the book. You are arguing semantics, not reality. really. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:40 PM |
#60 |
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read the book. you are arguing and just missing the whole point. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:45 PM |
#67 |
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We are -not- doing the same things as the Nazis, or even Weimar Germany |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:47 PM |
#73 |
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I disagree strongly with you. It is also very easy to see similarities between |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 02:51 PM |
#79 |
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If we were like Germany, Nader and Kucinich would be dead |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 02:54 PM |
#83 |
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wellstone is pretty dead. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:00 PM |
#93 |
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He was not rifle-butted in the face, shot, and dumped in a river |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:06 PM |
#97 |
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Those steps, to me, surely look like fascism. I dont believe there are any true democracies |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:09 PM |
#102 |
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America under FDR? America under Lincoln? Fascism to you? |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:10 PM |
#104 |
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I dont see why you make the comparison at all. FDR tore down corporate power, |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:18 PM |
#118 |
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Ah but FDR meets all ten of Naomi's steps |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:21 PM |
#122 |
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secret prisons? |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:24 PM |
#125 |
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The internment camps don't qualify? If no, then Gitmo doesn't qualify |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:26 PM |
#128 |
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There was torture in the japanese camps? Never heard that before. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:28 PM |
#131 |
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Many died or were permanently injured for lack of medical care |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:35 PM |
#141 |
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no jsut going through the list. FDR's time doesn't fit in. MCCArthyism was the closest |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:36 PM |
#145 |
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you dont need gitmo for that argument. we have secret prisGons now all over the world, in |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:31 PM |
#134 |
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Then why did the OP insist on using Gitmo? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:37 PM |
#147 |
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who cares? why are you fighting the OP with such a vehemence? |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:39 PM |
#150 |
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Did you read the OP? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:56 PM |
#165 |
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not even close. here they are: |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:26 PM |
#127 |
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I know what they are. Which do you think aren't met? |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:29 PM |
#132 |
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here you go |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:34 PM |
#140 |
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5, 6 and 10 all are YES by virtue of Japanese internment |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:40 PM |
#154 |
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this is hopeless. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 03:37 PM |
#146 |
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There are also similarities between * and Gandhi |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:03 PM |
#95 |
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Last weekend I went to best buys |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:50 PM |
#77 |
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I was just about to agree with you |
cali |
Oct-14-07 02:51 PM |
#78 |
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In their mind, ignoring the differences is keeping an open mind |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:13 PM |
#108 |
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Sadly when you do that, you completely toss critical thinking |
cali |
Oct-14-07 03:16 PM |
#116 |
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Yes, but if allowed to continue could get worse in its abuses. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 08:39 PM |
#220 |
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Actually, not to pick nits or count angels or whatever, that's |
cali |
Oct-14-07 02:45 PM |
#68 |
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Do you mean the OP or the author, Wolf? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:16 PM |
#114 |
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No, I meant Wolf. Read Stiglitz' review. It's in post #63 |
cali |
Oct-14-07 03:19 PM |
#119 |
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No, Wolf was pretty clear about it |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 03:43 PM |
#157 |
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That's interesting. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:13 PM |
#177 |
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"getting their rocks off" is a good way to put it |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:46 PM |
#190 |
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Denial is a survival strategy, not a great one, but there it is. |
sfexpat2000 |
Oct-14-07 01:25 PM |
#33 |
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I agree with him, the Interwebs are a tool |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 02:45 PM |
#69 |
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Here. A review of "The Shock Doctrine" |
cali |
Oct-14-07 02:41 PM |
#63 |
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The modern totalitarian Empire superficially looks nothing like Germany... |
JackRiddler |
Oct-14-07 02:58 PM |
#90 |
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I agree to a point--arguing it's not like Germany's decline indicates knowledge, not ignorance |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:02 PM |
#94 |
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People are always stuck with comparisons... |
JackRiddler |
Oct-14-07 03:14 PM |
#110 |
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There are valid historical analogies. One just needs to acknowledge the capacity for error |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:18 PM |
#117 |
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I would rephrase that slightly. |
Swamp Rat |
Oct-14-07 03:23 PM |
#123 |
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like this? |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 03:40 PM |
#152 |
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There is nothing wrong with comparison |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:03 PM |
#167 |
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Agreed but... |
JackRiddler |
Oct-14-07 05:33 PM |
#203 |
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I actually agree with much of your post |
cali |
Oct-14-07 03:14 PM |
#109 |
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to argue "it's nothing exactly like nazi germany" is to argue 2 empires must be 100% identical |
NuttyFluffers |
Oct-14-07 11:02 PM |
#224 |
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kick |
spanone |
Oct-14-07 03:14 PM |
#111 |
| -
"Cassandra's Curse" |
proud patriot |
Oct-14-07 03:24 PM |
#126 |
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Most of this thread turned into arguing about different flavors of fascism, ignoring CURRENT THREATS |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 03:27 PM |
#129 |
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The fascists love when a bad argument marginalizes a real, crucial warning |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:29 PM |
#133 |
