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128. Exactly, with climate change water availability may shift.
Edited on Thu Oct-11-07 07:08 PM by seasat
States that are "awash" in water could find themselves in a drought too. I grew up in GA and Atlanta is undergoing such a severe drought that they've banned outdoor water use. It is a topic that needs to be discussed.

You have water shortages in some larger cities due to the higher population density. If you want a lower energy society one of the proposals in to increase population density so that there is a lower need for transportation. You have two environmental principles that are in conflict with each other, water usage and population density.

Here's also some numbers on why the premise of the article is ridiculous. There is no way that Richardson is suggesting an Alaskan pipeline from Nevada to the Great Lakes. The Alaskan pipeline pumps 42 million gallons of oil per day and was built at a cost of $8 billion in 1997. The Alaskan pipeline covers 800 miles. It is approximately 1700 miles from Las Vegas to Chicago. Based on 1990 numbers, Nevada Residences use 204 gallons of water per day. Using the volume of the Alaskan pipeline it would only cover just over 204,000 people in Nevada per day. Plus, being twice the distance and converting it to 2007 dollars, it would cost $48 billion dollars to build. That would be a cost of $234,000 per resident covered. Now I know that a water pipeline would be cheaper in construction than an oil pipeline but it would cost significantly more in right of way purchases than going across unpopulated Alaskan tundra. It is not economically feasible and Richardson is not proposing taking Great Lakes water.
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  -New Mexico governor wants Michigan's water LisaM  Oct-11-07 02:46 PM   #0 
  - We have to drink somehow  Pawel K   Oct-11-07 02:49 PM   #1 
  - The get it from Lake Tahoe  LisaM   Oct-11-07 02:52 PM   #3 
  - Shit happens, we are where we are.  Pawel K   Oct-11-07 03:06 PM   #16 
  - We do NOT have the water to spare  1gobluedem   Oct-11-07 03:10 PM   #17 
  - How much water is in the great lakes...  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:11 PM   #19 
     - Not enough and too much n/t  1gobluedem   Oct-11-07 03:17 PM   #24 
        - Well if you're so sure...  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:21 PM   #29 
           - As I stated above  1gobluedem   Oct-11-07 03:39 PM   #46 
              - And that's got nothing to due with New Mexico.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 05:54 PM   #123 
                 - Why do you need to?  1gobluedem   Oct-11-07 07:36 PM   #133 
  - You sure as shootin' can leave NM.  Romulox   Oct-11-07 03:15 PM   #22 
  - My lifestyle is perfectly fine, thanks for asking.  Pawel K   Oct-11-07 03:22 PM   #31 
     - Then tell your governor to put his hand back into HIS OWN pocket. nt  Romulox   Oct-11-07 03:44 PM   #51 
     - You live in a place that hasn't got enough water to sustain the people who live there.  Tesha   Oct-11-07 05:12 PM   #105 
        - All of our lives are *FUNDAMENTALLY* out of balance with nature.  SimpleTrend   Oct-15-07 01:06 PM   #169 
  - Then they should take it from the South  Clark2008   Oct-11-07 03:17 PM   #25 
  - You do? Both Atlanta and Raleigh are facing imminent shortages  KamaAina   Oct-11-07 03:52 PM   #59 
  - No, we don't. We have a complete ban on outdoor water use in north GA.  piedmont   Oct-11-07 05:32 PM   #115 
  - Who is the "We"? Speak for yourself.  bamalib   Oct-11-07 07:24 PM   #131 
     - I'm in North Georgia and part of the "We."  RebelOne   Oct-15-07 01:18 PM   #171 
  - They don't have it to spare, that's the whole point  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:27 PM   #39 
  - And if thats the case, fine.  Pawel K   Oct-11-07 03:35 PM   #44 
     - Well there's not  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:42 PM   #48 
     - Is that all the water you guys have in the north west, just the great lakes?  Pawel K   Oct-11-07 03:43 PM   #50 
        - Northwest? Do you know where the Great Lakes are??? nt  Romulox   Oct-11-07 03:45 PM   #52 
        - No I have no clue  Pawel K   Oct-11-07 04:33 PM   #84 
        - The Great Lakes are not in the Northwest  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:48 PM   #54 
     - Tell that to the Canadians. It's their water, too.  amandabeech   Oct-11-07 03:49 PM   #56 
     - Why do you think it would stop with NM?  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 05:23 PM   #110 
        - Did I say I thought it would?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 05:45 PM   #120 
           - I wasn't talking to you. n/t  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 05:51 PM   #121 
              - OK, nevermind then.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 05:52 PM   #122 
  - You get the sun, we get the water  gollygee   Oct-11-07 05:07 PM   #102 
  - You have got to be shitting me.  LeftyMom   Oct-14-07 10:22 PM   #163 
  - Then move to a place with water.  theHandpuppet   Oct-11-07 03:48 PM   #55 
  - Good point - golf courses use excessive amounts of water  LisaM   Oct-11-07 04:00 PM   #67 
  - It's not about drinking water  Truth2Tell   Oct-11-07 04:59 PM   #99 
  - Do you have a watered lawn? do you play on local golf courses? If you do you...  Odin2005   Oct-11-07 05:11 PM   #104 
  - No, I dont play golf.  Pawel K   Oct-12-07 08:33 AM   #151 
     - you water your lawn?  LisaM   Oct-12-07 11:50 AM   #152 
        - Oh please, spare me the hippie bullshit. nt  Pawel K   Oct-12-07 12:00 PM   #155 
           - Seriously, you must be high  LisaM   Oct-12-07 12:02 PM   #157 
  - If you grew too big for your water supply, you'd better shrink. nt  piedmont   Oct-11-07 05:27 PM   #112 
  - So stop planting golf courses on sand and move back to the Midwest.  BadgerLaw2010   Oct-11-07 09:02 PM   #138 
  - so move to where the water is.  QuestionAll   Oct-11-07 09:05 PM   #141 
  - How about living somewhere where the water is?  JVS   Oct-11-07 11:54 PM   #148 
  - Richardson wants states to discuss water policy  heraldsqure   Oct-11-07 02:51 PM   #2 
  - Why should they?  LisaM   Oct-11-07 02:53 PM   #4 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-11-07 03:23 PM   #32 
  - What water issues??? Here in Michigan we have plenty!  Romulox   Oct-11-07 03:13 PM   #20 
  - Exactly, with climate change water availability may shift.  seasat   Oct-11-07 06:30 PM   #128 
  - he's not proposing taking great lakes water.....yet. This is how it starts.  bbgrunt   Oct-14-07 10:39 PM   #165 
  - He can go to hell. Drain the Great Lakes? Or is the water going to be piped back?  BadgerLaw2010   Oct-11-07 09:03 PM   #139 
  - Not just 'no', but 'HELL NO!'  Romulox   Oct-11-07 02:53 PM   #5 
  - EXCELLENT POINT  LisaM   Oct-11-07 02:55 PM   #7 
  - I'll second that!!  theHandpuppet   Oct-11-07 03:52 PM   #58 
  - That's a great idea  1gobluedem   Oct-11-07 03:16 PM   #23 
  - Boo-Ya!  Clark2008   Oct-11-07 03:18 PM   #28 
  - Ooh,I like that one  sufrommich   Oct-11-07 04:56 PM   #95 
  - Ought humans to live in desert regions?  WinkyDink   Oct-11-07 02:54 PM   #6 
  - Ought they live in Michigan?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 02:56 PM   #8 
     - That's where the precious liquid stuff of life is--so, yes. They ought.  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 02:59 PM   #10 
     - It ain't liquidy when it's fifty below.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:03 PM   #13 
        - Well, the consequences of having enough fresh water  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:15 PM   #21 
        - That's what axes are for.  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 03:18 PM   #26 
        - And getting water from somewhere else is what pipes are for.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:22 PM   #30 
        - And yet, somehow the adaptable folks from Michigan manage to survive  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 03:23 PM   #33 
        - Michigan's completely self sufficient?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:25 PM   #36 
           - I'm guessing not H2O.  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 03:26 PM   #38 
              - No.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:28 PM   #41 
                 - Petroleum is drilled, refined, bought and sold by private industry.  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 03:39 PM   #45 
                 - My relatives in Michigan, where I grew up, aren't interested in a business contract  amandabeech   Oct-11-07 04:16 PM   #79 
                 - There is petroleum here as well natural gas for heating in Michigan  1gobluedem   Oct-11-07 03:42 PM   #49 
        - Are you for oil pipelines too?  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:25 PM   #37 
        - Uh, generally, yes.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:27 PM   #40 
           - Let me ask what you do to cut back energy (and water) usage  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:41 PM   #47 
              - Take navy showers  Thothmes   Oct-15-07 08:16 AM   #166 