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the bad arguers are the ones doing the marginalizing |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 03:34 PM |
#138 |
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Uncritical illogical thinking got us into this mess. You would use the same to get us out? |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 03:42 PM |
#156 |
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Nice strawman. No thanks. |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:04 PM |
#168 |
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Go look in a mirror. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:26 PM |
#185 |
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How is that a strawman? |
jpgray |
Oct-14-07 06:02 PM |
#205 |
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smug putdowns? Did you read the OP? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:01 PM |
#166 |
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this bs is a waste of time |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:05 PM |
#169 |
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So being "in denial" was meant to flatter? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:07 PM |
#170 |
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go rack up your posts somewhere else. buzz away, little fly. |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:11 PM |
#175 |
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I'm not going anywhere |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:46 PM |
#191 |
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I actually think they are AFRAID |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:31 PM |
#135 |
| -
the alarms been goin off for a long time |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 03:35 PM |
#144 |
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And that is the hardest step |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:39 PM |
#151 |
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that's the only step, unless one is a hypocrite. Not a hard choice. |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 03:40 PM |
#155 |
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It should't be a hard choice |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:45 PM |
#158 |
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The elders in my family are afraid now. because of the mccarthy era. because |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:50 PM |
#161 |
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Some of my family friends came from Europe |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 03:54 PM |
#164 |
| -
BINGO! Maybe that is why they deny. Accepting this thesis means that we have to do |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:48 PM |
#160 |
| -
if only |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:08 PM |
#171 |
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You don't need to accept the thesis to have been fighting |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:21 PM |
#182 |
| -
so you agree fighting about it is pointless |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:38 PM |
#187 |
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no. I don't. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:43 PM |
#189 |
| -
fighting is a pointless waste of time |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 05:29 PM |
#202 |
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Straw man |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:08 PM |
#172 |
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What astonishing hubris and ignorance tied up in one |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:10 PM |
#174 |
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funny how those who want to fight here are some of the meanest, just like to fight |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:12 PM |
#176 |
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No, it's not just about liking to fight. it's about caring passionately |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:16 PM |
#179 |
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the meanness speaks for itself |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:21 PM |
#181 |
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That's an opinion. Not a fact. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:25 PM |
#184 |
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what's wrong with |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:37 PM |
#186 |
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I did that initially in her first thread |
cali |
Oct-14-07 04:41 PM |
#188 |
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then don't bother |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:51 PM |
#195 |
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Ignoring the differences is "open-minded"; Considering the differences is "in denial" |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:48 PM |
#192 |
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another stupid strawman question. don't put your assumptions on me |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:50 PM |
#194 |
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Is that all you have? |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:53 PM |
#197 |
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no, i've got your number |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:54 PM |
#199 |
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Feel free to call anytime, day or nite |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 05:01 PM |
#200 |
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LOL. |
cali |
Oct-14-07 06:25 PM |
#210 |
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um. you got it backwards. The point is not to amke the same mistake the German people made. |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 03:46 PM |
#159 |
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no |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:09 PM |
#173 |
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Ok what amazes me is the incredible need to still |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 04:16 PM |
#178 |
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if we discuss instead of argue, maybe sumthin to think about is whether we have free&fair elections |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:19 PM |
#180 |
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Trust me, we tried |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 04:22 PM |
#183 |
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You only tried to avoid responding to criticism |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:50 PM |
#193 |
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flaming, baiting, stalking, attacking, taking fights from thread to thread...................... |
omega minimo |
Oct-14-07 04:53 PM |
#196 |
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An excellent description of the OP |
cuke |
Oct-14-07 04:54 PM |
#198 |
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bingo again omega! |
robinlynne |
Oct-14-07 05:07 PM |
#201 |
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There's plenty of space between being in denial & being Chicken Little. |
Blue-Jay |
Oct-14-07 05:35 PM |
#204 |
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Actually anything that has to do with AUTHORITARIAN models |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 06:05 PM |
#206 |
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Who is trying to silence you? |
Blue-Jay |
Oct-14-07 06:08 PM |
#207 |
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No she doesn't . |
cali |
Oct-14-07 06:23 PM |
#209 |
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I do, but it is the amount of thread hijacks that these guys |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 06:33 PM |
#211 |
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I think |
Blue-Jay |
Oct-14-07 06:47 PM |
#213 |
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It goes well beyond disagreement |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 07:03 PM |
#215 |
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*snort* |
cali |
Oct-14-07 07:07 PM |
#216 |
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the details of the fabric's pattern has nothing to do with the pattern of the dress |
NuttyFluffers |
Oct-14-07 11:15 PM |
#226 |
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The coincidental incidentals I posted in another thread. |
mmonk |
Oct-14-07 08:52 PM |
#223 |
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Yep, that is a good compilation |
nadinbrzezinski |
Oct-14-07 11:13 PM |
#225 |
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