        - good, stay the fuck down there, and keep your paws off the great lakes. n/t  Scout   Oct-11-07 03:59 PM   #64 
        - And matches  Clark2008   Oct-11-07 03:24 PM   #34 
           - And kettles.  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 03:25 PM   #35 
        - you mean I dont drink Lake Michigan water in winter?  LSK   Oct-11-07 03:59 PM   #63 
        - I mean Michigan sucks.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:00 PM   #66 
           - uhh, Michigan is just across the lake from me  LSK   Oct-11-07 04:06 PM   #72 
           - Isn't Michigan just across the lake from itself?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:10 PM   #75 
              - its down the road 3 blocks, take a left, turn right at the mail box  LSK   Oct-11-07 04:19 PM   #80 
           - Please explain that.  NutmegYankee   Oct-11-07 05:16 PM   #107 
              - People have been living in New Mexico for thousands of years too.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 05:54 PM   #124 
                 - And they haven't needed Great Lakes water, so problem solved.  spoony   Oct-12-07 02:07 AM   #150 
                 - And they got along fine. Guess they weren't using as much water.  BadgerLaw2010   Oct-12-07 11:55 AM   #153 
        - Do you imagine our lakes  sufrommich   Oct-11-07 04:57 PM   #96 
           - Do you imagine things don't live in New Mexico?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:58 PM   #98 
              - Did I say that?  sufrommich   Oct-11-07 05:15 PM   #106 
                 - Don't bother.  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 05:32 PM   #116 
                 - Did I say the entire lake freezes?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 05:43 PM   #119 
                    - You said"it ain't liquidy",which I assumed  sufrommich   Oct-11-07 05:56 PM   #125 
                       - The entire lake isn't at -50 below.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 07:25 PM   #132 
     - Well, duh---who is desperate for WATER here?  WinkyDink   Oct-11-07 05:25 PM   #111 
     - Yes. The Midwest is a normal temperate, wet, fertile climate. Very habitable.  BadgerLaw2010   Oct-11-07 09:04 PM   #140 
  - Just an idea...  silverweb   Oct-11-07 02:59 PM   #9 
  - Probably easier to desalinate saline aquifers  XemaSab   Oct-11-07 04:07 PM   #73 
  - I don't know.  silverweb   Oct-11-07 04:53 PM   #94 
     - In Santa Barbara they found it easier to hook up to State water than keep the desal plant running  XemaSab   Oct-11-07 04:58 PM   #97 
        - For now.  silverweb   Oct-11-07 05:16 PM   #108 
  - Water shortages are a major global issue, so the smart....  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 05:39 PM   #117 
     - Exactly what I'm thinking.  silverweb   Oct-11-07 06:29 PM   #127 
  - Sometimes you just have to admit that any further growth must be curtailed, because  wienerdoggie   Oct-11-07 03:00 PM   #11 
  - This same sort of idiocy was spouted a couple of decades ago  IDemo   Oct-11-07 03:03 PM   #12 
  - The water wars may yet result in the break-up of the union.  hedgehog   Oct-11-07 03:03 PM   #14 
  - sorry no can do  madrchsod   Oct-11-07 03:05 PM   #15 
  - I'd sell water to NM. At $80 dollars/barrel  Romulox   Oct-11-07 03:10 PM   #18 
     - Well, that would certainly cure  sufrommich   Oct-11-07 05:17 PM   #109 
     - The problem is...  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 05:42 PM   #118 
        - I've got no problem with that. It should go to the highest bidder, just like NM's oil  Romulox   Oct-11-07 11:40 PM   #145 
  - No.  PDJane   Oct-11-07 03:18 PM   #27 
  - Oh I find that hard to believe.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:29 PM   #42 
     - I presume that you aren't serious  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:54 PM   #62 
     - Well sure it's got a big moraine.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 03:59 PM   #65 
        - But it points to the fact that it's a finite resource n/t  LisaM   Oct-11-07 04:02 PM   #68 
           - It also points to the fact that it's a renewable resource.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:10 PM   #76 
              - After the next Ice Age?  LisaM   Oct-11-07 04:13 PM   #78 
                 - No, thanks to precipitation.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:24 PM   #82 
                    - Oh, fishing, shipping, commercial recreation, wind farms  LisaM   Oct-11-07 04:32 PM   #83 
                       - And this proposal would have a significant impact on those?  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:34 PM   #85 
                          - Tinkering with natural resources is always a crapshoot  LisaM   Oct-11-07 04:43 PM   #86 
                             - Yes, the Great Lakes get affected by things.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:44 PM   #87 
                                - I think probably both  LisaM   Oct-11-07 04:52 PM   #92 
                                   - I only drink whiskey.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:52 PM   #93 
     - It's not all glacier melt, no.  PDJane   Oct-11-07 04:02 PM   #69 
     - Great Lakes water  IDemo   Oct-11-07 04:05 PM   #70 
        - Lets do the math.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:22 PM   #81 
           - What you're missing is the depth of the river.  PDJane   Oct-11-07 04:47 PM   #88 
              - Mmm, no I'm not.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 04:49 PM   #90 
  - It's so cute to watch people from different states fight each other.  originalpckelly   Oct-11-07 03:34 PM   #43 
  - Michigan is actually less cold than some other northern states  LisaM   Oct-11-07 03:49 PM   #57 
  - both your descriptions are incorrect, in my opinion ....  Scout   Oct-11-07 04:05 PM   #71 
  - "one's colder than a witch's thorax"  marmar   Oct-11-07 05:00 PM   #100 
  - Indeed. It's too bad they don't play each other in football.  KamaAina   Oct-11-07 07:39 PM   #134 
  - Great Lakes diversion enrages all Great Lakes states. Fuck the Southwest.  BadgerLaw2010   Oct-11-07 08:58 PM   #137 
  - Well, let him walk over to Michigan with a big bucket and a sponge.  HypnoToad   Oct-11-07 03:46 PM   #53 
  - Lake Superior was down a foot from last year  LSK   Oct-11-07 03:53 PM   #60 
  - desert rats, stay away from our Great Lakes water! n/t  Scout   Oct-11-07 03:54 PM   #61 
  - Sort of like what they've done in California?  XemaSab   Oct-11-07 04:09 PM   #74 
  - What about everyone who wants our (Louisiana) natural gas and oil  RGBolen   Oct-11-07 04:11 PM   #77 
  - BS hit piece. He did not say that.  seasat   Oct-11-07 04:47 PM   #89 
  - "States like Wisconsin are awash in water"  malakai2   Oct-11-07 10:44 PM   #143 
  - Perhaps now people are realizing the lack of logic of building large cities in the DESERT?!!?  marmar   Oct-11-07 04:51 PM   #91 
  - I had a political science teacher  sufrommich   Oct-11-07 05:05 PM   #101 
  - Maybe the SW should quit wasting water on golf courses and pretty green lawns...  Odin2005   Oct-11-07 05:10 PM   #103 
  - Agreed.  Hell Hath No Fury   Oct-11-07 05:30 PM   #113 
  - I live in a Great Lakes state and I collect rainwater to use in my...  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 11:33 PM   #144 
  - and lush green sodded lawns & fountains & imported garden plants  SoCalDem   Oct-11-07 05:31 PM   #114 
     - ROFLMAO!!! What morans!!!  Odin2005   Oct-11-07 07:09 PM   #130 
  - Well, Richardson certainly has connections to people who....  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 06:15 PM   #126 
  - Those aren't the ties you need to worry about.  seasat   Oct-11-07 06:47 PM   #129 
     - Yet, he's pointing out how much "extra" water we have up here...  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 11:46 PM   #146 
     - He wants reclamation to be a Cabinet level position  LisaM   Oct-12-07 12:00 PM   #156 
  - Peak oil and gas will stop this shit.  Bushwick Bill   Oct-11-07 08:16 PM   #135 
  - Fuck him, our lakes.  BadgerLaw2010   Oct-11-07 08:57 PM   #136 
  - Good thing we don't think the same way about our oil and gas.  TX-RAT   Oct-15-07 01:17 PM   #170 
  - All your great lake are belong to us!  fujiyama   Oct-11-07 09:43 PM   #142 
  - ......  Zookeeper   Oct-11-07 11:53 PM   #147 
     - Tough... Don't blame us. Blame yourself or God.  Romulox   Oct-12-07 12:09 AM   #149 
  - Dallas wants Oklahoma's water too  Horse with no Name   Oct-12-07 11:59 AM   #154 
  - State hate people  loser_user   Oct-14-07 08:36 PM   #158 
  - here's a bold idea: don't live in the desert if you want water  mark414   Oct-14-07 08:38 PM   #159 
  - Many years ago  Blue_In_AK   Oct-14-07 08:55 PM   #160 
  - Many years ago  Thothmes   Oct-15-07 08:18 AM   #167 
  - Perhaps  CHIMO   Oct-14-07 09:05 PM   #161 
  - Privatize the Great water like a commodity...let the free market decide  entanglement   Oct-14-07 09:57 PM   #162 
  - if they want water, tell them to go to the golf courses and stand under a sprinkler.  bbgrunt   Oct-14-07 10:25 PM   #164 
  - Uh, Bill?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-15-07 08:37 AM   #168 

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